Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[633Squadron]

So. No wee nippie on the telly for a while.

Return to usual form.

I suppose she can request a rerun next week.

[N7GTX]

you may have spoken too soon. She wont be amused one bit.

The Daily Telegraph frontpage headline for tomorrow's paper is:

'Gove: No new Scottish referendum before next election'

Krankie best get her piggy bank out and repay all those numpties who donated £600k to the cause.

[aparna]

It's in the fine print, that it will take a while for Scotland 'to recover from COVID’.

Gove

'Ian's a good friend. He enjoys being in Westminster so much, he probably wouldn't want a referendum anytime soon.'

Edited by aparna on Wednesday 23 June 00:33

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Sir John Curtice says Brexit is no longer increasing support for Scottish independence and claims neither side is ready for another vote, yet
the SNP hoodwinked minions still trust her word that that she wants another vote ASAP, that carrot on a stick technique really does work
on the gullible eh.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/sir-john-cu...

[irc]

Sturgeon accused Gove of " sneering, arrogant condescension "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/23/ni...

Pot calling kettle?

[anonymous-user]

Is Michael Gove regarded as Scottish in Scotland? He always seems almost the stereotype of the ghastly English tory, like Harry Enfield's Tory boy.

[jesusbuiltmycar]

Newarch said:

Is Michael Gove regarded as Scottish in Scotland? He always seems almost the stereotype of the ghastly English tory, like Harry Enfield's Tory boy.

Seems like a rather an odd thing to say?

wikipedia said:

Graeme Andrew Logan was born on 26 August 1967. His biological mother, whom he originally believed to have been an unmarried Edinburgh student, was in fact a 23-year-old cookery demonstrator. Gove regarded his birthplace as Edinburgh until it was revealed in a biography in 2019 that he was born in a maternity hospital in Fonthill Road, Aberdeen. Logan was put into care soon after he was born. At the age of four months he was adopted by a Labour-supporting couple in Aberdeen, Ernest and Christine Gove, by whom he was brought up. After he joined the Gove family, Logan's name was changed to Michael Andrew Gove.[3] His adoptive father, Ernest, ran a fish processing business and his adoptive mother, Christine, was a lab assistant at the University of Aberdeen, before working at the Aberdeen School for the Deaf.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Well this is fairly massive, Krankie going to be raging at this one.

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/140803471...

[Ridgemont]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Well this is fairly massive, Krankie going to be raging at this one.

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/140803471...

That genuinely is good news...

[Evercross]

Ridgemont said:

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Well this is fairly massive, Krankie going to be raging at this one.

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/140803471...

That genuinely is good news...

In a proper Westernised democracy where judiciary and legislature are independent of each other I'd say that was an interesting turn of events, but in Scotland where the chief prosecutor and senior legal adviser to the Government is one-and-the-same person and is appointed by the First Minister I think we can disturbingly say we know where this is going.

JC's best hope is to bring to prominence the very real and (unusual for a so-called democracy) concerning use of criminal law to silence political criticism. This isn't Belarus after all, and while the disinterested populace might not think this is significant, the international community to which Nippy looks to legitimise Scotland's claim for independence will certainly take note.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Interesting piece by Lecturer Angus Robinson on why the SNP fundamentally rely on secrecy.......

https://themajority.scot/2021/06/23/deep-dark-secr...

[Cold]

For some reason the hashtag #LongSturgeon is trending on social media today.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Evercross said:

In a proper Westernised democracy where judiciary and legislature are independent of each other I'd say that was an interesting turn of events, but in Scotland where the chief prosecutor and senior legal adviser to the Government is one-and-the-same person and is appointed by the First Minister I think we can disturbingly say we know where this is going.

JC's best hope is to bring to prominence the very real and (unusual for a so-called democracy) concerning use of criminal law to silence political criticism. This isn't Belarus after all, and while the disinterested populace might not think this is significant, the international community to which Nippy looks to legitimise Scotland's claim for independence will certainly take note.

Article about in The Herald about it...

" If, after receiving a report from the police, the Crown Office decide to prosecute Ms Millar, it promises to be a “cause célèbre” because of her national and international supporters.

The respected American legal analyst and attorney Jonathan Turley, the Shapiro Chair of Public interest Law at George Washington University, said Ms Millar’s case is part of a “free speech fight brewing in Scotland”.

He added: “The effort by some to criminally charge advocates [of free speech] like Millar is to silence rather than to respond to opposing viewpoints.

“Such speech limitations tend to grow with time. Once groups taste the ability to silence others, it becomes an insatiable appetite for censorship and criminalization of speech.”

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19396347.s...

[irc]

Newarch said:

Is Michael Gove regarded as Scottish in Scotland? He always seems almost the stereotype of the ghastly English tory, like Harry Enfield's Tory boy.

Scottish? Of course. He will be qualified to vote if there is ever another indyref as the franchise will likely include those born in Scotland but living in rUK.

We don't all sound like Rab C Nesbitt and contrary to what the SNP there is a variety of viewpoints and "types".

Edited by irc on Thursday 24th June 16:15

[Roderick Spode]

Chief Mammy suggesting that alleged Scottish lower population infection rates are causing the latest spike in infection rates...

Chief Mammy said:

After record new Covid positive tests logged in Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon tells #FMQs that Scotland's lower infection rates during past 15 months mean more people are now vulnerable to catching coronavirus due to "lower population immunity"

I thought she didn't believe in the effectiveness of herd immunity?

https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/14080295930...

[irc]

Roderick Spode said:

I thought she didn't believe in the effectiveness of herd immunity?

https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/14080295930...

Not herd, population immunity. Only Toarees believe in herd immunity. We have population immunity here. Its more Scottish, open, and friendly.

[633Squadron]

Another stunning success of the Scottish Govt.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/one-woman-dead-and...

[Roderick Spode]

633Squadron said:

Another stunning success of the Scottish Govt.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/one-woman-dead-and...

Article said:

“In December 2020 an NHS board conducted its annual invasive cervical cancers audit and discovered that a very small number of women had developed cervical cancer after being wrongly excluded from the screening programme following a hysterectomy carried out over 20 years ago.

A tragic situation for those affected. One must ask though - if it's an annual rigorous audit, and the situation has been present for circa 20 years, what happened during the audits prior to 2020?

[A.J.M]

Audits come second to independence.

[paulrockliffe]

Greedydog said:

alangla said:

Greedydog said:

alangla said:

Greedydog said:

sherman said:

Braveheart300 said:

I'm flying down to Manchester next week to pick up a new car....somehow i don't think anyone will be stopping me at either Airport!

Iirc that is allowed on the list of essential travel reasons not that the ban is in anyway enforceable. Just make sure you have your appointment paperwork or invoice with you just in case.

Why would he need to have an appointment or paperwork? As I understand Manchester Airport is included in Greater Manchester, the restriction, assuming Sturgeon's comments were accurate, is limited to the city of Manchester. Where he goes thereafter is no one's business.

Bizarrely, despite its location, Ringway appears to be a civil parish within the City of Manchester - Heald Green, to the north, is in Stockport, so would be exempt.

Whole thing is just a mess, but I suspect they were somewhat emboldened by the lack of push-back from the other areas they previously banned travel to. I suspect they're just surprised that Burnham has stood up to them more than anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringway,_Greater_Man...

I stand corrected. My understanding that it wasn't actually within the city boundary.

Found a better map - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Manchester#/... - the city is a really funny shape, with the "centre" actually in the north of the council area and the airport in Bucklow at the very southern tip. I didn't know this either until I looked it up earlier.

Thanks. Every day is a school day!

All this is irrelevant. Scots Law has no jurisdiction in Manchester, English Law says a Scotsman can go to Manchester.

It's impossible to break that silly Scots Law because if you're in Scotland, where it has jurisdiction, you're clearly not in Manchester. Once you're not in Scotland, the law doesn't apply.