45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 12)
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Just reading that Giuliani has been suspend as a lawyer in New York.
Will try and find a link that isn't Twitter.
Edited
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rudolph-giuliani-...
Trump's new appointment already on the case
Will try and find a link that isn't Twitter.
Edited
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rudolph-giuliani-...
Trump's new appointment already on the case
Edited by JeffreyD on Thursday 24th June 16:44
BadBull said:
Pretty meaningless. Does he even practice? Is he still Trumps lawyer?
He's been suspended because of his actions as a practising lawyer, promoting the big lie in court. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/disbar-...Byker28i said:
OAN calling for the execution of those trying to take away and affect the voting in american elections, trying to further incite and provote violence in support of trumps Big Lie.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1407925243000365057
One suspects they mean to address their fake voting claims, trumps Big Lie, but so far it's trump, his lawyers, and his supporters that are all guilty of trying to overthrow a valid election. OAN needs to think this through...
I was reading about this a little while ago. https://twitter.com/i/status/1407925243000365057
One suspects they mean to address their fake voting claims, trumps Big Lie, but so far it's trump, his lawyers, and his supporters that are all guilty of trying to overthrow a valid election. OAN needs to think this through...
OAN have come full circle, I guess they need some ‘shock jocks’ to keep their numbers up. This, however, is astonishing.
All it needs is for one good ‘ol boy to to take them literally and it starts all over again.
HM-2 said:
More DeSantis news- Florida has just signed into law a bill mandating that professors, faculty staff and students at public universities register their political views with the state as part of a drive to legally "enforce" "intellectual diversity" in education. Institutions that are judged by the Republican-led legislature to have not provided satisfactory responses being stripped or funding.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bi...
Of course, it's the religious right pushing for the legislation under the guise of "intellectual diversity", when in reality their own words suggest the primary aim and interest is to preserve and maintain Christian right-wing traditionalism and orthodoxy. Next stop? Grades K-12.
Welcome to the "land of the free". The state has no right in knowing your political affiliation except for when you cast your vote - this stinks of potential future witch hunts and the logical next step of replacing Democrat voters with Republican voters whenever appointing vacancies.https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bi...
Of course, it's the religious right pushing for the legislation under the guise of "intellectual diversity", when in reality their own words suggest the primary aim and interest is to preserve and maintain Christian right-wing traditionalism and orthodoxy. Next stop? Grades K-12.
Margaret Atwoods Gilead was a dystopian future USA for most readers, but is seemingly a future preferred state for some Republicans.
The problem with this act though, is that all it takes is for every person in the system to claim to be a republican and the data becomes useless. You can ask people what their affiliation is, but you can't force them to tell you the truth. Expect McCarthy-esque witch hunts to follow on shortly.
Some Republicans really are s
ts.Florida firefighter caught in insurrection attempt video saying "they can't arrest everyone" has been arrested.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/seven-charged-f...
I think the Florida is the state with the most people arrested
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/seven-charged-f...
I think the Florida is the state with the most people arrested
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Every time I look at Guiliani I just scratch my head and wonder how it came to this for him.
Totally deserved but what may be behind it seems quite sad really.
I agree with this; I can recall when he was a credible and apparently effective lawyer. Sad indeed that he has been washed up in Trumps dirty laundry Totally deserved but what may be behind it seems quite sad really.
Pupp said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Every time I look at Guiliani I just scratch my head and wonder how it came to this for him.
Totally deserved but what may be behind it seems quite sad really.
I agree with this; I can recall when he was a credible and apparently effective lawyer. Sad indeed that he has been washed up in Trumps dirty laundry Totally deserved but what may be behind it seems quite sad really.
NY Times has the story here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/nyregion/giulia...
Is it OK if we quote from the court document? I'm assuming this is OK because PH has taken direct quotes from the Porsche press release in this article
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I typed these out from the 33 page court document...
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/read-g...
Giuliani Decision: "We conclude that there is uncontroverted evidence that respondent communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign."
"When those false statements are made by an attorney, it also erodes the public's confidence in the integrity of attorneys admitted to our bar and damages the profession's role as a crucial source of reliable information."
"We conclude that respondent's conduct immediately threatens the public interest and warrants interim suspension from the practice of law, pending further proceedings before the Attorney Grievance Committee."
"We find that there is evidence of continuing misconduct, the underlying offense is incredibly serious, and the uncontroverted misconduct in itself will likely result in substantial permanent sanctions at the conclusion of these disciplinary proceedings."
Great, now let them go after all the other trump lawyers, specifically Jenna Ellis & Sydney Kraken Powell
Edit: Giuliani's defence was by trying to claim first amendment rights, but that surely doesn't work if he's first sworn " I solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"
It's a suspension as well. Giuliani’s lawyers told the press that they believe that he will be reinstated as “a valued member of the legal profession that he has served so well.” Remember he is still under multiple investigations for his Ukraine dealings, and pushing trumps Big Lie is other courts
Also George Conway on TV said to Anderson Cooper.
"he's never going to see the inside of a courtroom again, other than as a defendant."
Video of the interview here: https://youtu.be/DqEn8PyjNGA
Edit 2: Just noticed on Page 32
"It is further Ordered that Mr. Giuliani is commanded to desist and refrain from the practice of law in any form...and respondent is forbidden to give another an opinion as to the law or its application or advice in relation thereto."
So he can't go onto TV or Steve Bannons podcast etc and spout his usual rubbish?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/nyregion/giulia...
Is it OK if we quote from the court document? I'm assuming this is OK because PH has taken direct quotes from the Porsche press release in this article
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I typed these out from the 33 page court document...
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/read-g...
Giuliani Decision: "We conclude that there is uncontroverted evidence that respondent communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign."
"When those false statements are made by an attorney, it also erodes the public's confidence in the integrity of attorneys admitted to our bar and damages the profession's role as a crucial source of reliable information."
"We conclude that respondent's conduct immediately threatens the public interest and warrants interim suspension from the practice of law, pending further proceedings before the Attorney Grievance Committee."
"We find that there is evidence of continuing misconduct, the underlying offense is incredibly serious, and the uncontroverted misconduct in itself will likely result in substantial permanent sanctions at the conclusion of these disciplinary proceedings."
Great, now let them go after all the other trump lawyers, specifically Jenna Ellis & Sydney Kraken Powell
Edit: Giuliani's defence was by trying to claim first amendment rights, but that surely doesn't work if he's first sworn " I solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"
It's a suspension as well. Giuliani’s lawyers told the press that they believe that he will be reinstated as “a valued member of the legal profession that he has served so well.” Remember he is still under multiple investigations for his Ukraine dealings, and pushing trumps Big Lie is other courts
Also George Conway on TV said to Anderson Cooper.
"he's never going to see the inside of a courtroom again, other than as a defendant."
Video of the interview here: https://youtu.be/DqEn8PyjNGA
Edit 2: Just noticed on Page 32
"It is further Ordered that Mr. Giuliani is commanded to desist and refrain from the practice of law in any form...and respondent is forbidden to give another an opinion as to the law or its application or advice in relation thereto."
So he can't go onto TV or Steve Bannons podcast etc and spout his usual rubbish?
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 25th June 08:21
Still the arrests keep coming, this time Geoffrey Sills from Mechanicsville Virginia who “repeatedly struck multiple police officers with an extended baton while using a strobe light, apparently to try to disorient the officers."
The District of Columbia AG press release about this is here:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/virginia-man-ar...
Geoffrey Sills was known to SeditionHunters as EmoNazi (FBI153).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4roRQ3WEAA8jMc?format...
AG Merrick has released a statement, over 500 arrests now, and the 100th arrest of assaulting a law enforcement officer (FBI release said 465 and 130)
His statement is available to read here:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-...
The District of Columbia AG press release about this is here:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/virginia-man-ar...
Geoffrey Sills was known to SeditionHunters as EmoNazi (FBI153).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4roRQ3WEAA8jMc?format...
AG Merrick has released a statement, over 500 arrests now, and the 100th arrest of assaulting a law enforcement officer (FBI release said 465 and 130)
His statement is available to read here:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-...
Welcome to 45-Fest on 3rd-4th July, a “celebration” to be held on Independence Day at the Sarasota County Fairgrounds, billed as a chance to “celebrate the accomplishments of " the former guy...
The event will be co-sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida, which is chaired by state Senator Joe Gruters of Sarasota. Gruters was one of the original Florida supporters of trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449074-all-d...
trumps baby blimp will be flying
The event will be co-sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida, which is chaired by state Senator Joe Gruters of Sarasota. Gruters was one of the original Florida supporters of trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449074-all-d...
trumps baby blimp will be flying
Arizona Fraudit news - more costs incurred.
The Arizona Secretary of State, the state’s chief elections officer, told Maricopa County that it should replace all voting machines that were turned over to Cyber Ninjas for the audit, citing “grave concerns regarding the security and integrity” of the machines that would prevent them from being used in future elections.
She said that no election official or observer was allowed to be present when Cyber Ninjas and its subcontractors “examined” the machines and that they had to sue to be given access to observe the recount. Democratic and Republican observers were not allowed at each table to observe the counting, unlike in real election audits
Remember the votes and machines are now in a barn in Montana on the property of the Cyber Ninjas owner
The Arizona Secretary of State, the state’s chief elections officer, told Maricopa County that it should replace all voting machines that were turned over to Cyber Ninjas for the audit, citing “grave concerns regarding the security and integrity” of the machines that would prevent them from being used in future elections.
She said that no election official or observer was allowed to be present when Cyber Ninjas and its subcontractors “examined” the machines and that they had to sue to be given access to observe the recount. Democratic and Republican observers were not allowed at each table to observe the counting, unlike in real election audits
Remember the votes and machines are now in a barn in Montana on the property of the Cyber Ninjas owner
House democrats have launched an investigation into trump weaponisation of the DOJ to try to get dirt on Democratic members, following the revelation that they investigated House Intelligence committee members, their families and Staff at the time they were looking into the criminal activity of trump.
https://www.rawstory.com/house-investigation-under...
https://www.rawstory.com/house-investigation-under...
Byker28i said:
Arizona Fraudit news - more costs incurred.
The Arizona Secretary of State, the state’s chief elections officer, told Maricopa County that it should replace all voting machines that were turned over to Cyber Ninjas for the audit, citing “grave concerns regarding the security and integrity” of the machines that would prevent them from being used in future elections.
She said that no election official or observer was allowed to be present when Cyber Ninjas and its subcontractors “examined” the machines and that they had to sue to be given access to observe the recount. Democratic and Republican observers were not allowed at each table to observe the counting, unlike in real election audits
Remember the votes and machines are now in a barn in Montana on the property of the Cyber Ninjas owner
Utterly extraordinary that that was allowed to happen in the first place. The Arizona Secretary of State, the state’s chief elections officer, told Maricopa County that it should replace all voting machines that were turned over to Cyber Ninjas for the audit, citing “grave concerns regarding the security and integrity” of the machines that would prevent them from being used in future elections.
She said that no election official or observer was allowed to be present when Cyber Ninjas and its subcontractors “examined” the machines and that they had to sue to be given access to observe the recount. Democratic and Republican observers were not allowed at each table to observe the counting, unlike in real election audits
Remember the votes and machines are now in a barn in Montana on the property of the Cyber Ninjas owner
Byker28i said:
Welcome to 45-Fest on 3rd-4th July, a “celebration” to be held on Independence Day at the Sarasota County Fairgrounds, billed as a chance to “celebrate the accomplishments of " the former guy...
The event will be co-sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida, which is chaired by state Senator Joe Gruters of Sarasota. Gruters was one of the original Florida supporters of trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449074-all-d...
trumps baby blimp will be flying
Link fail there - that's for the 2020 one. Here's news of the latest: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/23/t...The event will be co-sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida, which is chaired by state Senator Joe Gruters of Sarasota. Gruters was one of the original Florida supporters of trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449074-all-d...
trumps baby blimp will be flying
Byker28i said:
I typed these out from the 33 page court document...
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/read-g...
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/read-g...
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Copyright doesn't care *how* you copied the content.However, laws and Court decisions are AFAIK always in the public domain, not copyrighted. I guess we're still waiting for some sensible statements on Rule 16...
silentbrown said:
Byker28i said:
I typed these out from the 33 page court document...
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/read-g...
<snip>
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/read-g...
<snip>
Copyright doesn't care *how* you copied the content.However, laws and Court decisions are AFAIK always in the public domain, not copyrighted. I guess we're still waiting for some sensible statements on Rule 16...
It's a bit of a mess and I'm trying to steer around some Mods interpretations on Rule 16 (i.e. it doesn't mention a ban, only content removal
) whilst trying to give some information on the story. When the court (or someone?) turns around and states something about someone, one should be able to quote what was said as an accurate record. Should I only have said Guiliani was accused of lying, rather than:
"We conclude that there is uncontroverted evidence that respondent communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign."
Same as the Conway quote, a tiny snippet followed by the actual video of the interview...
I'm trying hard to be compliant
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