The EU v UK vaccine tussle
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frisbee said:
It isn't as simple as first come first served.
If this company has made a contractual agreement with the EU, or anyone, promising to supply a certain number of doses then it is contractually obliged to deliver them.
Ultimately where the factories are physically located will be the deciding factor.
It can be that simple, if in fact the first contract specifies that all production from a specific facility must be used to satisfy that contract. The La Reppublica interview posted above seems to suggest precisely this. That being the case, the EU was later to the party, it's got to live with the manufacturing scaleup consequences. Which in the UK, seem to have been dealt with earlier and under less pressure. If this company has made a contractual agreement with the EU, or anyone, promising to supply a certain number of doses then it is contractually obliged to deliver them.
Ultimately where the factories are physically located will be the deciding factor.
Whoozit said:
frisbee said:
It isn't as simple as first come first served.
If this company has made a contractual agreement with the EU, or anyone, promising to supply a certain number of doses then it is contractually obliged to deliver them.
Ultimately where the factories are physically located will be the deciding factor.
It can be that simple, if in fact the first contract specifies that all production from a specific facility must be used to satisfy that contract. The La Reppublica interview posted above seems to suggest precisely this. That being the case, the EU was later to the party, it's got to live with the manufacturing scaleup consequences. Which in the UK, seem to have been dealt with earlier and under less pressure. If this company has made a contractual agreement with the EU, or anyone, promising to supply a certain number of doses then it is contractually obliged to deliver them.
Ultimately where the factories are physically located will be the deciding factor.
1) not being approved
2) leaks to German newspapers stating the vaccine may never get approved by the EMA due to questions of its efficacy on the elderly.
They really are f
king idiots. Glad we’re out.don'tbesilly said:
This isn't going well!
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Boris seemed to be remarkably unconcerned about this during today's press conference.
That seems to back up the stories I've heard about the UK already sitting on enough bulk vaccine to do all the over-50's, and the "delays" are in the finishing and batch approval process.
That seemed to be backed up by a statement earlier from the AZ chap that the UK would get 30m people vaccinated by March.
That seems to back up the stories I've heard about the UK already sitting on enough bulk vaccine to do all the over-50's, and the "delays" are in the finishing and batch approval process.
That seemed to be backed up by a statement earlier from the AZ chap that the UK would get 30m people vaccinated by March.
clockworks said:
Boris seemed to be remarkably unconcerned about this during today's press conference.
That seems to back up the stories I've heard about the UK already sitting on enough bulk vaccine to do all the over-50's, and the "delays" are in the finishing and batch approval process.
That seemed to be backed up by a statement earlier from the AZ chap that the UK would get 30m people vaccinated by March.
I've read similar on a couple of other forums.That seems to back up the stories I've heard about the UK already sitting on enough bulk vaccine to do all the over-50's, and the "delays" are in the finishing and batch approval process.
That seemed to be backed up by a statement earlier from the AZ chap that the UK would get 30m people vaccinated by March.
All "I know people who know" stuff so quite possible they're walts but they're professional forums and aren't renowned for that kind of thing.
I think the Government tone has been about right so far.
Lotobear said:
The schadenfreude is pretty strong here.
I won’t deny it 
Reminded of a Lucretius quote that is inscribed on Mussenden Temple on the Antrim coastal walk (as requested by Lord Bristol for his amusement, given the regular raging storms of that coast):
‘Tis pleasant, safely to behold from shore The rolling ship, and hear the tempest roar.'
Serves the arrogant f
kers right.Ridgemont said:
I won’t deny it
Reminded of a Lucretius quote that is inscribed on Mussenden Temple on the Antrim coastal walk (as requested by Lord Bristol for his amusement, given the regular raging storms of that coast):
‘Tis pleasant, safely to behold from shore The rolling ship, and hear the tempest roar.'
Serves the arrogant fkers right.
Never a more apt example of the rule 'what goes around comes around', I can't help but feel just a little warm and fuzzy. I wonder what the soccer hooligan is thinking right now, along with Claude the soak, and the floppy haired Aston fan?Reminded of a Lucretius quote that is inscribed on Mussenden Temple on the Antrim coastal walk (as requested by Lord Bristol for his amusement, given the regular raging storms of that coast):
‘Tis pleasant, safely to behold from shore The rolling ship, and hear the tempest roar.'
Serves the arrogant f
kers right.The EU really are looking like a bunch of selfish tts with this. Demanding that AZ breach another contract to meet theirs. Not only that but breach the U.K. contract which is working fine because the U.K. pored a lot of money in to the production way before the vaccine was ready to make sure everything would work a d the EU didn’t.
Which, however, has no impact on the UKs supply. That is down to the government signing contracts early. The EUs behaviour is disgusting when Oxford and AZ are trying to ensure equitable world wide distribution, with zero profit on the current production, and the EU are threatening all of this.
ts with this. Demanding that AZ breach another contract to meet theirs. Not only that but breach the U.K. contract which is working fine because the U.K. pored a lot of money in to the production way before the vaccine was ready to make sure everything would work a d the EU didn’t.anonymous said:
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We did develop the vaccine. Oxford University developed it. AZ licensed it and took it to mass production. AZ helped by agreeing to the licensing before it was ready, with stipulations about selling at cost and getting production facilities ready with no guarantee of a vaccine, but Oxford did the development.Which, however, has no impact on the UKs supply. That is down to the government signing contracts early. The EUs behaviour is disgusting when Oxford and AZ are trying to ensure equitable world wide distribution, with zero profit on the current production, and the EU are threatening all of this.
anonymous said:
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The first 4 paragraphs of that article are quite extraordinary and smacks of 'we are more important than you are'. I can understand everyone wants the vaccine but they delayed signing on the dotted line and I would guess that AZ are gearing up in the EU in the same way they did in the UK problems and all.It isn't like ordering it next day on Amazon, I suspect there is a lot of political bluster going on because they are finding the contract terms politically inconvenient.
Lotobear said:
Ridgemont said:
I won’t deny it
Reminded of a Lucretius quote that is inscribed on Mussenden Temple on the Antrim coastal walk (as requested by Lord Bristol for his amusement, given the regular raging storms of that coast):
‘Tis pleasant, safely to behold from shore The rolling ship, and hear the tempest roar.'
Serves the arrogant fkers right.
Never a more apt example of the rule 'what goes around comes around', I can't help but feel just a little warm and fuzzy. I wonder what the soccer hooligan is thinking right now, along with Claude the soak, and the floppy haired Aston fan?Reminded of a Lucretius quote that is inscribed on Mussenden Temple on the Antrim coastal walk (as requested by Lord Bristol for his amusement, given the regular raging storms of that coast):
‘Tis pleasant, safely to behold from shore The rolling ship, and hear the tempest roar.'
Serves the arrogant f
kers right.Problem is, none of it is really funny in reality.
pquinn said:
Mr_J said:
Did I read that the EU are proposing limiting the export of vaccine made in the EU to "protect" their citizens but at the same time are demanding that AZ must export vaccine made in the UK to the EU?
Do as I say but not as I do.
Yes - the hypocrisy is stunning. Do as I say but not as I do.
chrispmartha said:
I think Brexiteers are fair to have their moment of shadenfreude, remainers have had the Lionss share of it with the Fishing industry, Roger Daltry et al recently.
Problem is, none of it is really funny in reality.
No you are right. At the end of the day it’s lives lost.Problem is, none of it is really funny in reality.
And the EU as well as Boris Johnson who will have to live with that.
Edited by Ridgemont on Wednesday 27th January 20:16
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