The EU v UK vaccine tussle

[Murph7355]

jsf said:

Von de layen with more nutty nonsense.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-08...

Just proves that all politicians have the absolute ability to be morons, and hence the less of them we have in our lives, the better off we are.

Keep proving the point Ursula. I thought JCJ was the master at it, but you're doing well.

[anonymous-user]

Mrr T said:

Jordan210 said:

The great EU now upset Russia.

"EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia - after medical regulator warned using its Sputnik V jab is 'like playing Russian roulette'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9341605/E...

Any connection between the DM story and reality is pure coincidence. But frothers have to froth.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210308-eu-...

What am I missing?

[768]

[RedWhiteMonkey]

I am no scientist but personally I'm not sure I'd want the Russian vaccine, it did seem rather rushed. I definitely wouldn't want the Chinese one. Happy enough to be receiving AZ one next week.

[Wombat3]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

I am no scientist but personally I'm not sure I'd want the Russian vaccine, it did seem rather rushed. I definitely wouldn't want the Chinese one. Happy enough to be receiving AZ one next week.

The Russian vaccine has been peer reviewed & generally thought of as good. Their process in approvals last year was plainly a but flakey but that does not change the efficacy of it. Like most of them it is using tried & tested technology - in this case the same as the AZ vaccine.

It is going through EMA approval now & they are also working with the guys in Oxford to further develop it & looking at hybrid vaccination i.e. 1 x Oxford + 1 x Sputnik to see if that improves immunity even further.

I think I 'd bet quite a lot that its was safe and effective.

The Chinese vaccine is an innoculation & is even more basic, i.e. its simply a shot of dead Covid virus - again a technique that goes back to the very beginning of vaccination/innoculation. It apppears to be not as effective as AZ/ Pfizer etc BUT its still as effective as many jabs you will get for other things.

[RedWhiteMonkey]

Wombat3 said:

The Russian vaccine has been peer reviewed & generally thought of as good. Their process in approvals last year was plainly a but flakey but that does not change the efficacy of it. Like most of them it is using tried & tested technology - in this case the same as the AZ vaccine.

It is going through EMA approval now & they are also working with the guys in Oxford to further develop it & looking at hybrid vaccination i.e. 1 x Oxford + 1 x Sputnik to see if that improves immunity even further.

I think I 'd bet quite a lot that its was safe and effective.

The Chinese vaccine is an innoculation & is even more basic, i.e. its simply a shot of dead Covid virus - again a technique that goes back to the very beginning of vaccination/innoculation. It apppears to be not as effective as AZ/ Pfizer etc BUT its still as effective as many jabs you will get for other things.

You are no doubt correct, just something about the speed it was developed last year seems a bit sus to me. But, the more vacinnation possibilities the better I suppose.

[Wombat3]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

Wombat3 said:

The Russian vaccine has been peer reviewed & generally thought of as good. Their process in approvals last year was plainly a but flakey but that does not change the efficacy of it. Like most of them it is using tried & tested technology - in this case the same as the AZ vaccine.

It is going through EMA approval now & they are also working with the guys in Oxford to further develop it & looking at hybrid vaccination i.e. 1 x Oxford + 1 x Sputnik to see if that improves immunity even further.

I think I 'd bet quite a lot that its was safe and effective.

The Chinese vaccine is an innoculation & is even more basic, i.e. its simply a shot of dead Covid virus - again a technique that goes back to the very beginning of vaccination/innoculation. It apppears to be not as effective as AZ/ Pfizer etc BUT its still as effective as many jabs you will get for other things.

You are no doubt correct, just something about the speed it was developed last year seems a bit sus to me. But, the more vacinnation possibilities the better I suppose.

The AZ vaccine was designed in a weekend. The Science of it is seemingly not that complicated (and Sputnik is fundamentally the same tech).

Mass producing it is of course a different problem (as the EU have now found out!).

[Digga]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

I am no scientist but personally I'm not sure I'd want the Russian vaccine, it did seem rather rushed. I definitely wouldn't want the Chinese one. Happy enough to be receiving AZ one next week.

While the Americans spent time and effort working out - very cleverly - how to get ballpoint pens to work in space, the Russians merely elected to take pencils on their space missions instead.

At least there's guaranteed to be less "Bill Gates" in their vaccine.

[Earthdweller]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

Wombat3 said:

The Russian vaccine has been peer reviewed & generally thought of as good. Their process in approvals last year was plainly a but flakey but that does not change the efficacy of it. Like most of them it is using tried & tested technology - in this case the same as the AZ vaccine.

It is going through EMA approval now & they are also working with the guys in Oxford to further develop it & looking at hybrid vaccination i.e. 1 x Oxford + 1 x Sputnik to see if that improves immunity even further.

I think I 'd bet quite a lot that its was safe and effective.

The Chinese vaccine is an innoculation & is even more basic, i.e. its simply a shot of dead Covid virus - again a technique that goes back to the very beginning of vaccination/innoculation. It apppears to be not as effective as AZ/ Pfizer etc BUT its still as effective as many jabs you will get for other things.

You are no doubt correct, just something about the speed it was developed last year seems a bit sus to me. But, the more vacinnation possibilities the better I suppose.

The vaccine may work perfectly ... but I’d be far less concerned that the AZ or other western vaccine wasn’t going to cause unforeseen problems down the line

Any of them “could” do of course

[Earthdweller]

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

Jordan210 said:

The great EU now upset Russia.

"EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia - after medical regulator warned using its Sputnik V jab is 'like playing Russian roulette'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9341605/E...

Any connection between the DM story and reality is pure coincidence. But frothers have to froth.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210308-eu-...

What am I missing?

A story about the vaccine on FR24 perhaps ?

[Mrr T]

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

Jordan210 said:

The great EU now upset Russia.

"EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia - after medical regulator warned using its Sputnik V jab is 'like playing Russian roulette'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9341605/E...

Any connection between the DM story and reality is pure coincidence. But frothers have to froth.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210308-eu-...

What am I missing?

DM headline maybe?

EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia

The France 24 story is clear there is no row between the EU and Russia. Indeed, the Sputnik vaccine has been approved by several EU counties and data is being reviewed by the EU agency. This is a discussion between the head of the Austrian agency, who happens to also be chair of the EU agency, as to whether Austria should go it alone or rely on a common approach. But that would be a boring story when the DM can get frothers frothing.

Edited by Mrr T on Tuesday 9th March 12:06

[Pan Pan Pan]

Wombat3 said:

RedWhiteMonkey said:

Wombat3 said:

The Russian vaccine has been peer reviewed & generally thought of as good. Their process in approvals last year was plainly a but flakey but that does not change the efficacy of it. Like most of them it is using tried & tested technology - in this case the same as the AZ vaccine.

It is going through EMA approval now & they are also working with the guys in Oxford to further develop it & looking at hybrid vaccination i.e. 1 x Oxford + 1 x Sputnik to see if that improves immunity even further.

I think I 'd bet quite a lot that its was safe and effective.

The Chinese vaccine is an innoculation & is even more basic, i.e. its simply a shot of dead Covid virus - again a technique that goes back to the very beginning of vaccination/innoculation. It apppears to be not as effective as AZ/ Pfizer etc BUT its still as effective as many jabs you will get for other things.

You are no doubt correct, just something about the speed it was developed last year seems a bit sus to me. But, the more vacinnation possibilities the better I suppose.

The AZ vaccine was designed in a weekend. The Science of it is seemingly not that complicated (and Sputnik is fundamentally the same tech).

Mass producing it is of course a different problem (as the EU have now found out!).

Could it be that it is all the legal hoops any new vaccine `usually' has to go through that make the introduction of new vaccines `usually' so slow. the devlopment can be quite fast, but the legal side a true nightmare.
We all know how slow legal practice, can take to just produce a single letter.

[RedWhiteMonkey]

Digga said:

While the Americans spent time and effort working out - very cleverly - how to get ballpoint pens to work in space, the Russians merely elected to take pencils on their space missions instead.

Sadly, that's an urban myth.

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

While the Americans spent time and effort working out - very cleverly - how to get ballpoint pens to work in space, the Russians merely elected to take pencils on their space missions instead.

At least there's guaranteed to be less "Bill Gates" in their vaccine.

Good ole fake news

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or...

[anonymous-user]

Mrr T said:

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

Jordan210 said:

The great EU now upset Russia.

"EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia - after medical regulator warned using its Sputnik V jab is 'like playing Russian roulette'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9341605/E...

Any connection between the DM story and reality is pure coincidence. But frothers have to froth.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210308-eu-...

What am I missing?

DM headline maybe?

EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia

The France 24 story is clear there is no row between the EU and Russia. Indeed, the Sputnik vaccine has been approved by several EU counties and data is being reviewed by the EU agency. This is a discussion between the head of the Austrian agency, who happens to also be chair of the EU agency, as to whether Austria should go it alone or rely on a common approach. But that would be a boring story when the DM can get frothers frothing.

Edited by Mrr T on Tuesday 9th March 12:06

The only person I see frothing is you.

eta the France 24 headline "EU medical official warns of Sputnik jab 'Russian roulette'"... doesn't say anything about Austria until you read down further so they no different headline than the DM then.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 9th March 12:20

[Mrr T]

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

Jordan210 said:

The great EU now upset Russia.

"EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia - after medical regulator warned using its Sputnik V jab is 'like playing Russian roulette'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9341605/E...

Any connection between the DM story and reality is pure coincidence. But frothers have to froth.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210308-eu-...

What am I missing?

DM headline maybe?

EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia

The France 24 story is clear there is no row between the EU and Russia. Indeed, the Sputnik vaccine has been approved by several EU counties and data is being reviewed by the EU agency. This is a discussion between the head of the Austrian agency, who happens to also be chair of the EU agency, as to whether Austria should go it alone or rely on a common approach. But that would be a boring story when the DM can get frothers frothing.

Edited by Mrr T on Tuesday 9th March 12:06

The only person I see frothing is you.

eta the France 24 headline "EU medical official warns of Sputnik jab 'Russian roulette'"... doesn't say anything about Austria until you read down further so they no different headline than the DM then.

Edited by catweasle on Tuesday 9th March 12:20

You do know Russian Roulette has nothing to do with Russia?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette

[Nimby]

Digga said:

While the Americans spent time and effort working out - very cleverly - how to get ballpoint pens to work in space, the Russians merely elected to take pencils on their space missions instead.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-write-stuff/.

[anonymous-user]

Mrr T said:

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

Jordan210 said:

The great EU now upset Russia.

"EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia - after medical regulator warned using its Sputnik V jab is 'like playing Russian roulette'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9341605/E...

Any connection between the DM story and reality is pure coincidence. But frothers have to froth.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210308-eu-...

What am I missing?

DM headline maybe?

EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia

The France 24 story is clear there is no row between the EU and Russia. Indeed, the Sputnik vaccine has been approved by several EU counties and data is being reviewed by the EU agency. This is a discussion between the head of the Austrian agency, who happens to also be chair of the EU agency, as to whether Austria should go it alone or rely on a common approach. But that would be a boring story when the DM can get frothers frothing.

Edited by Mrr T on Tuesday 9th March 12:06

The only person I see frothing is you.

eta the France 24 headline "EU medical official warns of Sputnik jab 'Russian roulette'"... doesn't say anything about Austria until you read down further so they no different headline than the DM then.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 9th March 12:20

You do know Russian Roulette has nothing to do with Russia?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette

True to form a wiki link!........never been more apt although there seems to be a few stars missing;

[Digga]

Nimby said:

Digga said:

While the Americans spent time and effort working out - very cleverly - how to get ballpoint pens to work in space, the Russians merely elected to take pencils on their space missions instead.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-write-stuff/.

I meant to add an icon like the one above to the post. Along with the.

Before anyone else jumps in to 'correct' me, I know the bit about Bill Gates being in the non-Russian vaccines is also utter crap.

[Mrr T]

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

catweasle said:

Mrr T said:

Jordan210 said:

The great EU now upset Russia.

"EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia - after medical regulator warned using its Sputnik V jab is 'like playing Russian roulette'"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9341605/E...

Any connection between the DM story and reality is pure coincidence. But frothers have to froth.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210308-eu-...

What am I missing?

DM headline maybe?

EU embroiled in fresh vaccine row - this time with Russia

The France 24 story is clear there is no row between the EU and Russia. Indeed, the Sputnik vaccine has been approved by several EU counties and data is being reviewed by the EU agency. This is a discussion between the head of the Austrian agency, who happens to also be chair of the EU agency, as to whether Austria should go it alone or rely on a common approach. But that would be a boring story when the DM can get frothers frothing.

Edited by Mrr T on Tuesday 9th March 12:06

The only person I see frothing is you.

eta the France 24 headline "EU medical official warns of Sputnik jab 'Russian roulette'"... doesn't say anything about Austria until you read down further so they no different headline than the DM then.

Edited by catweasle on Tuesday 9th March 12:20

You do know Russian Roulette has nothing to do with Russia?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette

True to form a wiki link!........never been more apt although there seems to be a few stars missing;

Sarcasm from some one who does not know Russian roulette is nothing to do with Russia. Classic.