CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[Terminator X]

So at the start of the pandemic 4 out of 5 deaths were 70+

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/discover/2020/06/coronavi...

And now today it still seems to be 4 out of 5 so barely changed over the entire period.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...



Old people you are old, be very careful out there from almost anything.

TX.

[Harrison Bergeron]

Terminator X said:

So at the start of the pandemic 4 out of 5 deaths were 70+

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/discover/2020/06/coronavi...

And now today it still seems to be 4 out of 5 so barely changed over the entire period.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

https://thumbsnap.com/8D1MGXHv

Old people you are old, be very careful out there from almost anything.

TX.

Awwww.st. Looks like we were wrong. Not like there was a bunch of people on PH calling the MSM reports from Italy complete st last March.
/s


Not having a pop at you Terminator, just the useless media.

[sl0wlane]

scottyp123 said:

Where do these tests come from every day? I drive to a fair few different places and I've come a cross a good number of testing sites and I've yet to see anyone in them, just a bunch of guys in yellow jackets standing around. Even before schools went back the figures were well into the many hundreds of thousands of tests each day.

It must be the same people getting tested day after day, who would consent to that though, I have no plans to have a swab shoved down my throat even the once, who in their right mind would do that.

I have just watched a video of an "audit" of a test site and I know there aren't that many people that like the sort of chap that goes round filming people just for the hell of it, but I think the irony was well and truly lost on the slightly confrontational covid marshal. Not a punter in site and all the hi-viz guys stood around with their hands in their pockets and he says to the lad filming "don't you have anything better to do"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0ypjbLTh94

I’m wondering if when they say “tests conducted” they actually mean “LFT tests sent out in the post”?

Being that LFT are often self administered, and a good number of the tests are now LFT... how could they know they have actually been conducted - surely all they can know is how many have been sent out?

A friend works in a care-home and has a box load of unused LFT tests - are those included? If I used one today nobody would know.

[Jordan210]

sl0wlane said:

I’m wondering if when they say “tests conducted” they actually mean “LFT tests sent out in the post”?

Being that LFT are often self administered, and a good number of the tests are now LFT... how could they know they have actually been conducted - surely all they can know is how many have been sent out?

A friend works in a care-home and has a box load of unused LFT tests - are those included? If I used one today nobody would know.

Partner has some for work. You have to submit the code on the test to the NHS website. So would assume its done via that.

[Zoobeef]

Harrison Bergeron said:

Terminator X said:

So at the start of the pandemic 4 out of 5 deaths were 70+

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/discover/2020/06/coronavi...

And now today it still seems to be 4 out of 5 so barely changed over the entire period.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

https://thumbsnap.com/8D1MGXHv

Old people you are old, be very careful out there from almost anything.

TX.

Awwww.st. Looks like we were wrong. Not like there was a bunch of people on PH calling the MSM reports from Italy complete st last March.
/s


Not having a pop at you Terminator, just the useless media.

I think the correct response is "yeah but IF it killed the younger population then you'd change your tune".

[sl0wlane]

Jordan210 said:

Partner has some for work. You have to submit the code on the test to the NHS website. So would assume its done via that.

Ahhh. Fair enough.

Then, those numbers are made up of millions of people testing themselves over and over again almost daily.

Which is rather different to what some might assume as you could easily think it was people tested.

[Graveworm]

isaldiri said:

As I said that's vaccine efficacy not reduction in transmission.......

Whilst it will reduce transmission, I agree; but the comment was in answer to your question "What sterilising effect"?.

[paulw123]

TheJimi said:

Pete102 said:

Almost 1.5 million tests yesterday.

And the money train keeps on chugging......£5 a test?

Some people / companies are making an absolutely colossal amount of money off the back of this thing.

As this is a government contract I assume the test is rather mire than £5

[Graveworm]

Terminator X said:

So at the start of the pandemic 4 out of 5 deaths were 70+

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/discover/2020/06/coronavi...

And now today it still seems to be 4 out of 5 so barely changed over the entire period.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...



Old people you are old, be very careful out there from almost anything.

TX.

Over 70% of deaths, every year, are in the over 70s. If something increased the chance of death, equally across all age groups, there would still be over 70% of deaths in the over 70s. So in terms of Covid, increasing your chance of death, it's only slightly higher in the over 70's than the under 70s.

[djc206]

ant1973 said:

I don't disagree but I only really look at excess death as the barometer for likely impact of covid. I think that it's undeniably had a substantial effect in the last 12 months. For the "god's waiting room" argument to be correct, we should see a decline in excess deaths to below the average this year.

We should if it wasn’t for the near shutdown of the NHS that’ll see plenty of people off for conditions that could have been treated. I might be wrong but I think excess deaths will be high for a couple of years as those victims of a one trick pony health service pass away.

[Tony427]

If people want to end this madness we should just all refuse to be tested.

Stop playing their stupid games that enables them to keep us in lockdown.

No tests, no cases ( even false positives), no cases, no disease.

Listening to the dumb and dumber today whilst I went around some sites in the Midlands and they seem to think that the public are still following their silly rules. I can assure them they are not.

The roads were really busy, in fact there were quite a few traffic jams in the Midlands on my 220 mile jaunt. No masks all day, no social distancing with customers and staff and plenty of bikers ie motor variety, about enjoying the sunshine. Apart from the shut pubs it was a normal, sunny day. Perfect for trying out the new car purchased and picked up from South Wales this weekend.

I could have broken a few restrictions in two seperate UK countries that day.

Definitely looking forward to the weekend and mothers day.

[jameswills]

As above, we’re only still in it because the majority still want it. The hoops people are jumping through with testing testing again, needless vaccinations, masks and everything else beggars belief. Were their lives so meaningless and boring before, that this new acceptance of life is somehow actually enjoyable?

I am truly perplexed.

[johnboy1975]

The lack of coverage is beginning to annoy me.

Covid is either "bad news" or good news". When it was bad news it was headline news, more restrictions, blah blah blah.

Now it's good news (generally, nothing specific) there is hardly a mention. No real push for lifting restrictions. No mention of other countries unlocking. Was the vaccine pass debated yesterday in HoC? (Prob got 30 seconds yesterday to be fair - but I didn't see it?). A bit on schools going back, but mainly it's all Meghan or Piers bks filler

I know "bad news sells". But I would argue that this particular "good news" would sell too. People are desperate for it. Are they even aware of it?

Instead, we are seemingly happy with meeting 1 person outside, and looking forward to groups of 6 meeting in gardens from March 29th, going for a haircut or outdoor pint on April 12th, before finally being allowed back inside pubs or mixing indoors (rule of 6) on May 17th

[jameswills]

Honestly, the whole thing is crazy. I’m starting to believe I’m living in an alternate universe

[tigamilla]

Apologies if I've missed it, but what's triggered #sackwhitty to trend on Twitter? I mean it's great, but why?

[anonymous-user]

tigamilla said:

Apologies if I've missed it, but what's triggered #sackwhitty to trend on Twitter? I mean it's great, but why?

People are probably sick of being told the boogyman is living permanently behind the sofa.

[johnboy1975]

tigamilla said:

Apologies if I've missed it, but what's triggered #sackwhitty to trend on Twitter? I mean it's great, but why?

He was up before a committee today (prob on youtube....) about ongoing restrictions

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56334902

"This isn't over" is the gist of it, ie deaths and hospitalisations are going to explode this summer. (Despite seasonality and the vaccine). Unless he just means cases? In which case, so what?

From the article:
Models predict 30k deaths by summer 2022 - seems plausible- 80% effective vaccine, gives 25k ish, plus 5k unvaccinated. (However, that's not a model its maths, a model would need to take into account other effects such as transmission post vaccination)

How did they get it so badly wrong with the "20k would be a good outcome" in March 2020? Seems hopelessly unrealistic, unless they thought lockdowns would work. In which case, come out and say they dont.

Edited by johnboy1975 on Tuesday 9th March 22:40

[Ashfordian]

Some recent thoughts on the vaccine that I am struggling with

It is said that if you have had Covid and you get the vaccine you get worse side effects which is your immune response taking place. They also say the side effects to the second jab are worse than the first, again this is the bodies immune response.

Does that mean any booster 3rd/4th/5th jabs(for mutations) are going to induce even worse side effects?

What if you get Covid after the 2nd jab, is your immune response going to be worse?


Why is my logic wrong on this? Is the immune response just going to get stronger with every jab and the consequences of that happening?

[isaldiri]

Ashfordian said:

Some recent thoughts on the vaccine that I am struggling with

It is said that if you have had Covid and you get the vaccine you get worse side effects which is your immune response taking place. They also say the side effects to the second jab are worse than the first, again this is the bodies immune response.

Does that mean any booster 3rd/4th/5th jabs(for mutations) are going to induce even worse side effects?

What if you get Covid after the 2nd jab, is your immune response going to be worse?


Why is my logic wrong on this? Is the immune response just going to get stronger with every jab and the consequences of that happening?

I think the theory is that with vaccination you are essentially effectively provoking the immune response to prime itself to respond to the virus by deliberate exposure so you get a slightly worse initial bout of side effects and that later subsequent infection can be dealt with without triggering the full works of your system going nuts to try to get rid of the virus but being more easily able to do so having had prior exposure.

[Terminator X]

Zoobeef said:

I think the correct response is "yeah but IF it killed the younger population then you'd change your tune".

You do appreciate that the older you are the more likely you are to die of anything at all?

TX.