NO JAB NO JOB

[Taylor James]

This page is worth keeping an eye on. I think we can expect to see the subject of jabs crop up before long.

https://committees.parliament.uk/work/218/the-gove...

[CraigyMc]

Alucidnation said:

CrutyRammers said:

If I'm not much mistaken, this is now the nastiest thread on PH. Well done all.

Nah, the other still wins, although having said that, this one is attracting all the banned members from that thread.

It's a bit like watching a zit-popping video. You are disgusted by it and there's no good reason to watch, but we're all here...

[otolith]

Lily the Pink said:

otolith said:

Or, and hear me out here, this might sound crazy - we have an actual pandemic of an actual virus which actually kills people, particularly elderly people, and our governments are trying, with various degrees of competence, to manage the situation with as little death and suffering as they can?

I won't argue with any of that. I think you're in favour of vaccine passports (which is I think the gist of this thread's subject) - if so, how do you make the connection between your view point expressed above and a desire to see passports introduced ? Is it simply "every little helps" ?

Hmm, no, I haven't expressed an opinion on vaccine passports. I expressed an opinion on the kind of people who are refusing to be vaccinated and whether I would want to employ them.

For a start, I don't think selectively opening up parts of society to those who have been vaccinated is a fair option before it has been offered to everyone.

Provided that we can get good enough vaccine coverage for Covid to cease to be a problem, I don't really see a case for legal restrictions based on vaccination status.

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

If other countries want to require jabs for access, again, that's up to them.

If the NHS has records (it does) I don't see a problem with people being able to request their proof of vaccination.

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

Lily the Pink said:

otolith said:

Or, and hear me out here, this might sound crazy - we have an actual pandemic of an actual virus which actually kills people, particularly elderly people, and our governments are trying, with various degrees of competence, to manage the situation with as little death and suffering as they can?

I won't argue with any of that. I think you're in favour of vaccine passports (which is I think the gist of this thread's subject) - if so, how do you make the connection between your view point expressed above and a desire to see passports introduced ? Is it simply "every little helps" ?

Hmm, no, I haven't expressed an opinion on vaccine passports. I expressed an opinion on the kind of people who are refusing to be vaccinated and whether I would want to employ them.

For a start, I don't think selectively opening up parts of society to those who have been vaccinated is a fair option before it has been offered to everyone.

Provided that we can get good enough vaccine coverage for Covid to cease to be a problem, I don't really see a case for legal restrictions based on vaccination status.

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

If other countries want to require jabs for access, again, that's up to them.

If the NHS has records (it does) I don't see a problem with people being able to request their proof of vaccination.

Ah, a brave new world awaits

[otolith]

purplepenguin said:

Ah, a brave new world awaits

Meh. Lots of snowflakery about nothing.

[captain_cynic]

otolith said:

purplepenguin said:

Ah, a brave new world awaits

Meh. Lots of snowflakery about nothing.

Yep.

Vaccine "passports" won't ever exist because 1. It will require too much international cooperation from countries which have too many different wants and; 2. The yellow "certificate of vaccination" already exiata. I will expect any COVID-19 stamp to be put in there under the ones I already have for my TB an Yellow Fever stamps.

The fear mongering by anti-vaxxers is weak, impotent and utterly fabricated.

[g4ry13]

captain_cynic said:

otolith said:

purplepenguin said:

Ah, a brave new world awaits

Meh. Lots of snowflakery about nothing.

Yep.

Vaccine "passports" won't ever exist because 1. It will require too much international cooperation from countries which have too many different wants and; 2. The yellow "certificate of vaccination" already exiata. I will expect any COVID-19 stamp to be put in there under the ones I already have for my TB an Yellow Fever stamps.

The fear mongering by anti-vaxxers is weak, impotent and utterly fabricated.

Prepare to eat your words.

[pquinn]

otolith said:

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

Just to clarify, where does the ability for a business to pick and choose customers based on health or related status start and stop?

[Jasandjules]

pquinn said:

otolith said:

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

Just to clarify, where does the ability for a business to pick and choose customers based on health or related status start and stop?

Indeed. No-one with HiV allowed into Tesco? What about Hep A or B ? Typhoid?

I think what scares me most is that there are people who think this is acceptable.

[CraigyMc]

Jasandjules said:

pquinn said:

otolith said:

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

Just to clarify, where does the ability for a business to pick and choose customers based on health or related status start and stop?

Indeed. No-one with HiV allowed into Tesco? What about Hep A or B ? Typhoid?

I think what scares me most is that there are people who think this is acceptable.

HIV isn't that easily transmissible. Nor is Hepatitis or Typhoid.

While we're on hypotheticals,
Would you be happy with someone wandering about Tesco intentionally coughing on everyone while muttering "I have Covid-19" ?

If you answer was no, do Tesco have the right to deny that person entry?

[otolith]

pquinn said:

otolith said:

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

Just to clarify, where does the ability for a business to pick and choose customers based on health or related status start and stop?

Round about where the law defines protected characteristics, I should say.

If people choose not to get vaccinated, that's up to them. It's not up to them whether other people want to be around them.

[otolith]

Jasandjules said:

pquinn said:

otolith said:

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

Just to clarify, where does the ability for a business to pick and choose customers based on health or related status start and stop?

Indeed. No-one with HiV allowed into Tesco? What about Hep A or B ? Typhoid?

I think what scares me most is that there are people who think this is acceptable.

Do people get to choose whether or not to have HIV or hepatitis then?

[g4ry13]

otolith said:

Jasandjules said:

pquinn said:

otolith said:

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

Just to clarify, where does the ability for a business to pick and choose customers based on health or related status start and stop?

Indeed. No-one with HiV allowed into Tesco? What about Hep A or B ? Typhoid?

I think what scares me most is that there are people who think this is acceptable.

Do people get to choose whether or not to have HIV or hepatitis then?

Some people make lifestyle choices which increases their chances of contracting these diseases.

[otolith]

g4ry13 said:

otolith said:

Jasandjules said:

pquinn said:

otolith said:

Beyond that, if private enterprises want to require jabs, that's up to them.

Just to clarify, where does the ability for a business to pick and choose customers based on health or related status start and stop?

Indeed. No-one with HiV allowed into Tesco? What about Hep A or B ? Typhoid?

I think what scares me most is that there are people who think this is acceptable.

Do people get to choose whether or not to have HIV or hepatitis then?

Some people make lifestyle choices which increases their chances of contracting these diseases.

So? They can't just say "Oh, I am unhappy with not being allowed into Tesco with HIV, I will go and get it removed".

[Jasandjules]

otolith said:

Do people get to choose whether or not to have HIV or hepatitis then?

What has choice got to do with transmission or infection?

[Iminquarantine]

Jasandjules said:

Indeed. No-one with HiV allowed into Tesco? What about Hep A or B ? Typhoid?

I think what scares me most is that there are people who think this is acceptable.

The chance of transmission of any of those diseases while out shopping in Tesco is close to zero. The chance of transmitting respiratory diseases like Covid-19 is high.

[deckster]

Jasandjules said:

Indeed. No-one with HiV allowed into Tesco? What about Hep A or B ? Typhoid?

I think what scares me most is that there are people who think this is acceptable.

What scares me most is that some people are drawing equivalence between two lifelong conditions with no cure, and a virus for which there is widespread and free availability of a highly effective vaccine.

It is absolutely no stretch to say that, in six months time and in the UK, it will be a personal choice as to whether you are capable of spreading Covid.

Edited by deckster on Wednesday 24th February 11:09

[Jasandjules]

Iminquarantine said:

The chance of transmission of any of those diseases while out shopping in Tesco is close to zero. The chance of transmitting respiratory diseases like Covid-19 is high.

prove it.

[pquinn]

Iminquarantine said:

Jasandjules said:

Indeed. No-one with HiV allowed into Tesco? What about Hep A or B ? Typhoid?

I think what scares me most is that there are people who think this is acceptable.

The chance of transmission of any of those diseases while out shopping in Tesco is close to zero. The chance of transmitting respiratory diseases like Covid-19 is high.

OK so just Flu, TB, and a few others. And anything that transmits easily via surfaces.

[otolith]

Jasandjules said:

otolith said:

Do people get to choose whether or not to have HIV or hepatitis then?

What has choice got to do with transmission or infection?

People have a choice whether to get vaccinated or not. If private enterprises wish to restrict entry to those who opt to be vaccinated, that is in no way similar to denying entry to people who have an incurable life-long condition.

Well, unless you want to argue that antivax is a mental health problem, I suppose.