Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
JeffreyD said:
Jockman said:
This will be glossed over. Scotland is a de facto single party state. Sturgeon is untouchable. The swagger tells you everything.
They don't have a majority in the Scottish Parliament currently.Is that likely to change?
ked up there?Jockman said:
FiF said:
vulture1 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56279525
Great news for UK companies able to trade tariff free with the US.
If I were Boris I'd be rubbing this right into Nicola Sturgeons face that leaving the EU has given a massive boost to Scotlands whisky industry.
5 more pages of bickering and nobody has picked up on this? Another source albeit from Wee Nippy's side of the border.Great news for UK companies able to trade tariff free with the US.
If I were Boris I'd be rubbing this right into Nicola Sturgeons face that leaving the EU has given a massive boost to Scotlands whisky industry.
https://www.grampianonline.co.uk/news/national/us-...
No doubt Rejoiners will have studiously avoided their eyes to try and keep the "nothing positive to see here" stance. Or else it will induce frothing about chicken or selling the NHS off or something.
. I was disappointed at the time that that hadn’t happened but am glad it now has. Leave the rejoiner crap out if you want to be seen as something other than a frother, being critical of the uk’s handling of brexit does not equal being anti uk.JeffreyD said:
powerstroke said:
The fact our government thought it was ok to give the EU the benefit of the doubt against all the evidence to the contrary is the shameful bit .. oh well onward and upward...
Benefit of the doubt over what exactly?Where in reality the priority was to punish the U.K. and show the member states what would happen if they dared to leave their grubby failing political construct..
Murph7355 said:
citizensm1th said:
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That's how politics work in this country that's why we have an opposition
No, it really isn't.That's how politics work in this country that's why we have an opposition
We have a vote on a democratic basis.
We ALL live by the result until the next time a vote is offered. We ALL have to make it work until then. We ALL have to live with it until then. (Well, short of emigrating).
It is the same if the party I vote for doesn't get in at a GE. There is precisely zero point blubbing from the sidelines saying "well you voted for them, you own it". We all at that point live under the same govt whether we voted for it or not.
And part of the reason for that is because we all did/did not do enough to convince like minded people of the error in their ways.
powerstroke said:
That the EU would be pragmatic and want a deal that would help the peoples of Britain and Europe to succeed and trade with each other .
Where in reality the priority was to punish the U.K. and show the member states what would happen if they dared to leave their grubby failing political construct..
So the deal we agreed is actually a punishment rather than a deal between equals allowing both to move forward?Where in reality the priority was to punish the U.K. and show the member states what would happen if they dared to leave their grubby failing political construct..
roger.mellie said:
It was flagged 10’ish pages ago and pretty sure all comments were positive. Sorry if that doesn’t suit the narrative. I also mentioned weeks ago that I’d like one of the brexit wins to be the UK negotiating away the US whiskey tariff punishments, I insist on Irish spelling . I was disappointed at the time that that hadn’t happened but am glad it now has. Leave the rejoiner crap out if you want to be seen as something other than a frother, being critical of the uk’s handling of brexit does not equal being anti uk.
It’s good news but likely just a broader reversal of Trump trade war policy. The talk from the US suggests they want to wind back from the Airbus - Boeing tariff spat with both the UK and EU in general. It will be interesting to see when the US-EU tariffs are lifted, and whether the UK lifting is designed to put pressure on the EU in a certain area. Perhaps the US can now play the UK and EU against each other in this respect. . I was disappointed at the time that that hadn’t happened but am glad it now has. Leave the rejoiner crap out if you want to be seen as something other than a frother, being critical of the uk’s handling of brexit does not equal being anti uk.Brexit benefit - maybe - the shift in policy has more to do with Biden than brexit itself and it will be interesting to see what happens with the EU.
JeffreyD said:
powerstroke said:
That the EU would be pragmatic and want a deal that would help the peoples of Britain and Europe to succeed and trade with each other .
Where in reality the priority was to punish the U.K. and show the member states what would happen if they dared to leave their grubby failing political construct..
So the deal we agreed is actually a punishment rather than a deal between equals allowing both to move forward?Where in reality the priority was to punish the U.K. and show the member states what would happen if they dared to leave their grubby failing political construct..
Maybe he just didn't understand what he signed the UK up to
JeffreyD said:
powerstroke said:
That the EU would be pragmatic and want a deal that would help the peoples of Britain and Europe to succeed and trade with each other .
Where in reality the priority was to punish the U.K. and show the member states what would happen if they dared to leave their grubby failing political construct..
So the deal we agreed is actually a punishment rather than a deal between equals allowing both to move forward?Where in reality the priority was to punish the U.K. and show the member states what would happen if they dared to leave their grubby failing political construct..
It could look like that to those across the Irish Sea ..
DeepEnd said:
It’s good news but likely just a broader reversal of Trump trade war policy. The talk from the US suggests they want to wind back from the Airbus - Boeing tariff spat with both the UK and EU in general. It will be interesting to see when the US-EU tariffs are lifted, and whether the UK lifting is designed to put pressure on the EU in a certain area. Perhaps the US can now play the UK and EU against each other in this respect.
Brexit benefit - maybe - the shift in policy has more to do with Biden than brexit itself and it will be interesting to see what happens with the EU.
It is quite interesting indeed suppose they have some mending to do but perhaps damage has already been done for quite a while. Dont think these tariffs are actually that damaging to the UK or EU, people will buy pay extra for good quality goods Brexit benefit - maybe - the shift in policy has more to do with Biden than brexit itself and it will be interesting to see what happens with the EU.
Tryke3 said:
It is quite interesting indeed suppose they have some mending to do but perhaps damage has already been done for quite a while. Dont think these tariffs are actually that damaging to the UK or EU, people will buy pay extra for good quality goods
The industries targeted dont agree.The whole point of retaliatory tariffs is to make it painful and disruptive to trade.
JeffreyD said:
powerstroke said:
Yes , I would have preferred a WTO Brexit but we had to indulge the spineless !!!
And how would that have helped the Northern Irish?Or is that of no concern?
NI would have had no trade barriers with the rest of the U.K., by far its largest trading partner, and the EU would have had to accept that local rules would apply for trade between NI and Eire, which the WTO confirmed would be fine.
DeepEnd said:
It’s good news but likely just a broader reversal of Trump trade war policy. The talk from the US suggests they want to wind back from the Airbus - Boeing tariff spat with both the UK and EU in general. It will be interesting to see when the US-EU tariffs are lifted, and whether the UK lifting is designed to put pressure on the EU in a certain area. Perhaps the US can now play the UK and EU against each other in this respect.
Brexit benefit - maybe - the shift in policy has more to do with Biden than brexit itself and it will be interesting to see what happens with the EU.
Meanwhile China will also be playing the EU, US and UK against each other Brexit benefit - maybe - the shift in policy has more to do with Biden than brexit itself and it will be interesting to see what happens with the EU.
.Agree on the Biden point.
In geopolitical terms there are obvious reasons why it would make sense for better cooperation rather than fragmentation. The UK has given up some of its influence in being a broker between US and EU and I don't think Biden will do a complete reversal on "America first" so although I expect some smoothing of the waters I don't expect any majorly significant shifts either.
powerstroke said:
JeffreyD said:
Annexed by their own government - pretty shameful really.
The fact our government thought it was ok to give the EU the benefit of the doubt against all the evidence to the contrary is the shameful bit .. oh well onward and upward...I have, it has specific articles to protect GB NI trade and methods to deal with any issues.
There is plenty of scope to overide the normal procedures in the agreement if trade is being disrupted or there are political issues on the ground.
The now infamous Art16 is whats coming from the UK side shortly based on the EU response to temporary measures signalled ahead for the end of March.
loafer123 said:
It would have helped because it would have called the EU’s bluff about their fictional border issue.
NI would have had no trade barriers with the rest of the U.K., by far its largest trading partner, and the EU would have had to accept that local rules would apply for trade between NI and Eire, which the WTO confirmed would be fine.
So Johnson was wrong to recommend his deal then?NI would have had no trade barriers with the rest of the U.K., by far its largest trading partner, and the EU would have had to accept that local rules would apply for trade between NI and Eire, which the WTO confirmed would be fine.
What was he frightened of that led him to recommend such a turd?
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