Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.
Regulatory compliance is a long, long way from equivalent to being ruled by another power.If they had no authority over us, then what on earth is it that Brussels and Strasbourg actually do? Surely you are not saying "nothing"?
How, for example, did they prevent France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal from ordering their own AZ vaccines?
Rule, control, call it what you will, but don;t deny it, because it is a ridiculous stance.
how has my life improved?
With all due respect,you do not know what that may be and how it would affect us.
I am asking you to name current rules that we are now free from .
Edited by topsey.mod on Friday 23 April 09:15
Humour me and just tell me a couple of the major ones.
Secondly this is just a tiresome replay / modification of that hairy old Remain trope, tell me something from Brexit that benefits you.
Several answers are then provided of examples which provide general benefits to UK, society, businesses and consumers.
Remainer response, Oh no those answers are not acceptable you need to provide a response which identifies something that benefits you personally
Many people, including me, not going to play that game anymore.
Jog on.
FiF said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.
Regulatory compliance is a long, long way from equivalent to being ruled by another power.If they had no authority over us, then what on earth is it that Brussels and Strasbourg actually do? Surely you are not saying "nothing"?
How, for example, did they prevent France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal from ordering their own AZ vaccines?
Rule, control, call it what you will, but don;t deny it, because it is a ridiculous stance.
how has my life improved?
With all due respect,you do not know what that may be and how it would affect us.
I am asking you to name current rules that we are now free from .
Edited by topsey.mod on Friday 23 April 09:15
Humour me and just tell me a couple of the major ones.
Secondly this is just a tiresome replay / modification of that hairy old Remain trope, tell me something from Brexit that benefits you.
Several answers are then provided of examples which provide general benefits to UK, society, businesses and consumers.
Remainer response, Oh no those answers are not acceptable you need to provide a response which identifies something that benefits you personally
Many people, including me, not going to play that game anymore.
Jog on.
FiF said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.
Regulatory compliance is a long, long way from equivalent to being ruled by another power.If they had no authority over us, then what on earth is it that Brussels and Strasbourg actually do? Surely you are not saying "nothing"?
How, for example, did they prevent France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal from ordering their own AZ vaccines?
Rule, control, call it what you will, but don;t deny it, because it is a ridiculous stance.
how has my life improved?
With all due respect,you do not know what that may be and how it would affect us.
I am asking you to name current rules that we are now free from .
Edited by topsey.mod on Friday 23 April 09:15
Humour me and just tell me a couple of the major ones.
Secondly this is just a tiresome replay / modification of that hairy old Remain trope, tell me something from Brexit that benefits you.
Several answers are then provided of examples which provide general benefits to UK, society, businesses and consumers.
Remainer response, Oh no those answers are not acceptable you need to provide a response which identifies something that benefits you personally
Many people, including me, not going to play that game anymore.
Jog on.
The bitter arrogance displayed by a bunch of ‘remain hero’s’ was a display of everything that is wrong in the ‘remain’ camp. I expect that a few of them could be simply trolling, certainly not demonstrating debate.
JeffreyD said:
Murph7355 said:
I think trumped by the likes of Soubry and Grieve...
The one I remember vividly was David Mellor losing Putney and James Goldsmith leading the celebration. Absolute demonstration that the Tories are consummate survivors as Brexit is something that should have destroyed them, but it's destroyed the Labour party instead.
crankedup said:
FiF said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.
Regulatory compliance is a long, long way from equivalent to being ruled by another power.If they had no authority over us, then what on earth is it that Brussels and Strasbourg actually do? Surely you are not saying "nothing"?
How, for example, did they prevent France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal from ordering their own AZ vaccines?
Rule, control, call it what you will, but don;t deny it, because it is a ridiculous stance.
how has my life improved?
With all due respect,you do not know what that may be and how it would affect us.
I am asking you to name current rules that we are now free from .
Edited by topsey.mod on Friday 23 April 09:15
Humour me and just tell me a couple of the major ones.
Secondly this is just a tiresome replay / modification of that hairy old Remain trope, tell me something from Brexit that benefits you.
Several answers are then provided of examples which provide general benefits to UK, society, businesses and consumers.
Remainer response, Oh no those answers are not acceptable you need to provide a response which identifies something that benefits you personally
Many people, including me, not going to play that game anymore.
Jog on.
The bitter arrogance displayed by a bunch of ‘remain hero’s’ was a display of everything that is wrong in the ‘remain’ camp. I expect that a few of them could be simply trolling, certainly not demonstrating debate.
How unfortunate .
FiF said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Wow, you’ve got me all nostalgic now! Haven’t heard those ones since 2016 indeed.
list of benefits.
crankedup said:
Couple of occasions, one very recently, I have offered the situation. of how the EU had affected me personally. When I explained the situation I was subjected to pages of ‘remainers’ informing me how my lad had got things so wrong, he wasn’t this or that, why didn’t he do this, why didn’t he do that and how he only had himself to blame.
The bitter arrogance displayed by a bunch of ‘remain hero’s’ was a display of everything that is wrong in the ‘remain’ camp. I expect that a few of them could be simply trolling, certainly not demonstrating debate.
Conveniently left out the part where you outed yourself as a massive xenophobe. Upon which your story lost any credibility and any moral high ground you beleived you had as a leaver crumbled beneath you. The bitter arrogance displayed by a bunch of ‘remain hero’s’ was a display of everything that is wrong in the ‘remain’ camp. I expect that a few of them could be simply trolling, certainly not demonstrating debate.
dai1983 said:
crankedup said:
Couple of occasions, one very recently, I have offered the situation. of how the EU had affected me personally. When I explained the situation I was subjected to pages of ‘remainers’ informing me how my lad had got things so wrong, he wasn’t this or that, why didn’t he do this, why didn’t he do that and how he only had himself to blame.
The bitter arrogance displayed by a bunch of ‘remain hero’s’ was a display of everything that is wrong in the ‘remain’ camp. I expect that a few of them could be simply trolling, certainly not demonstrating debate.
Conveniently left out the part where you outed yourself as a massive xenophobe. Upon which your story lost any credibility and any moral high ground you beleived you had as a leaver crumbled beneath you. The bitter arrogance displayed by a bunch of ‘remain hero’s’ was a display of everything that is wrong in the ‘remain’ camp. I expect that a few of them could be simply trolling, certainly not demonstrating debate.
paul0843 said:
crankedup said:
FiF said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Digga said:
blueg33 said:
Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.
Regulatory compliance is a long, long way from equivalent to being ruled by another power.If they had no authority over us, then what on earth is it that Brussels and Strasbourg actually do? Surely you are not saying "nothing"?
How, for example, did they prevent France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal from ordering their own AZ vaccines?
Rule, control, call it what you will, but don;t deny it, because it is a ridiculous stance.
how has my life improved?
With all due respect,you do not know what that may be and how it would affect us.
I am asking you to name current rules that we are now free from .
Edited by topsey.mod on Friday 23 April 09:15
Humour me and just tell me a couple of the major ones.
Secondly this is just a tiresome replay / modification of that hairy old Remain trope, tell me something from Brexit that benefits you.
Several answers are then provided of examples which provide general benefits to UK, society, businesses and consumers.
Remainer response, Oh no those answers are not acceptable you need to provide a response which identifies something that benefits you personally
Many people, including me, not going to play that game anymore.
Jog on.
The bitter arrogance displayed by a bunch of ‘remain hero’s’ was a display of everything that is wrong in the ‘remain’ camp. I expect that a few of them could be simply trolling, certainly not demonstrating debate.
How unfortunate .
paul0843 said:
FiF said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Wow, you’ve got me all nostalgic now! Haven’t heard those ones since 2016 indeed.
list of benefits.
As before not playing this game.
FiF said:
paul0843 said:
FiF said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Wow, you’ve got me all nostalgic now! Haven’t heard those ones since 2016 indeed.
list of benefits.
-UK can forget automatic supremacy of EU laws over laws the UK can make
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
-UK can make trade deals without reference to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries, just the UK
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't exposed to future EU bail-in potential
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
-UK procurement can forget about mandatory OJEU processes
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on
turbobloke said:
FiF said:
paul0843 said:
FiF said:
Bandit said:
paul0843 said:
Wow, you’ve got me all nostalgic now! Haven’t heard those ones since 2016 indeed.
list of benefits.
-UK can forget automatic supremacy of EU laws over laws the UK can make
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
-UK can make trade deals without reference to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries, just the UK
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't exposed to future EU bail-in potential
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
-UK procurement can forget about mandatory OJEU processes
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on
turbobloke said:
Bump.
-UK can forget automatic supremacy of EU laws over laws the UK can make
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
-UK can make trade deals without reference to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries, just the UK
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't exposed to future EU bail-in potential
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
-UK procurement can forget about mandatory OJEU processes
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on
Drops mic-UK can forget automatic supremacy of EU laws over laws the UK can make
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
-UK can make trade deals without reference to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries, just the UK
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't exposed to future EU bail-in potential
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
-UK procurement can forget about mandatory OJEU processes
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on
crankedup said:
Yes, done extremely well for himself. But my post was criticising the obnoxious reactions from remainers. No wonder posters that voted to leave have but all left this forum.
Perhaps they are waiting for something new and interesting to be posted rather than the incessant repetitive tired old tropes and insults being rolled out. After all, those who voted leave have achieved their aim, seem to be universally comfortable with it, can see that it is worth it and have nothing to be particularly concerned about.digimeistter said:
turbobloke said:
Bump.
-UK can forget automatic supremacy of EU laws over laws the UK can make
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
-UK can make trade deals without reference to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries, just the UK
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't exposed to future EU bail-in potential
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
-UK procurement can forget about mandatory OJEU processes
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on
Drops mic-UK can forget automatic supremacy of EU laws over laws the UK can make
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
-UK can make trade deals without reference to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries, just the UK
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't exposed to future EU bail-in potential
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
-UK procurement can forget about mandatory OJEU processes
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on
My post refers to benefits that I can personally Quantify.
Please excuse excessive use of capitals.They are done purely to differentiate my answers.
I CAN THINK OF NOT ONE THAT AFFECTS ME POSITIVELY
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
ACCORDING TO OUR OWN GOVERNMENTS WHITE PAPER,WE WERE ALWAYS A SOVEREIGN NATION.
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
DONT SEE THIS,AND AGAIN NO BENEFIT TO ME.
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
AND LOSE OUR VOICE AND INFLUENCE.
-UK can make trade deals without reference to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries, just the UK
ALL WE HAVE DONE IS ROLLOVERS OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAD AS A SINGLE NATION,NOT A LARGE UNION OF 27.
WE HAVE THE WORLDS LARGEST MARKET ON OUR DOORSTEP,BUT WE BELIEVE ITS BETTER TO START LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD.
WHEN I GO TO A SUPERMARKET,I GO TO THE ONE IN MY NEIGHBOURHOOD,WALKING DISTANE,NOT ONE THAT I NEED TO DRIVE FOR HOURS AND HOURS TO GET TO.
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel
AGAIN CAN SEE NO BENEFIT TO ME OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER.
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
NOT PAYING THE MEMBERSHIP,BUT HAVING TO PAY MANY TIMES THE FEE FOR THE ADDED BUREAUCRACY
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't exposed to future EU bail-in potential
AND THE SKY MAY FALL ON MY HEAD,BUT I STILL CHANCE IT AND WALK OUT THE HOUSE ON A DAILY BASIS.
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES AND ALL THAT.
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
REALLY? £100 PER METRE WALLPAPER ANYONE?
-UK procurement can forget about mandatory OJEU processes
YES,HANCOCK AND HIS SISTER CAN ADVICE ON THIS.
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
THAT WE HAVE A SAY IN AND ALSO A VETO
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on
AS ABOVE WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A VETO,AND OFF COURSE YOU CAN ALWAYS WEAR SOME TIN FOIL HATS.
I have friends who voted for Brexit based on Xenophobia,and even though I disagree with them I respect the fact that they have the conviction to admit it.
I also have friends who keep telling me of many benefits. They still have not been able to convince me.
Paul
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