Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
blueg33 said:
crankedup said:
If you care to read back your own posts you will recall it was you who asked the question and why I said business talks to Government. I assume you also know that business would have done some homework and foresee a business opportunity.That’s why it’s more than hope that brexiteers consider.
Lobbying gives you no guarantees. You hope that the politicians have listened, understood and take action, but that’s all. They simply will not give you guarantees that have any meaning. crankedup said:
blueg33 said:
crankedup said:
If you care to read back your own posts you will recall it was you who asked the question and why I said business talks to Government. I assume you also know that business would have done some homework and foresee a business opportunity.That’s why it’s more than hope that brexiteers consider.
Lobbying gives you no guarantees. You hope that the politicians have listened, understood and take action, but that’s all. They simply will not give you guarantees that have any meaning. Taking advantage of a new context is normal, whether the new context is political or something else.
With global CEOs seeing the UK as a better investment bet after brexit than before, the new context includes optimism unless you're a diehard remainer hoping for something else.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11...
crankedup said:
gizlaroc said:
Is this thread still going?
f
k me, with the shambles that is covid who cares about Brexit anymore?
I am now nearly 5 months in, just about all the niggles have been ironed out, the suppliers who have arrogantly shrugged their shoulders and used crap couriers who are trying to make profits from this are now wondering why we have not placed any more orders from them, the fact they are shocked is the only shock.
We have changed couriers to those who are doing it properly.
The fact they are shocked we are not using them anymore is the only shock.
We have gone from 70/30 EU UK purchasing to 30/70 for next season.
The "Made in Germany" and "Made in Italy" products that we have been buying for the last couple of decades.....turns out they are not at all. They are made wherever it is cheapest for them to make.
They have been caught out with the new Country Of Origin tariffs big time and having a hissy fit over it. 2 rather large companies tried to blame Brexit for the 12% tariff presuming we are all stupid, however, they did it in an open email and so I replied to all, pointing out that it is actually the fact they have lied about where the product is made and that is why there is a 12% tariff, and it is an EU wide tariff from July 1st.
They went very quiet and are now refusing to reply and all communication to be done through their UK agents only going forward.
We have parted company.
One of my suppliers said that their UK orders have doubled for next season, even during a pandemic, and everyone said the same, will be putting more into UK buys going forward. They have taken on considerably more staff to cope.
So all in all I would say I am pretty pleased with the outcome so far.
Will admit some teething problems had me wondering, but no, seems to be pretty good for UK PLC in my game.
Waiting for remainers to jump all over this and rip it to shreds f
k me, with the shambles that is covid who cares about Brexit anymore? I am now nearly 5 months in, just about all the niggles have been ironed out, the suppliers who have arrogantly shrugged their shoulders and used crap couriers who are trying to make profits from this are now wondering why we have not placed any more orders from them, the fact they are shocked is the only shock.
We have changed couriers to those who are doing it properly.
The fact they are shocked we are not using them anymore is the only shock.
We have gone from 70/30 EU UK purchasing to 30/70 for next season.
The "Made in Germany" and "Made in Italy" products that we have been buying for the last couple of decades.....turns out they are not at all. They are made wherever it is cheapest for them to make.
They have been caught out with the new Country Of Origin tariffs big time and having a hissy fit over it. 2 rather large companies tried to blame Brexit for the 12% tariff presuming we are all stupid, however, they did it in an open email and so I replied to all, pointing out that it is actually the fact they have lied about where the product is made and that is why there is a 12% tariff, and it is an EU wide tariff from July 1st.
They went very quiet and are now refusing to reply and all communication to be done through their UK agents only going forward.
We have parted company.
One of my suppliers said that their UK orders have doubled for next season, even during a pandemic, and everyone said the same, will be putting more into UK buys going forward. They have taken on considerably more staff to cope.
So all in all I would say I am pretty pleased with the outcome so far.
Will admit some teething problems had me wondering, but no, seems to be pretty good for UK PLC in my game.
Edited by crankedup on Wednesday 21st April 19:15
gizlaroc said:
Is this thread still going?
fk me, with the shambles that is covid who cares about Brexit anymore?
I am now nearly 5 months in, just about all the niggles have been ironed out, the suppliers who have arrogantly shrugged their shoulders and used crap couriers who are trying to make profits from this are now wondering why we have not placed any more orders from them, the fact they are shocked is the only shock.
We have changed couriers to those who are doing it properly.
The fact they are shocked we are not using them anymore is the only shock.
We have gone from 70/30 EU UK purchasing to 30/70 for next season.
The "Made in Germany" and "Made in Italy" products that we have been buying for the last couple of decades.....turns out they are not at all. They are made wherever it is cheapest for them to make.
They have been caught out with the new Country Of Origin tariffs big time and having a hissy fit over it. 2 rather large companies tried to blame Brexit for the 12% tariff presuming we are all stupid, however, they did it in an open email and so I replied to all, pointing out that it is actually the fact they have lied about where the product is made and that is why there is a 12% tariff, and it is an EU wide tariff from July 1st.
They went very quiet and are now refusing to reply and all communication to be done through their UK agents only going forward.
We have parted company.
One of my suppliers said that their UK orders have doubled for next season, even during a pandemic, and everyone said the same, will be putting more into UK buys going forward. They have taken on considerably more staff to cope.
So all in all I would say I am pretty pleased with the outcome so far.
Will admit some teething problems had me wondering, but no, seems to be pretty good for UK PLC in my game.
First hand evidence like this is fascinating, not least because it pisses on the chips of the whingeing minority who only see the negatives moving forward ...f
k me, with the shambles that is covid who cares about Brexit anymore? I am now nearly 5 months in, just about all the niggles have been ironed out, the suppliers who have arrogantly shrugged their shoulders and used crap couriers who are trying to make profits from this are now wondering why we have not placed any more orders from them, the fact they are shocked is the only shock.
We have changed couriers to those who are doing it properly.
The fact they are shocked we are not using them anymore is the only shock.
We have gone from 70/30 EU UK purchasing to 30/70 for next season.
The "Made in Germany" and "Made in Italy" products that we have been buying for the last couple of decades.....turns out they are not at all. They are made wherever it is cheapest for them to make.
They have been caught out with the new Country Of Origin tariffs big time and having a hissy fit over it. 2 rather large companies tried to blame Brexit for the 12% tariff presuming we are all stupid, however, they did it in an open email and so I replied to all, pointing out that it is actually the fact they have lied about where the product is made and that is why there is a 12% tariff, and it is an EU wide tariff from July 1st.
They went very quiet and are now refusing to reply and all communication to be done through their UK agents only going forward.
We have parted company.
One of my suppliers said that their UK orders have doubled for next season, even during a pandemic, and everyone said the same, will be putting more into UK buys going forward. They have taken on considerably more staff to cope.
So all in all I would say I am pretty pleased with the outcome so far.
Will admit some teething problems had me wondering, but no, seems to be pretty good for UK PLC in my game.
More please.
A TOP German business lobbyist has said that firms in his country are lining up to invest in Britain after Brexit sparked less disruption than feared.
Ulrich Hoppe, director-general of the German-British Chamber of Industry & Commerce, added that many businesses previously planning to relocate staff have now abandoned their plans to do so.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/04/21/ge...
Ulrich Hoppe, director-general of the German-British Chamber of Industry & Commerce, added that many businesses previously planning to relocate staff have now abandoned their plans to do so.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/04/21/ge...
Oilchange said:
First hand evidence like this is fascinating, not least because it pisses on the chips of the whingeing minority who only see the negatives moving forward ...
More please.
It doesn't really.More please.
People at both ends of the spectrum will ignore it and still get upset and try and dig out stuff that supports their view (both ways). This will go on for decades.
gizlaroc appears to be one of the majority who after the initial bumps is simply getting on and doing what business does. As noted further up the thread, the 35%/45% that seem to be struggling need to learn from his example quickly or they will fail. Brexit, in this respect, is no different to any other global macro-economic change. Some succeed, some fail. The predictions of who will be on both sides of the equation ebb and flow too.
The economics of Brexit were always a red herring. Those trying to argue on that basis alone have always been wasting their time, misunderstanding the real drivers. The EU is a political construct first and foremost that was initially hiding behind a mutually beneficial economic one. Those days of hiding passed a long time ago.
Murph7355 said:
It doesn't really.
People at both ends of the spectrum will ignore it and still get upset and try and dig out stuff that supports their view (both ways). This will go on for decades.
gizlaroc appears to be one of the majority who after the initial bumps is simply getting on and doing what business does. As noted further up the thread, the 35%/45% that seem to be struggling need to learn from his example quickly or they will fail. Brexit, in this respect, is no different to any other global macro-economic change. Some succeed, some fail. The predictions of who will be on both sides of the equation ebb and flow too.
The economics of Brexit were always a red herring. Those trying to argue on that basis alone have always been wasting their time, misunderstanding the real drivers. The EU is a political construct first and foremost that was initially hiding behind a mutually beneficial economic one. Those days of hiding passed a long time ago.
Your narrative started of so well and than you dose off again into that delusion that Brexit was somehow founded on a rational process. People at both ends of the spectrum will ignore it and still get upset and try and dig out stuff that supports their view (both ways). This will go on for decades.
gizlaroc appears to be one of the majority who after the initial bumps is simply getting on and doing what business does. As noted further up the thread, the 35%/45% that seem to be struggling need to learn from his example quickly or they will fail. Brexit, in this respect, is no different to any other global macro-economic change. Some succeed, some fail. The predictions of who will be on both sides of the equation ebb and flow too.
The economics of Brexit were always a red herring. Those trying to argue on that basis alone have always been wasting their time, misunderstanding the real drivers. The EU is a political construct first and foremost that was initially hiding behind a mutually beneficial economic one. Those days of hiding passed a long time ago.
To finish your narrative; David Cameron abused and misjudged the Brexit referendum for his own political gain and from there we all know how he lost control over the process resulting in a referendum in which the British public was illinformed; from red busses, sunlit uplands and the rest of the promises.
We all know the negatives of the EU, but so do we know those of the flag waving Brexiteer.
Consensus.DeltonaS said:
To finish your narrative; David Cameron abused and misjudged the Brexit referendum for his own political gain and from there we all know how he lost control over the process resulting in a referendum in which the British public was illinformed; from red busses, sunlit uplands and the rest of the promises.
The referendum was lost the day it was called, your red buses, sunlit uplands and "promises" had nothing to do with it. Do you honestly believe that anyone who voted to leave thought there was a masterplan of how it would work out once we'd left? All we knew was that we wanted to get out of the grip of the EU, once that was done it was up to us to sort out how it played out, which is what is happening.
Ean218 said:
DeltonaS said:
To finish your narrative; David Cameron abused and misjudged the Brexit referendum for his own political gain and from there we all know how he lost control over the process resulting in a referendum in which the British public was illinformed; from red busses, sunlit uplands and the rest of the promises.
The referendum was lost the day it was called, your red buses, sunlit uplands and "promises" had nothing to do with it. Do you honestly believe that anyone who voted to leave thought there was a masterplan of how it would work out once we'd left? All we knew was that we wanted to get out of the grip of the EU, once that was done it was up to us to sort out how it played out, which is what is happening.
Cameron - like politicians do - thought he was in control. As per other politicians and campaigners, only the most naive would swallow/inhale a word of such information pollution.
Ean218 said:
The referendum was lost the day it was called, your red buses, sunlit uplands and "promises" had nothing to do with it.
Do you honestly believe that anyone who voted to leave thought there was a masterplan of how it would work out once we'd left? All we knew was that we wanted to get out of the grip of the EU, once that was done it was up to us to sort out how it played out, which is what is happening.
Supports my theory that leavers are gamblers, gambling the economy on hope.Do you honestly believe that anyone who voted to leave thought there was a masterplan of how it would work out once we'd left? All we knew was that we wanted to get out of the grip of the EU, once that was done it was up to us to sort out how it played out, which is what is happening.
blueg33 said:
Ean218 said:
The referendum was lost the day it was called, your red buses, sunlit uplands and "promises" had nothing to do with it.
Do you honestly believe that anyone who voted to leave thought there was a masterplan of how it would work out once we'd left? All we knew was that we wanted to get out of the grip of the EU, once that was done it was up to us to sort out how it played out, which is what is happening.
Supports my theory that leavers are gamblers, gambling the economy on hope.Do you honestly believe that anyone who voted to leave thought there was a masterplan of how it would work out once we'd left? All we knew was that we wanted to get out of the grip of the EU, once that was done it was up to us to sort out how it played out, which is what is happening.
blueg33 said:
Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.
Regulatory compliance is a long, long way from equivalent to being ruled by another power.blueg33 said:
Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.
External trade is a tiny fraction of our economy.Imports are far more important than exports, considering our balance of trade.
Not every exporter has been negatively affected - I've shown yesterday one reason why our European competitive has materially improved.
Amusingly, that got ignored apart from one poster who tried to tell me I was lying about my employer's market...
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