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AdeTuono said:
thewarlock said:
CourtAgain said:
First Apu, now Dr Hibbert? The Simpsons have always been about satire and gentle teasing. Can we get the episode of The Simpsons visiting London cancelled as it's offensive as how Brits are portrayed?
Dr Hibbert is one of the best characters, there will be nothing of the show left if this stuff continues
If it was a white guy in live action, doing an indian accent, would you still support it as satire though? Dr Hibbert is one of the best characters, there will be nothing of the show left if this stuff continues
Like here. You're missing what is really going on. The Simpsons are losing viewers, I personally haven't even seen a re-run episode in the last 10 years, let alone any of the new stuff. They jumped the shark years ago and when they went pay-tv only that was putting the nails into the coffin.
There can't be much life left in the series and the writers know it... Hence they are trying to grab headlines to get people like you, those who get worked up over things like this, talking about it.
Also not to mention that Harry Shearer is 77 and probably looking to do a little less work.
The Simpsons had 32 seasons. That's a good run and it would be good to let the series die... However few of Groenings other ventured have gained any traction. None since Futurama really.
The Simpsons one is real BS. If every character on the Simpsons was played by only one actor then I could understand it to some extent but the main voice actors play multiple characters. Just checked on wiki and Harry Shearer has done well over twenty and a whole range of semi main characters like Mr Burns. Now they have to employ another person and bump up cost of production so that some people can feel better about it. Same with Apu. He was just one of many characters voiced by the other Harry.
Esceptico said:
The Simpsons one is real BS. If every character on the Simpsons was played by only one actor then I could understand it to some extent but the main voice actors play multiple characters. Just checked on wiki and Harry Shearer has done well over twenty and a whole range of semi main characters like Mr Burns. Now they have to employ another person and bump up cost of production so that some people can feel better about it. Same with Apu. He was just one of many characters voiced by the other Harry.
Imagine the fun when it comes out that new cast members are paid less than old ones...captain_cynic said:
Satire is a very complex thing and the people who like to boast "I don't get offended at everything that doesn't live up to your 'right-on' way of thinking" usually get it wrong.
It's hardly a 'boast', is it? It's just a fact. There is very little that offends me. And I have never, ever got offended on behalf of someone else. How have I 'got it wrong'?
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bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Angry at potatoes 
They'll be renaming them Queen Edwards soon!But if you ever stop to think "why do people just assume I want the Mr one because I'm a boy?" or "why am I meant to like blue stuff and not pink stuff?" or "what do you mean I can't wear this one because the buttons are on the wrong side?" it highlights how things that probably shouldn't matter still seem to matter quite a bit more than they should.
Honestly it's an interesting one and some peoples first instinct seems to be to get angry about it.
So, things change, always have, always will.
Just like the DM once had a headline that wanted snowboarding banned then went on to sponsor the Daily Mail Ski and Snowboard Show. The NP&E Frothers will get all spitty and outraged, but it'll flow on past them,.
Masculinity is on par with racism at the moment, because it's considered at odds with gender equality. And women are considered victims of oppression like people of colour. They way it's heading, I'm sure we will see a more concerted effort to remove the elements that make boys grow up with a clear male identity, in order to align with the equality agenda and stamp out persieved misogyny... ie gender neutralising toys, forcing LGBTQIA into early years school curriculum and promoting parenting which adopts a more gender fluid approach to childcare - its what will be expected in schools and from society in the name of tolerance and political correctness. Speaking out against it or will be labelled "hate speech" - always an effective way to prevent debate.
Blurring or removing the male/femal identifiers while normalising transgenderism and forcing kids to think about their sexuality from a very early age is, in my opinion, ultimately what leads to these alarming statistics:
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
"even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic"
Biden's pick for a completely unbiased health secretary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecPhwPto40
Combined with the recently passed "Equality Act", it's going to be easier for a child to make these life-changing decisions. Curious to see how this will affect the detransition statistics.
Edited by Kessler on Tuesday 2nd March 18:51
Kessler said:
Difference is that in the 1940's there wasn't a war on "toxic masculinity".
Masculinity is on par with racism at the moment, because it's considered at odds with gender equality. And women are considered victims of oppression like people of colour. They way it's heading, I'm sure we will see a more concerted effort to remove the elements that make boys grow up with a clear male identity, in order to align with the equality agenda and stamp out persieved misogyny... ie gender neutralising toys, forcing LGBTQIA into early years school curriculum and promoting parenting which adopts a more gender fluid approach to childcare - its what will be expected in schools and from society in the name of tolerance and political correctness. Speaking out against will be labelled "hate speech" - always an effective way to prevent debate.
Blurring or removing the male/femal identifiers while normalising transgenderism and forcing kids to think about their sexuality from a very early age is, in my opinion, ultimately what leads to these alarming statistics:
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
"even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic"
Biden's pick for a completely unbiased health secretary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecPhwPto40
Combined with the recently passed "Equality Act", it's going to be easier for a child to make these life-changing decisions. Curious to see how this will affect the detransition statistics.
I read things where I think "yeah not so sure about that" but I can't help but think you're going a bit over the top there so far as noticeable impact on your daily life.Masculinity is on par with racism at the moment, because it's considered at odds with gender equality. And women are considered victims of oppression like people of colour. They way it's heading, I'm sure we will see a more concerted effort to remove the elements that make boys grow up with a clear male identity, in order to align with the equality agenda and stamp out persieved misogyny... ie gender neutralising toys, forcing LGBTQIA into early years school curriculum and promoting parenting which adopts a more gender fluid approach to childcare - its what will be expected in schools and from society in the name of tolerance and political correctness. Speaking out against will be labelled "hate speech" - always an effective way to prevent debate.
Blurring or removing the male/femal identifiers while normalising transgenderism and forcing kids to think about their sexuality from a very early age is, in my opinion, ultimately what leads to these alarming statistics:
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
"even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic"
Biden's pick for a completely unbiased health secretary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecPhwPto40
Combined with the recently passed "Equality Act", it's going to be easier for a child to make these life-changing decisions. Curious to see how this will affect the detransition statistics.
Edited by Kessler on Tuesday 2nd March 18:49
Just can't say I feel like I'm caught up in a war on "toxic masculinity".
Do you really believe this stuff?
Kessler said:
Difference is that in the 1940's there wasn't a war on "toxic masculinity".
Masculinity is on par with racism at the moment, because it's considered at odds with gender equality. And women are considered victims of oppression like people of colour. They way it's heading, I'm sure we will see a more concerted effort to remove the elements that make boys grow up with a clear male identity, in order to align with the equality agenda and stamp out persieved misogyny... ie gender neutralising toys, forcing LGBTQIA into early years school curriculum and promoting parenting which adopts a more gender fluid approach to childcare - its what will be expected in schools and from society in the name of tolerance and political correctness. Speaking out against it or will be labelled "hate speech" - always an effective way to prevent debate.
Blurring or removing the male/femal identifiers while normalising transgenderism and forcing kids to think about their sexuality from a very early age is, in my opinion, ultimately what leads to these alarming statistics:
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
"even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic"
Biden's pick for a completely unbiased health secretary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecPhwPto40
Combined with the recently passed "Equality Act", it's going to be easier for a child to make these life-changing decisions. Curious to see how this will affect the detransition statistics.
The 70's got the end game right ..Masculinity is on par with racism at the moment, because it's considered at odds with gender equality. And women are considered victims of oppression like people of colour. They way it's heading, I'm sure we will see a more concerted effort to remove the elements that make boys grow up with a clear male identity, in order to align with the equality agenda and stamp out persieved misogyny... ie gender neutralising toys, forcing LGBTQIA into early years school curriculum and promoting parenting which adopts a more gender fluid approach to childcare - its what will be expected in schools and from society in the name of tolerance and political correctness. Speaking out against it or will be labelled "hate speech" - always an effective way to prevent debate.
Blurring or removing the male/femal identifiers while normalising transgenderism and forcing kids to think about their sexuality from a very early age is, in my opinion, ultimately what leads to these alarming statistics:
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
"even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic"
Biden's pick for a completely unbiased health secretary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecPhwPto40
Combined with the recently passed "Equality Act", it's going to be easier for a child to make these life-changing decisions. Curious to see how this will affect the detransition statistics.
Edited by Kessler on Tuesday 2nd March 18:51
TX.
Kessler said:
Difference is that in the 1940's there wasn't a war on "toxic masculinity".
Masculinity is on par with racism at the moment, because it's considered at odds with gender equality. And women are considered victims of oppression like people of colour. They way it's heading, I'm sure we will see a more concerted effort to remove the elements that make boys grow up with a clear male identity, in order to align with the equality and stamp out misogyny... ie gender neutralising toys, forcing LGBTQIA into early years school curriculum and promoting parenting which adopts a more gender fluid approach to childcare - its what will be expected in schools and from society in the name of tolerance and political correctness. Speaking out against will be labelled "hate speech" - always an effective way to prevent debate.
Blurring or removing the male/femal identifiers while normalising transgenderism and forcing kids to think about their sexuality from a very early age is, in my opinion, ultimately what leads to these alarming statistics:
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
"even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic"
Biden's pick for a completely unbiased health secretary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecPhwPto40
Combined with the recently passed "Equality Act", it's going to be easier for a child to make these life-changing decisions. Curious to see how this will affect the detransition statistics.
You are conflating a whole ton of issues here in a way which doesn't really work.Masculinity is on par with racism at the moment, because it's considered at odds with gender equality. And women are considered victims of oppression like people of colour. They way it's heading, I'm sure we will see a more concerted effort to remove the elements that make boys grow up with a clear male identity, in order to align with the equality and stamp out misogyny... ie gender neutralising toys, forcing LGBTQIA into early years school curriculum and promoting parenting which adopts a more gender fluid approach to childcare - its what will be expected in schools and from society in the name of tolerance and political correctness. Speaking out against will be labelled "hate speech" - always an effective way to prevent debate.
Blurring or removing the male/femal identifiers while normalising transgenderism and forcing kids to think about their sexuality from a very early age is, in my opinion, ultimately what leads to these alarming statistics:
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
"even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic"
Biden's pick for a completely unbiased health secretary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecPhwPto40
Combined with the recently passed "Equality Act", it's going to be easier for a child to make these life-changing decisions. Curious to see how this will affect the detransition statistics.
I don't think there is a war on masculinity, although I do think there are efforts to try and improve the serious issue of young male suicide and how men access health care generally.
Your sexuality is not (can not) be forced on you. Teaching children that LGBT people exist, get married, and have or adopt children is not a bad thing. It is pretty sad that you seem to think this is an attack on masculinity. Gay teens should not be committing suicide because they think they are abnormal or unwelcome.
I won't speak on Apu as I am not Indian.
However the doc was completely inoffensive to me. (It didn't even register)
With that said, I can kind of see the value of having characters of a certain ethnicity being voiced by that ethnicity, it's a sort of organic way of providing equal opportunities.
However the doc was completely inoffensive to me. (It didn't even register)
With that said, I can kind of see the value of having characters of a certain ethnicity being voiced by that ethnicity, it's a sort of organic way of providing equal opportunities.
captain_cynic said:
The Simpsons are losing viewers, I personally haven't even seen a re-run episode in the last 10 years, let alone any of the new stuff. They jumped the shark years ago and when they went pay-tv only that was putting the nails into the coffin.
There can't be much life left in the series and the writers know it... Hence they are trying to grab headlines to get people like you, those who get worked up over things like this, talking about it.
Also not to mention that Harry Shearer is 77 and probably looking to do a little less work.
The Simpsons had 32 seasons. That's a good run and it would be good to let the series die... However few of Groenings other ventured have gained any traction. None since Futurama really.
Again - you are making assumptions to downplay the reasons given by Simpsons crew themselves.There can't be much life left in the series and the writers know it... Hence they are trying to grab headlines to get people like you, those who get worked up over things like this, talking about it.
Also not to mention that Harry Shearer is 77 and probably looking to do a little less work.
The Simpsons had 32 seasons. That's a good run and it would be good to let the series die... However few of Groenings other ventured have gained any traction. None since Futurama really.
Yes, it does seem hard to believe that people have become so obsessed with racism that they manage to twist the above into a racist narrative, along with Uncle Ben's rice, Maths, Chess (white goes first), Eskimo ice cream etc etc....but the woke revolution is on fire - rather than just reading about it, I see the effect of it in my personal life.
One of many examples from my workplace was a recent article on our intranet explaining why "panel discussions with just white men are no longer allowed". Where we used to purely consider merrit - picking the best candidate form the banking industry for the relevance of the discussion on stage - we now have to pick according to the diversity ration of 50% non-white/50% female (so far there is no "other gender" requirement so guess it's still a bit transphobic).
People are walking on egg shells trying to avoid causing offence and not being inclusive enough. In my team we used to be colour blind, but we now have to consider our white privilege over our black colleagues. HR has never been busier.
Edited by Kessler on Tuesday 2nd March 19:31
NoddyonNitrous said:
Terminator X said:
They will be having kittens if this one from my youth hasn't yet been banned ...
TX.
Still got my copy of that from childhood. It's a cracker.TX.
TX.
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