Pontins told to stop screening Irish names

[gaseous clay]

slow_poke said:

Amazing the number of racists defending a racist policy here.
I would say to take a good long look at yourselves and you should be ashamed of yourselves but that would be pointless really.

Because you have no shame.

Not that amazing here tbf.

[JagLover]

fido said:

slow_poke said:

Amazing the number of racists defending a racist policy here.

It's discriminatory but not racist. As someone pointed out before the Mafia would be a better analogy. Problem is the surname thing doesn't work and the underlying issue here isn't racism - it's lack of enforcement when problems arise with the group that the surname policy is attempting to remedy. In other words if the scoundrels weren't so easily given refuge then this wouldn't be an issue. This must be an issue with other businesses - e.g. service stations - wonder how they deal with the problem?

Yes the Mafia is a very good analogy. A collection of criminal families within the larger Italian population. Most Italian Americans were law abiding citizens and the Mafia were a sub culture within them.

[seabod91]

fk the scum. It should be mandatory to ban them from towns/cities never mind a holiday resort.

[gaseous clay]

JagLover said:

Yes the Mafia is a very good analogy. A collection of criminal families within the larger Italian population. Most Italian Americans were law abiding citizens and the Mafia were a sub culture within them.

And treating everyone with an Italian sounding name as being guilty of the same crimes would be what?

[Type R Tom]

Although completely different situations, I can't help but feel some of the sensitivities in stories like this lead to situations reported by BBC this week. People are scared to tackle a problem as they are worried about being labeled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-5630146...

[JagLover]

gaseous clay said:

JagLover said:

Yes the Mafia is a very good analogy. A collection of criminal families within the larger Italian population. Most Italian Americans were law abiding citizens and the Mafia were a sub culture within them.

And treating everyone with an Italian sounding name as being guilty of the same crimes would be what?

i've already said it was an act of desperation by Pontins and an example of governmental failure that they were driven to it.

if the US government had declared the mafia a protected minority, and its law enforcement agencies had treated them with kid gloves, then things might have been different over there.

[gaseous clay]

JagLover said:

i've already said it was an act of desperation by Pontins and an example of governmental failure that they were driven to it.

if the US government had declared the mafia a protected minority, and its law enforcement agencies had treated them with kid gloves, then things might have been different over there.

There's always someone else to blame. I can't understand why people refuse to own their stty attitudes.

[slow_poke]

Colonel Cupcake said:

slow_poke said:

Amazing the number of racists defending a racist policy here.
I would say to take a good long look at yourselves and you should be ashamed of yourselves but that would be pointless really.

Because you have no shame.

Burnishing your right-on credentials defending a bunch of protected criminals that you have zero experience of.

Now, that's shameful.

My my. How do you know I'm not an Irish Traveller? How do you know I don't hate Irish Travellers on sight but don't want non-Traveling Irish people to be treated like them? How do you know if My surname is or is not on that list?

You know nothing.

[Greg_D]

gaseous clay said:

And treating everyone with an Italian sounding name as being guilty of the same crimes would be what?

Not what is happening at pontins...

if, however a business wanted to stop anyone called corleone from coming in as a reaction to previous corleones extorting all their customers, then that would be ok.

[gaseous clay]

Greg_D said:

gaseous clay said:

And treating everyone with an Italian sounding name as being guilty of the same crimes would be what?

Not what is happening at pontins...

if, however a business wanted to stop anyone called corleone from coming in as a reaction to previous corleones extorting all their customers, then that would be ok.

Yes, if you just banned the most common Italian names it would be completely different. Obviously.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

fido said:

slow_poke said:

Amazing the number of racists defending a racist policy here.

It's discriminatory but not racist. As someone pointed out before the Mafia would be a better analogy.

Excluding anyone with an Italian surname in order to exclude the Mafia would be equally unacceptable.

[Jazzy Jag]

So what is an acceptable solution to the problem that such companies face?.

Nobody wants to have their holiday ruined by these people and companies don't want to disruption, hassle or damage.

[gaseous clay]

Jazzy Jag said:

So what is an acceptable solution to the problem that such companies face?.

Nobody wants to have their holiday ruined by these people and companies don't want to disruption, hassle or damage.

Well I'm sure they have people who are paid enough to come up with solutions but at least we've narrowed it down for them by finding one thing they aren't allowed to do.

[Cold]

gaseous clay said:

Jazzy Jag said:

So what is an acceptable solution to the problem that such companies face?.

Nobody wants to have their holiday ruined by these people and companies don't want to disruption, hassle or damage.

Well I'm sure they have people who are paid enough to come up with solutions but at least we've narrowed it down for them by finding one thing they aren't allowed to do.

This basically boils down to how society has resigned itself to tolerate such bad behaviour. It can't do anything to guard itself from petty crime as someone, somewhere will cry foul.

So the criminal carries on knowing that the same society it is committing crimes against is the same society which is protecting them to do so. They're laughing at how easy it is to take the piss of out decent people.

[gaseous clay]

Cold said:

This basically boils down to how society has resigned itself to tolerate such bad behaviour. It can't do anything to guard itself from petty crime as someone, somewhere will cry foul.

So the criminal carries on knowing that the same society it is committing crimes against is the same society which is protecting them to do so. They're laughing at how easy it is to take the piss of out decent people.

Quite right. We used to put up with petty racism like this where decent people had the piss taken out of them because they shared characteristics with people who committed crimes. Luckily it is on the way out as people call out bullst like this.

[Cold]

gaseous clay said:

Cold said:

This basically boils down to how society has resigned itself to tolerate such bad behaviour. It can't do anything to guard itself from petty crime as someone, somewhere will cry foul.

So the criminal carries on knowing that the same society it is committing crimes against is the same society which is protecting them to do so. They're laughing at how easy it is to take the piss of out decent people.

Quite right. We used to put up with petty racism like this where decent people had the piss taken out of them because they shared characteristics with people who committed crimes. Luckily it is on the way out as people call out bullst like this.

Thank you for proving my point.

[gaseous clay]

Cold said:

gaseous clay said:

Cold said:

This basically boils down to how society has resigned itself to tolerate such bad behaviour. It can't do anything to guard itself from petty crime as someone, somewhere will cry foul.

So the criminal carries on knowing that the same society it is committing crimes against is the same society which is protecting them to do so. They're laughing at how easy it is to take the piss of out decent people.

Quite right. We used to put up with petty racism like this where decent people had the piss taken out of them because they shared characteristics with people who committed crimes. Luckily it is on the way out as people call out bullst like this.

Thank you for proving my point.

Thank you for falling headlong into a very obvious dimwit trap.

[coppernorks]

fido said:

It's discriminatory but not racist. As someone pointed out before the Mafia would be a better analogy. Problem is the surname thing doesn't work and the underlying issue here isn't racism - it's lack of enforcement when problems arise with the group that the surname policy is attempting to remedy. In other words if the scoundrels weren't so easily given refuge then this wouldn't be an issue. This must be an issue with other businesses - e.g. service stations - wonder how they deal with the problem?

Edited by fido on Sunday 7th March 16:54

If you had been a avid viewer of Big Fat Gypsies Getting Married then you would know the ploy of
savvy Wedding Venues, gladly accepting the booking , then, after wiser heads had gleaned the
gruesome family names of the couple hastily phoned them back cancelling the booking saying
unfortunately that day was already booked with a Detectorists' Convention and Dinner Dance.

You see, no law broken, just a company thinking on its feet.

[Ortega56]

Afaik, there are 9 protected characteristics in terms of race, gender, religion etc etc. that are viewed as discriminatory, thus unlawful. Surnames on not on the list. Perhaps Pontins were trying to box clever to get around The Equality Act?

[Mr Whippy]

gaseous clay said:

Cold said:

gaseous clay said:

Cold said:

This basically boils down to how society has resigned itself to tolerate such bad behaviour. It can't do anything to guard itself from petty crime as someone, somewhere will cry foul.

So the criminal carries on knowing that the same society it is committing crimes against is the same society which is protecting them to do so. They're laughing at how easy it is to take the piss of out decent people.

Quite right. We used to put up with petty racism like this where decent people had the piss taken out of them because they shared characteristics with people who committed crimes. Luckily it is on the way out as people call out bullst like this.

Thank you for proving my point.

Thank you for falling headlong into a very obvious dimwit trap.

It seems like you’re the dimwit because Pontins aren’t petty racists.

Surname filtering /= racism.