Amazon Fresh opens 1st till-less store in UK.

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Tankrizzo said:

How do they prevent theft?

How do you prevent theft from your wallet? Touch it and you're paying for it, can it really detect you putting it back. Will it get pricing perfect? How many times have you noticed till prices not match shelf when self-scanning?

As a trial store I image they'll get it right but roll it out to 100s of stores and errors will creep in.

[Terminator X]

Countdown said:

Why would they need a robot when we have these?

Have you ever tried that? It is pigswill compared to the same by a trained barista

TX.

[North West Tom]

Call me a sad bd but this is around the corner from me so I queued for 30 minutes to have a nosy on my lunch break.








Couple of discussion points:

Yes you have a hundred cameras following you, but are you really bothered about your data/privacy when you're posting on Facebook on your iPhone?

There will probably be minimal staff other than security and a couple of assistants. What's more dystopian - that, or working 12 hour shifts for a wage too small to live off?

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North West Tom said:

What's more dystopian - that, or working 12 hour shifts for a wage too small to live off?

But that low skilled shop worker no longer has the 12 hour shift on a wage too small to live on. He is unemployed with no wage.

[citizensm1th]

Ubi will be the answer, work if you want to or sit at home on a grand a month, do away with cash just have electronic payment be that through state or private banks.

It would make crime harder as well

[Gecko1978]

SpeckledJim said:

Technology has been steadily making job roles obsolete for hundreds and hundreds of years, but we still all have a job if we want one.

One man with a tractor can do the work of a dozen men without tractors, but the lanes aren't littered with bored unemployed ploughmen. As a job disappears, another arrives.

Oh I agree but what we are seeing now is a jump in technology. So where as before you made the car by hand now you operate the robot arm on the production line, feed the machine with parts drive the end product away.

We are getting closer to low skilled jobs not being needed. So McDonalds self order sceens and the app. Staff still make the burgers but for how long. Amazon still has a man (women etc) deliver the goods in a van....for how long. Trains have drivers which we know they don't need, taxis arent automated yet but will be same with buses. Shops will need less staff. So where as before factory closed and you miced to another low skilled job in retial etc.low skilled jobs are at risk as a whole.

[Murph7355]

citizensm1th said:

Ubi will be the answer, work if you want to or sit at home on a grand a month, do away with cash just have electronic payment be that through state or private banks.

It would make crime harder as well

Will never happen.

The thread on UBI has links to various studies. But fundamentally it's never been done for any length of time at a national level and I doubt ever will be.

[BritishBlitz87]

citizensm1th said:

Ubi will be the answer, work if you want to or sit at home on a grand a month, do away with cash just have electronic payment be that through state or private banks.

It would make crime harder as well

The problem with that is that people need meaning and purpose in their lives, to feel like they've earned what they've got. You don't get that sitting around watching Netflix watching the money come in. If mass unemployability and UBI become a thing, I suspect we'll see a massive decline in mental health and increase in anti-social behaviour.

[Digger]

North West Tom said:

Call me a sad bd but this is around the corner from me so I queued for 30 minutes to have a nosy on my lunch break.


Couple of discussion points:

Yes you have a hundred cameras following you, but are you really bothered about your data/privacy when you're posting on Facebook on your iPhone?

There will probably be minimal staff other than security and a couple of assistants. What's more dystopian - that, or working 12 hour shifts for a wage too small to live off?

Pricing any good?

[Gecko1978]

alangla said:

A500leroy said:

alangla said:

Tankrizzo said:

How do they prevent theft?

As I understand it, if you've haven't checked in using the app, you don't get through the entrance barrier & once you're in, it knows who picked up what, so stuffing a bottle of Vodka up your jumper will have the same effect as putting it in your shopping bag, i.e. you'll be paying for it.

Presumably they'll have a security guard at the front that stops people jumping the barriers.

What if you check in using the app then turn your phone off when your in there?

No idea, but one would imagine there's a barrier at the exit (to stop people coming in the wrong way) & if your phone isn't on, or has lost contact with the mothership while you're shopping, then you could expect some interest from the security guards.

Decathlon use RIFID in everythjng so you don't scan just put basekt down and its done. My wife bought a bike with lights pedals bottle etc, all was scanned we paid bike was assembled and as we left alarm went off. The bottle in the bottle rack had not been scanned and put on the bike. I assume this store will be similar.

[SpeckledJim]

Gecko1978 said:

SpeckledJim said:

Technology has been steadily making job roles obsolete for hundreds and hundreds of years, but we still all have a job if we want one.

One man with a tractor can do the work of a dozen men without tractors, but the lanes aren't littered with bored unemployed ploughmen. As a job disappears, another arrives.

Oh I agree but what we are seeing now is a jump in technology. So where as before you made the car by hand now you operate the robot arm on the production line, feed the machine with parts drive the end product away.

We are getting closer to low skilled jobs not being needed. So McDonalds self order sceens and the app. Staff still make the burgers but for how long. Amazon still has a man (women etc) deliver the goods in a van....for how long. Trains have drivers which we know they don't need, taxis arent automated yet but will be same with buses. Shops will need less staff. So where as before factory closed and you miced to another low skilled job in retial etc.low skilled jobs are at risk as a whole.

But it's been happening forever.

The automatic telephone exchange was a jump in technology. Some people lost their jobs (and went and got other ones) telephone calls got cheaper and more reliable, and life overall got a little bit better.

The McDonalds touch screens are a jump in technology. Some people lost their jobs (and went and got other ones), and a burger is STILL, after all this time and inflation, only 99p.

We should be mainly unemployed by now, such has technology robbed us of employment. But we're not, because people make jobs. There aren't a fixed number of jobs, being ever eroded by machines.

[paulrockliffe]

I knew about this ages ago through someone who knows someone who knows someone.

It's really neat tech, but I'm happy to carry on getting deliveries, so what I'd like is to be able to use the camera system in my kitchen and pantry so Amazon can work out what I need to buy as I use stuff. Then I can be really lazy and just let them deliver what I need each week, or I can go in and start picking recipes or inputting my own, say what I want to eat all week and have just what I need arrive.

Quite a few hurdles for Amazon to jump with their deliveries though, the one time I used it it was missing loads of stuff and they were selling single carrots at 50p each!

[North West Tom]

Digger said:

Pricing any good?

I got a meal deal and some other stuff that was promo-priced. Looking at the prices on the shelves, it was similar to Tesco prices.

[maffski]

Misanthrope said:

SpeckledJim said:

Technology has been steadily making job roles obsolete for hundreds and hundreds of years, but we still all have a job if we want one.

One man with a tractor can do the work of a dozen men without tractors, but the lanes aren't littered with bored unemployed ploughmen. As a job disappears, another arrives.

Ah, the perpetual optimist. Maybe they should learn to code?

An apt example. Computer used to be a job title.

[citizensm1th]

Murph7355 said:

citizensm1th said:

Ubi will be the answer, work if you want to or sit at home on a grand a month, do away with cash just have electronic payment be that through state or private banks.

It would make crime harder as well

Will never happen.

The thread on UBI has links to various studies. But fundamentally it's never been done for any length of time at a national level and I doubt ever will be.

So get used to ten or twenty million on the dole what's the difference?

[14]

Tesco has a store that has no checkouts, so it’s not exactly a new kind of store in the UK.

[citizensm1th]

BritishBlitz87 said:

citizensm1th said:

Ubi will be the answer, work if you want to or sit at home on a grand a month, do away with cash just have electronic payment be that through state or private banks.

It would make crime harder as well

The problem with that is that people need meaning and purpose in their lives, to feel like they've earned what they've got. You don't get that sitting around watching Netflix watching the money come in. If mass unemployability and UBI become a thing, I suspect we'll see a massive decline in mental health and increase in anti-social behaviour.

People can have meaning that's why I said work if you want to. Some will go even deeper in to hobbies some will do charity type stuff and some will work the feckless will do as the feckless always do and sit watching day time TV.

Just wait until component printing comes of age that will end factories as we know them.

[paulrockliffe]

14 said:

Tesco has a store that has no checkouts, so it’s not exactly a new kind of store in the UK.

Isn't the Tesco setup more that you carry a mini checkout around the store with you?

[HB17]

Used this earlier today and was really easy..scan the code via amazon app and off you go.
My son (8) loved the idea of it..the staff outside kept saying "it's like stealing but not!"... not the most helpful lesson for my son

Receipt via email came about an hour later...pricing was good and with some food freshly prepared (like Pret)

[citizensm1th]

paulrockliffe said:

I knew about this ages ago through someone who knows someone who knows someone.

It's really neat tech, but I'm happy to carry on getting deliveries, so what I'd like is to be able to use the camera system in my kitchen and pantry so Amazon can work out what I need to buy as I use stuff. Then I can be really lazy and just let them deliver what I need each week, or I can go in and start picking recipes or inputting my own, say what I want to eat all week and have just what I need arrive.

Quite a few hurdles for Amazon to jump with their deliveries though, the one time I used it it was missing loads of stuff and they were selling single carrots at 50p each!

Can't you buy a fridge freezer that will do that?



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Edited by citizensm1th on Thursday 4th March 16:55