NHS "Pay Rise" of 1% (real term pay cut)
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Let's start fundraising, suggest everyone who thinks nurses are not paid enough makes an anonymous donation towards a "Nurses' Bonus Fund". Would be interesting to see how many of those saying these things would be prepared to put their money where their mouth is.
Also a good point earlier about the Government not getting involved in pay negotiations, just give the NHS a budget... sack the 3 excess people from your goods-in department? Well done, you can afford 2 more nurses! 12.5% pay rise? Fine, just employ 10% fewer nurses!
Also a good point earlier about the Government not getting involved in pay negotiations, just give the NHS a budget... sack the 3 excess people from your goods-in department? Well done, you can afford 2 more nurses! 12.5% pay rise? Fine, just employ 10% fewer nurses!
p4cks said:
T6 vanman said:
Should firefighters get an extra pay rise because they have to climb ladders & enter burning buildings
Don't get me started on these. Less than 33% of their work is putting out fires and they've far too much spare time on their hands 
OP,
What is your judgement of the previous 3yr pay review
https://www.nhsemployers.org/-/media/Employers/Doc...
What are your comments of the 12% real terms payrise received the last 3 years to this current 1% rise?
What is your comment on the yearly merit/timeserved/performance/band pay rises NHS staff receive?
Do you understand that the 1% rise is pay grade rises , but personal often don't stay on the same pay grade due to inbuilt yearly merit/timeserved/performance/band pay rises and therefore receive well above this headline figure?
Why are you claiming the 1% is a real terms cut when inflation appears to be around 0.5%?
Have you considered the total economy situation when writing your OP?
What are your thoughts and considerations when others on this thread say .... hold on we don't agree with your synoptics of this event?
What is your judgement of the previous 3yr pay review
https://www.nhsemployers.org/-/media/Employers/Doc...
What are your comments of the 12% real terms payrise received the last 3 years to this current 1% rise?
What is your comment on the yearly merit/timeserved/performance/band pay rises NHS staff receive?
Do you understand that the 1% rise is pay grade rises , but personal often don't stay on the same pay grade due to inbuilt yearly merit/timeserved/performance/band pay rises and therefore receive well above this headline figure?
Why are you claiming the 1% is a real terms cut when inflation appears to be around 0.5%?
Have you considered the total economy situation when writing your OP?
What are your thoughts and considerations when others on this thread say .... hold on we don't agree with your synoptics of this event?
T6 vanman said:
p4cks said:
T6 vanman said:
Should firefighters get an extra pay rise because they have to climb ladders & enter burning buildings
Don't get me started on these. Less than 33% of their work is putting out fires and they've far too much spare time on their hands They're a cancer
Good luck expecting anyone to understand the need for financial restraint after the government have just magicked up £400bn out of nothing. Most people are going to wonder why they can't just magic up a few more billion for an NHS pay rise. Especially as they did the same thing (not quite as much, but qualitatively similar) in 2008 to save the banks. And they aren't exactly in a hurry to get it back - most of the tax rises are deferred (well the ones announced so far). This is the problem if you play fast and loose and seem to get away with it - it then becomes normalised.
Ahh the good old Union political football is in play again...12.5% increase...
Not all NHS staff have been on the frontline. If we can actually single out & reward the frontline that would be great.
Many consultants & doctors have been at home doing online consultations for a year.
I know a GP nurse who has had half a normal workload for a year now.
Appreciate the work of the frontline care staff, no doubt about it.
Indeed I appreciate the work of the NHS whilst I was in hospital over Christmas. They did a great job & I didn’t catch Covid as a bonus.
They have a job which only a certain type of loving person can do. I applaud that. I couldn’t do it that’s for sure.
Many people do not have, or very soon, will not have jobs. Things will get very tough for a lot of people very soon.
I would be grateful for any secure job right now.
Things need to be put into perspective IMO.
Not all NHS staff have been on the frontline. If we can actually single out & reward the frontline that would be great.
Many consultants & doctors have been at home doing online consultations for a year.
I know a GP nurse who has had half a normal workload for a year now.
Appreciate the work of the frontline care staff, no doubt about it.
Indeed I appreciate the work of the NHS whilst I was in hospital over Christmas. They did a great job & I didn’t catch Covid as a bonus.
They have a job which only a certain type of loving person can do. I applaud that. I couldn’t do it that’s for sure.
Many people do not have, or very soon, will not have jobs. Things will get very tough for a lot of people very soon.
I would be grateful for any secure job right now.
Things need to be put into perspective IMO.
Not sure I think everyone needs more than one percent but I think if they'd been able to target those who worked on covid wards or in ICU. I think a lot of them have had a really tough 12 months and it would be sensible to reward them for this.
The typical a and e nurse is on £24k p.a. not £36k, and that is not a good salary. I earned that much as a 22 year old 17 years ago.
They don't have to go for an across the board settlement do they?
Where I work we're looking at 1.3% this year as the basic increase but some will get more and some will get less.
The typical a and e nurse is on £24k p.a. not £36k, and that is not a good salary. I earned that much as a 22 year old 17 years ago.
They don't have to go for an across the board settlement do they?
Where I work we're looking at 1.3% this year as the basic increase but some will get more and some will get less.
Gargamel said:
Wage bill for the NHS is 56bn. 1% is roughly 500m give or take, add pension costs etc.
Clearly the Government rake some back in on taxes.
Not "the government will get mostof it back from tax and NI" as some union guy claimed on sky news?Clearly the Government rake some back in on taxes.
Wish he'd been pressed further on that rather eyebrow raising claim. Apart from anything else, it begs the question "why do you want more then if it all evaporates in extra tax"?
p4cks said:
T6 vanman said:
p4cks said:
T6 vanman said:
They're a cancer
The cancer is the media & press who fail to objectively quiz, report, fact check on an immotive subject in an unbiased manner,
Clearly the OP has a bee in their bonnet and that bee has been whipped up by someone .... The news story should be ... based on the above (my previous post NHS details/ONS inflation figure + others state of the economy + private sector workers situation) why are the unions demanding a 12.5% increase??
From there we move to the government pay review 1%.
The cancer also starts with the OP and his inability to recognise reality
Quisling said:
Finding it hard to care to be honest
I think MANY would love a guaranteed job with a guaranteed pay rise every year
NHS pay structure doesn't work like that.I think MANY would love a guaranteed job with a guaranteed pay rise every year
Once you get to top of band 5 your increments stop until you can find a band 6 job to apply for and get, that if one comes up and you want the extra responsibility. Then when you get to top of band 6 you'll only progress to 7 if a job comes up, and you get it. Then band 7 yearly pay increment is zero for the first 3 yrs, then in yr 4 and 5 you get a small bump. Similar happens at band 8 and above.
Basically, starting from the bottom you get a decent rise every year but it quickly slows to nil if you're not prepared to upskill or change roles. And not all have the aptitude and desire to do that.
Edited by dave_s13 on Friday 5th March 20:10
I can only mirror what several other posters have already said.
NHS =
Total job security.
Almost annual pay rises irrespective of performance.
Mass bureaucracy to hide behind in the event of f
k-ups.
The NHS aren’t the only ones to have worked throughout lockdown. You can add to that list Coppers, Firemen, mechanics, trukkies, supermarket workers, National Grid, some manufacturing, etc, etc.
My Wife has worked entirely throughout lockdown, (specialist manufacturing). Do you know how’s she’s been rewarded?
Her firm got bought out by one of their customers and they all turned up to work one day to find the place had been closed down and everyone was out of a job.
I haven’t got enough fingers and toes to count the amount of people I personally know who’ve lost their jobs during the course of 2020.
Personally I think the NHS should be greatfull that they’re getting a pay rise at all considering the state of the nations finances when it’s likely we’ll see tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands more losing their jobs over the course of the next 12 months.
NHS =
Total job security.
Almost annual pay rises irrespective of performance.
Mass bureaucracy to hide behind in the event of f
k-ups.The NHS aren’t the only ones to have worked throughout lockdown. You can add to that list Coppers, Firemen, mechanics, trukkies, supermarket workers, National Grid, some manufacturing, etc, etc.
My Wife has worked entirely throughout lockdown, (specialist manufacturing). Do you know how’s she’s been rewarded?
Her firm got bought out by one of their customers and they all turned up to work one day to find the place had been closed down and everyone was out of a job.
I haven’t got enough fingers and toes to count the amount of people I personally know who’ve lost their jobs during the course of 2020.
Personally I think the NHS should be greatfull that they’re getting a pay rise at all considering the state of the nations finances when it’s likely we’ll see tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands more losing their jobs over the course of the next 12 months.
MonkeyBusiness said:
Let's not forget everywhere you look the NHS are getting discounts for simply doing their job.
You've had a difficult 12 months? Haven't we all.
As are education.You've had a difficult 12 months? Haven't we all.
But not asked for, not wanted, not needed. Pure virtue signalling by the firms involved.
I'm feel hugely lucky to have a job I love in the NHS that pays well enough and is secure. That shouldn't breed resentment toward me and people similar to me.
Don't hate the player etc.....
I don't agree with the 1%. Why are nurses different to other public servants.
I do think the nhs hospital and frontline staff (including Doctors, Ambulance, Paramedics, Porters and Cleaners) who were involved in Covid care should get a bonus. If it's financial then it should be noticeable and tax free.
I do not think all NHS staff should get it etc.
Basically an extra reward for their personal risk.
I do think the nhs hospital and frontline staff (including Doctors, Ambulance, Paramedics, Porters and Cleaners) who were involved in Covid care should get a bonus. If it's financial then it should be noticeable and tax free.
I do not think all NHS staff should get it etc.
Basically an extra reward for their personal risk.
As Tonker already said, if you want to reward and incentivise someone for an extra big effort, you pay them a bonus. Salaries should reflect supply and demand in the labour market. If you can't retain or hire enough people to do a particular job, then you need to offer more cash. That's the sensible argument for raising salaries in the NHS. Saying "we all worked extra hard last year, therefore we deserve a salary rise" is bilge and if Joe Public would engage their brains, they'd treat the demand and the organisations making them with the contempt they deserve. They are using crass emotional and political blackmail.
105.4 said:
I can only mirror what several other posters have already said.
NHS =
Total job security.
Almost annual pay rises irrespective of performance.
Mass bureaucracy to hide behind in the event of fk-ups.
The NHS aren’t the only ones to have worked throughout lockdown. You can add to that list Coppers, Firemen, mechanics, trukkies, supermarket workers, National Grid, some manufacturing, etc, etc.
My Wife has worked entirely throughout lockdown, (specialist manufacturing). Do you know how’s she’s been rewarded?
Her firm got bought out by one of their customers and they all turned up to work one day to find the place had been closed down and everyone was out of a job.
I haven’t got enough fingers and toes to count the amount of people I personally know who’ve lost their jobs during the course of 2020.
Personally I think the NHS should be greatfull that they’re getting a pay rise at all considering the state of the nations finances when it’s likely we’ll see tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands more losing their jobs over the course of the next 12 months.
Yup.NHS =
Total job security.
Almost annual pay rises irrespective of performance.
Mass bureaucracy to hide behind in the event of f
k-ups.The NHS aren’t the only ones to have worked throughout lockdown. You can add to that list Coppers, Firemen, mechanics, trukkies, supermarket workers, National Grid, some manufacturing, etc, etc.
My Wife has worked entirely throughout lockdown, (specialist manufacturing). Do you know how’s she’s been rewarded?
Her firm got bought out by one of their customers and they all turned up to work one day to find the place had been closed down and everyone was out of a job.
I haven’t got enough fingers and toes to count the amount of people I personally know who’ve lost their jobs during the course of 2020.
Personally I think the NHS should be greatfull that they’re getting a pay rise at all considering the state of the nations finances when it’s likely we’ll see tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands more losing their jobs over the course of the next 12 months.
I’m a driving instructor. I spent last year teaching key workers.
At least 5, a couple of Drs and Surgeons who were Covid+ during intensive lessons (4hours a day) to pass tests. (They didn’t know it at the time) I picked up nothing.
I’m not in the vulnerable age group. I wear glasses, I also smoke (apparently a good thing)
However, 1 of my pupils has gone on to write the protocols for how to deal with intubation and if/when necessary.
The other is a Cardiac surgeon.
Both have said that they couldn’t take up their posts if I didn’t help them pass. Driving was a necessary requirement of them moving to the Hospitals they’re now in. Hard to get in, if you’re in the arse end of beyond at 2am, waiting for a bus.
I’m now waiting for some support. Next grant for me is in 8 weeks.
I don’t want grants or handouts, I want to just get back to work.
Visited a food bank today.
I’ve £7 in the bank and at least 4 weeks to restart my business. No income since December.
I’ve a 77 year old Mum to look after who’s starting to dement and my 6 years old for 3.5 days a week.
I’ve no sympathy for those who are fully employed.
Edited by TVR1 on Friday 5th March 20:25
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