Missing Woman Sarah Everard

[poo at Paul's]

Worrying development on this case this evening. Serving Met Officer arrested according to BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56342465

[Mezzanine]

Doesn’t sound good from any angle.

[anonymous-user]

The speed in which it appears to have been ramped up from the start was never a good indication.

Sounds an interesting investigation. Unfortunately probably a homicide one.

[sutoka]

Wonder if the officer is the boyfriend she supposedly spent 15 minutes on the phone with.

Wouldn't be the first Met Officer accused murder/manslaughter and certainly won't be the last. Police officers are just normal people outside of their uniform, they commit acts like normal people and that includes heinous acts.

[Petrus1983]

It was never looking overly positive but this is a sad twist.

[Piginapoke]

sutoka said:

Wonder if the officer is the boyfriend she supposedly spent 15 minutes on the phone with.

He's not. That's unhelpful speculation in the circumstances.

[BadBull]

Police are no better than anyone else, despite what they themselves think.

Poor girl.

[sutoka]

Piginapoke said:

sutoka said:

Wonder if the officer is the boyfriend she supposedly spent 15 minutes on the phone with.

He's not. That's unhelpful speculation in the circumstances.

That's what people do, speculate, you have no more information than the general public or press so cool your jets.

I haven't mentioned names, I haven't libelled anyone.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

I was amazed that someone could simply vanish off the streets from somewhere I thought would be as heavily CCTV'd as central London. I simply presumed that she had walked into Clapham Common and never came out (although I haven't exactly been following the story).


Strange that a woman has been arrested for assisting too, as above, it didn't look great before but it certainly doesn't look any better now.

[HappyClappy]

La Liga said:

The speed in which it appears to have been ramped up from the start was never a good indication.

Sounds an interesting investigation. Unfortunately probably a homicide one.

Yeah I was surprised at how quickly they were out with the search and rescue and diving in the ponds.

I live quite local and judging on where she was last seen on the doorbell camera at 9.30pm I would be searching the Church on the corner of Rudloe Rd which is currently all bordered up for demolition.

Edited by HappyClappy on Wednesday 10th March 07:12

[milkround]

HappyClappy said:

Yeah I was surprised at how quickly they were out with the search and rescue and diving in the ponds.

I live quite local and judging on where she was last seen on the doorbell camera at 9.30pm I would be searching the Church on the corner of Rudloe Rd which is currently all bordered up for demolition.

Edited by HappyClappy on Wednesday 10th March 07:12

The police will know where her phone was up to the point it lost signal or was switched off. That doesn’t tell you if it remained with her. How accurately they know that depends on the phone and what settings are configured in the phone.

Assuming an iPhone and assuming find my iPhone is switched on (which is is automatically I think). Then they will know exactly what route she took and exactly where and at what time things went ‘odd’. Apple will release this info nearly immediately to the police in an emergency situation and have a 24 hour team to do so. (I was told that by apple when I was failing a phd in a related field).

I’m not sure if google do something similar but I’m nearly certain they will. Even if they needed to rely on triangulation of masts they will still know.

They will know loads more than they are telling us. But the dogs in the boat are not a good sign. I really hope she turns up safe.

[Tankrizzo]

I wondered whether she was hit and killed by a car and the person has panicked and done a runner with her body. It's complete speculation but the fact they've also arrested a woman makes me wonder.

It really doesn't look good for the poor victim though.

[hyphen]

sutoka said:

Police officers are just normal people outside of their uniform, they commit acts like normal people and that includes heinous acts.

It does attract a percentage who seek the power and authority of the badge.

But important to say that the officer has just been arrested, could be let go.

[hyphen]

milkround said:

The police will know where her phone was up to the point it lost signal or was switched off. That doesn’t tell you if it remained with her. How accurately they know that depends on the phone and what settings are configured in the phone.

Assuming an iPhone and assuming find my iPhone is switched on (which is is automatically I think). Then they will know exactly what route she took and exactly where and at what time things went ‘odd’. Apple will release this info nearly immediately to the police in an emergency situation and have a 24 hour team to do so. (I was told that by apple when I was failing a phd in a related field).

I’m not sure if google do something similar but I’m nearly certain they will. Even if they needed to rely on triangulation of masts they will still know.

They will know loads more than they are telling us. But the dogs in the boat are not a good sign. I really hope she turns up safe.

The officer arrested, any career crim, and anyone bit geeky would know this.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

milkround said:

HappyClappy said:

Yeah I was surprised at how quickly they were out with the search and rescue and diving in the ponds.

I live quite local and judging on where she was last seen on the doorbell camera at 9.30pm I would be searching the Church on the corner of Rudloe Rd which is currently all bordered up for demolition.

Edited by HappyClappy on Wednesday 10th March 07:12

The police will know where her phone was up to the point it lost signal or was switched off. That doesn’t tell you if it remained with her. How accurately they know that depends on the phone and what settings are configured in the phone.

Assuming an iPhone and assuming find my iPhone is switched on (which is is automatically I think). Then they will know exactly what route she took and exactly where and at what time things went ‘odd’. Apple will release this info nearly immediately to the police in an emergency situation and have a 24 hour team to do so. (I was told that by apple when I was failing a phd in a related field).

I’m not sure if google do something similar but I’m nearly certain they will. Even if they needed to rely on triangulation of masts they will still know.

They will know loads more than they are telling us. But the dogs in the boat are not a good sign. I really hope she turns up safe.

Police said her phone (photos of her phone show a late model iPhone) signal was lost at Clarence Avenue although I've no idea where that is in relation to everything else. It's strange that they thought she may have walked through Clapham Common and have been searching there despite her last sighting being a fair distance on the map from there-and closer to her home so presumably later on her journey.

[milkround]

Why are they saying the women has been arrested for assisting an offender. But not exactly saying what this police officer has been arrested for? I’m wondering why they would t release that information.

I’m not knocking the police. But I’m more used to them saying a person has been arrested for a certain offence. And I assumed you had to arrest for an offence. It’s either abduction or murder. Doesn’t really matter but it seems very odd.

[The Mad Monk]

milkround said:

The police will know where her phone was up to the point it lost signal or was switched off. That doesn’t tell you if it remained with her. How accurately they know that depends on the phone and what settings are configured in the phone.

Assuming an iPhone and assuming find my iPhone is switched on (which is is automatically I think). Then they will know exactly what route she took and exactly where and at what time things went ‘odd’. Apple will release this info nearly immediately to the police in an emergency situation and have a 24 hour team to do so. (I was told that by apple when I was failing a phd in a related field).

I’m not sure if google do something similar but I’m nearly certain they will. Even if they needed to rely on triangulation of masts they will still know.

They will know loads more than they are telling us. But the dogs in the boat are not a good sign. I really hope she turns up safe.

How did you get from taking - and failing - PhDs to driving a lorry?

[Dibble]

milkround said:

The police will know where her phone was up to the point it lost signal or was switched off. That doesn’t tell you if it remained with her. How accurately they know that depends on the phone and what settings are configured in the phone.

Assuming an iPhone and assuming find my iPhone is switched on (which is is automatically I think). Then they will know exactly what route she took and exactly where and at what time things went ‘odd’. Apple will release this info nearly immediately to the police in an emergency situation and have a 24 hour team to do so. (I was told that by apple when I was failing a phd in a related field).

I’m not sure if google do something similar but I’m nearly certain they will. Even if they needed to rely on triangulation of masts they will still know.

They will know loads more than they are telling us. But the dogs in the boat are not a good sign. I really hope she turns up safe.

The police have as much chance of getting timely, useful information from Apple as they do from eBay or Facebook. So marginally less than fk all.

Apple don’t have access to the “find my”, unless they have the Apple ID and associated password, which is pretty unlikely. Someone known to/trusted by the owner is more likely to have that information. Even getting hold of the actual phone itself wouldn’t necessarily give access to that information.

I was surprised that there was so much early activity, as there are lots of people who go missing and don’t get that level of attention from the police. As always, there is obviously something known to (or at least suspected by) the enquiry team that isn’t in the public domain. It’d definitely be an interesting enquiry to work on (from a professional angle).

If a cop is involved in her disappearance and/or covering up what has happened to her, then I sincerely hope he gets dealt with appropriately. The arrests won’t have been made on a whim and the release of this information shows how seriously it’s being taken.

I may well be a cynical, jaundiced cop, but for someone like her (no sort of prior indication, no obvious reasons) to drop off the face of the earth like she has is unusual. I think the likelihood of her turning up unharmed is pretty close to zero and the longer she is missing, the slimmer that small chance gets. If she is dead/has been murdered, I hope she’s found for her family’s sake. I’d be more than happy to be wrong and for her to turn up safe and well.

[Taylor James]

Dibble said:

milkround said:

The police will know where her phone was up to the point it lost signal or was switched off. That doesn’t tell you if it remained with her. How accurately they know that depends on the phone and what settings are configured in the phone.

Assuming an iPhone and assuming find my iPhone is switched on (which is is automatically I think). Then they will know exactly what route she took and exactly where and at what time things went ‘odd’. Apple will release this info nearly immediately to the police in an emergency situation and have a 24 hour team to do so. (I was told that by apple when I was failing a phd in a related field).

I’m not sure if google do something similar but I’m nearly certain they will. Even if they needed to rely on triangulation of masts they will still know.

They will know loads more than they are telling us. But the dogs in the boat are not a good sign. I really hope she turns up safe.

The police have as much chance of getting timely, useful information from Apple as they do from eBay or Facebook. So marginally less than fk all.

Apple don’t have access to the “find my”, unless they have the Apple ID and associated password, which is pretty unlikely. Someone known to/trusted by the owner is more likely to have that information. Even getting hold of the actual phone itself wouldn’t necessarily give access to that information.

I was surprised that there was so much early activity, as there are lots of people who go missing and don’t get that level of attention from the police. As always, there is obviously something known to (or at least suspected by) the enquiry team that isn’t in the public domain. It’d definitely be an interesting enquiry to work on (from a professional angle).

If a cop is involved in her disappearance and/or covering up what has happened to her, then I sincerely hope he gets dealt with appropriately. The arrests won’t have been made on a whim and the release of this information shows how seriously it’s being taken.

I may well be a cynical, jaundiced cop, but for someone like her (no sort of prior indication, no obvious reasons) to drop off the face of the earth like she has is unusual. I think the likelihood of her turning up unharmed is pretty close to zero and the longer she is missing, the slimmer that small chance gets. If she is dead/has been murdered, I hope she’s found for her family’s sake. I’d be more than happy to be wrong and for her to turn up safe and well.

As always - informative, so thanks. I see what you mean about the high level of activity and publicity very early on. I have somewhat cynically observed to my oh that it wouldn't happen if I went missing but she reckons being young and female would explain this case. Not sure myself. Leaving aside the 'find me' type stuff, would the phone log be available very quickly? Seems to me that could show up any relevant associations quicker than almost anything. And would serving officers' numbers be held anywhere centrally to allow for a quick cross reference?

[anonymous-user]

Taylor James said:

Dibble said:

milkround said:

The police will know where her phone was up to the point it lost signal or was switched off. That doesn’t tell you if it remained with her. How accurately they know that depends on the phone and what settings are configured in the phone.

Assuming an iPhone and assuming find my iPhone is switched on (which is is automatically I think). Then they will know exactly what route she took and exactly where and at what time things went ‘odd’. Apple will release this info nearly immediately to the police in an emergency situation and have a 24 hour team to do so. (I was told that by apple when I was failing a phd in a related field).

I’m not sure if google do something similar but I’m nearly certain they will. Even if they needed to rely on triangulation of masts they will still know.

They will know loads more than they are telling us. But the dogs in the boat are not a good sign. I really hope she turns up safe.

The police have as much chance of getting timely, useful information from Apple as they do from eBay or Facebook. So marginally less than fk all.

Apple don’t have access to the “find my”, unless they have the Apple ID and associated password, which is pretty unlikely. Someone known to/trusted by the owner is more likely to have that information. Even getting hold of the actual phone itself wouldn’t necessarily give access to that information.

I was surprised that there was so much early activity, as there are lots of people who go missing and don’t get that level of attention from the police. As always, there is obviously something known to (or at least suspected by) the enquiry team that isn’t in the public domain. It’d definitely be an interesting enquiry to work on (from a professional angle).

If a cop is involved in her disappearance and/or covering up what has happened to her, then I sincerely hope he gets dealt with appropriately. The arrests won’t have been made on a whim and the release of this information shows how seriously it’s being taken.

I may well be a cynical, jaundiced cop, but for someone like her (no sort of prior indication, no obvious reasons) to drop off the face of the earth like she has is unusual. I think the likelihood of her turning up unharmed is pretty close to zero and the longer she is missing, the slimmer that small chance gets. If she is dead/has been murdered, I hope she’s found for her family’s sake. I’d be more than happy to be wrong and for her to turn up safe and well.

As always - informative, so thanks. I see what you mean about the high level of activity and publicity very early on. I have somewhat cynically observed to my oh that it wouldn't happen if I went missing but she reckons being young and female would explain this case. Not sure myself. Leaving aside the 'find me' type stuff, would the phone log be available very quickly? Seems to me that could show up any relevant associations quicker than almost anything. And would serving officers' numbers be held anywhere centrally to allow for a quick cross reference?

Phone work is my area of business. We work with communications service providers under a working agreement where the severity of the threat equals a faster response from them. A grade 1 would be an urgent threat to life which this clearly would be and I'd expect data back within minutes depending upon which provider we're using and what data we're requesting. Getting authority for that data is also streamlined for the most serious offences where a verbal authority can be given to remove the form filling and save time.

The only thing which slows the process down is reading the data. It's not quite as simple as triangulation like you see in films where a system gives a lovely flashing dot on a screen!