Missing Woman Sarah Everard
Discussion
milkround said:
Why can you not have your medication? I’m sure there is a reasonable answer. But it seems a bit harsh to me.
I’ve recently hurt my shoulder. And have been prescribed some medicine to relax the muscle. Without the meds I’d be highly uncomfortable. And I’m not sure I’d think it was fair to leave me like that just because I’d been arrested.
I can sort of see why they’d not want me to take the codene as it tools knock you out a bit. But the naproxen just stops pain and doesn’t make your drowsy.
This 'medicine' is heroin, etc. Prescription stuff, no problem, there are on site/call medics. I’ve recently hurt my shoulder. And have been prescribed some medicine to relax the muscle. Without the meds I’d be highly uncomfortable. And I’m not sure I’d think it was fair to leave me like that just because I’d been arrested.
I can sort of see why they’d not want me to take the codene as it tools knock you out a bit. But the naproxen just stops pain and doesn’t make your drowsy.
It was a fascinating experience. You get to see the real underbelly of society.
milkround said:
Why can you not have your medication? I’m sure there is a reasonable answer. But it seems a bit harsh to me.
I’ve recently hurt my shoulder. And have been prescribed some medicine to relax the muscle. Without the meds I’d be highly uncomfortable. And I’m not sure I’d think it was fair to leave me like that just because I’d been arrested.
I can sort of see why they’d not want me to take the codene as it tools knock you out a bit. But the naproxen just stops pain and doesn’t make your drowsy.
I don’t know if it’s the same in every force, but you can have meds down here if they are prescribed to you and in the box. Loose tablets in a box are a no no as we don’t know what they are. I’ve recently hurt my shoulder. And have been prescribed some medicine to relax the muscle. Without the meds I’d be highly uncomfortable. And I’m not sure I’d think it was fair to leave me like that just because I’d been arrested.
I can sort of see why they’d not want me to take the codene as it tools knock you out a bit. But the naproxen just stops pain and doesn’t make your drowsy.
Have to be seen by the nurse on duty first who gets the final say.
milkround said:
eldar said:
I spent 8 years unannounced and randomly turning up at custody suites to make sure the detainees weren't being beaten up. Boringly, they weren't, most complaints were not being allowed to smoke, take their "medicine" or have pizza for supper*.
Why can you not have your medication? I’m sure there is a reasonable answer. But it seems a bit harsh to me. - i recommend the Kosher diet if detained, its usually fresh, rather than microwaved.
I’ve recently hurt my shoulder. And have been prescribed some medicine to relax the muscle. Without the meds I’d be highly uncomfortable. And I’m not sure I’d think it was fair to leave me like that just because I’d been arrested.
I can sort of see why they’d not want me to take the codene as it tools knock you out a bit. But the naproxen just stops pain and doesn’t make your drowsy.
On arrival detainees are asked medical questions and if there is even the slightest concern they will be seen by an independent doctor or in some places a custody nurse
Any prescription medication will be sourced and given under medical supervision .. If a doctor says they should have it they will get it, either by sending someone to the home address to collect or by emergency prescription from the on call doctor
If there is ANY concern over the fitness to detain then it will be dealt with either by the detainee being taken to hospital or in some cases released and dealt with in an alternative manner
I’ve even had one occasion a doctor write a prescription for special brew when we had a guy in custody with an alcohol dependency so severe that if he sobered up it could have killed him .. so a cop was dispatched to the offy to buy a six pack
It’s all managed and recorded .. and if there is a reason why medication is refused it will be fully documented
Some “medication” might not be “medication” in the accepted sense though which can be problematic
Durzel said:
I'm probably wrong but assuming the conversation met the standard for privileged information the barrister (or whoever is representing) would have the option of either:
- Defending the client to the best of their ability (it is the burden of the prosecution to prove guilt, not the defence to prove innocence)
- Withdrawing from the case
They can't just grass their client up.
Their only option is to withdraw from the case and it is probably pretty obvious to everyone involved what has occurred.- Defending the client to the best of their ability (it is the burden of the prosecution to prove guilt, not the defence to prove innocence)
- Withdrawing from the case
They can't just grass their client up.
The Spruce Goose said:
My question is what makes a policeman do this, i mean was it a one off or preplanned.
There doesn't seem to be any real suggestion that he's kidnapped, raped and killed before but I reckon it's a foregone conclusion that he'll have some pretty bad s
t come out after he's sent down. He's already known to be a flasher and that won't be the limit to it. At the very least he'll have been treating his wife/family like crap for years. Edited by AJL308 on Wednesday 9th June 16:57
Al Gorithum said:
IIRC I think the Perp is married with kids. If so, I wonder what they're thinking?
I often wonder about this too. The children are also being punished for his crime. I remember when I was in secondary school two or three brothers suddenly disappeared mid term. Their father had been found guilty of fraud and was sent to prison for several years. The school fees were paid from the proceeds of his fraud - in fact it funded their entire lifestyle.Kids can be evil, moving them away from the school and gossip would have been required. It's also difficult to turn off your love for a parent I suppose.
SD.
shed driver said:
Al Gorithum said:
IIRC I think the Perp is married with kids. If so, I wonder what they're thinking?
I often wonder about this too. The children are also being punished for his crime. I remember when I was in secondary school two or three brothers suddenly disappeared mid term. Their father had been found guilty of fraud and was sent to prison for several years. The school fees were paid from the proceeds of his fraud - in fact it funded their entire lifestyle.Kids can be evil, moving them away from the school and gossip would have been required. It's also difficult to turn off your love for a parent I suppose.
SD.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/baby-killer-...
AJL308 said:
There doesn't seem to be any real suggestion that he's kidnapped, raped and killed before but I reckon it's a foregone conclusion that he'll have some pretty bad st come out after he's sent down. He's already known to be a flasher and that won't be the limit to it. At the very least he'll have been treating his wife/family like crap for years.
Which, as has been mentioned, raises the question of why he was (relatively recently) employed as a policeman. Did they do the DBS check?t come out after he's sent down. He's already known to be a flasher and that won't be the limit to it. At the very least he'll have been treating his wife/family like crap for years. Edited by AJL308 on Wednesday 9th June 16:57
shed driver said:
Al Gorithum said:
IIRC I think the Perp is married with kids. If so, I wonder what they're thinking?
I often wonder about this too. The children are also being punished for his crime. I remember when I was in secondary school two or three brothers suddenly disappeared mid term. Their father had been found guilty of fraud and was sent to prison for several years. The school fees were paid from the proceeds of his fraud - in fact it funded their entire lifestyle.Kids can be evil, moving them away from the school and gossip would have been required. It's also difficult to turn off your love for a parent I suppose.
SD.
The question most ask, sooner or later, is 'What did we do wrong?'. The vast majority blame themselves, and delve into their memory for the critical decision that was wrong. You'd be surprised how often the parents of 'regulars' end up offering the officers who come round to search bedrooms and garages a cup of tea. I know one who'd borrowed so much money to get his kid out of trouble that he'd ended up going to a local loan shark as no one else would lend money. Nice couple. The other kids were decent enough.
As regards wifey/husband of adults, they signed up for whatever when they got married. We all make mistakes. We all have to pay for them. Any kids, on the other hand, had no choices. They suffer for reasons outside their control and are the ones that you end up feeling sorry for.
M4cruiser said:
AJL308 said:
There doesn't seem to be any real suggestion that he's kidnapped, raped and killed before but I reckon it's a foregone conclusion that he'll have some pretty bad st come out after he's sent down. He's already known to be a flasher and that won't be the limit to it. At the very least he'll have been treating his wife/family like crap for years.
Which, as has been mentioned, raises the question of why he was (relatively recently) employed as a policeman. Did they do the DBS check?t come out after he's sent down. He's already known to be a flasher and that won't be the limit to it. At the very least he'll have been treating his wife/family like crap for years. Edited by AJL308 on Wednesday 9th June 16:57
AJL308 said:
Getting into the police is tough - there is pretty much no chance that he wasn't extensively checked out. I'm not suggesting that he has a criminal record or allegations of crime known officially prior to joining the police, rather that there will be loads in his past and probably a lot more recently which will come to light.
Nowhere near as tough as it used to be ! The level of checks and vetting has been massively reduced in recent years
It may be that Cousins dodged full vetting by going from Special Constable to a non Home Office Police Force and then transferring laterally into the Met as a firearms officer as the Met were desperate to uplift the firearms capability
Who knows, it may come out
Many years ago, circa 1995, I used to sit on interview panels for new recruits to the police. One chap that we rejected had a conviction for obtaining a passport by deception.
The checks had been done, the printout was in front of us.
The recruitment department had offered him an interview regardless.
Even then I was wondering what the world was coming to.
( The bloke was clearly unsuitable even if he hadn't got a criminal record)
The checks had been done, the printout was in front of us.
The recruitment department had offered him an interview regardless.
Even then I was wondering what the world was coming to.
( The bloke was clearly unsuitable even if he hadn't got a criminal record)
I thought the only requirement these days is you have the correct opinions and haven’t posted anything controversial on social media.
He looks like a roid head to me judging on pics of him when he joined and later when he was arrested. The links between abuse of steroids and sexual violence are well known.
Perhaps the culture of steroid abuse in the police has a part to play.
He looks like a roid head to me judging on pics of him when he joined and later when he was arrested. The links between abuse of steroids and sexual violence are well known.
Perhaps the culture of steroid abuse in the police has a part to play.
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