Derek Chauvin Trial
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Minnesota prosecutors have asked the judge to sentence Derek Chauvin to 30 years in prison, saying that he "brutally murdered" George Floyd and that his conduct "shocked the nation's conscience."
https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profil...
https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profil...
Byker28i said:
Minnesota prosecutors have asked the judge to sentence Derek Chauvin to 30 years in prison, saying that he "brutally murdered" George Floyd and that his conduct "shocked the nation's conscience."
https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profil...
Whatever sentence he gets, there won’t be one single day in the rest of his life in which he doesn’t regret the choice he made that day to squeeze the life out of George Floyd.https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profil...
I doubt his regret will extend to sympathy for Mr Floyd as I don’t think he cares even now about his victim, but he won’t be able to forget his actions that day.
Personally, I find this case - https://apnews.com/article/arrests-death-of-ronald... - far more concerning than the Chauvin/Floyd one.
Driver fails to stop, is chased by police then gives up. Doesn't violently resist, but is tased and beaten, then dies. His family were initially told he died in the crash, later revised to the claim he died on the way to hospital after a brief struggle with officers. The very graphic photo on that link shows the results of the 'struggle'...
Police failed to turn over any of the expected routine documents to the coroner, so the autopsy wasn't able to be completed fully. They didn't even open an investigation into his death for over a year. Body cam footage was withheld and the senior officer on seen even denied it existing, despite his own bodycam capturing him pointing to his camera.. He still hasn't faced any sanctions for that.
Driver fails to stop, is chased by police then gives up. Doesn't violently resist, but is tased and beaten, then dies. His family were initially told he died in the crash, later revised to the claim he died on the way to hospital after a brief struggle with officers. The very graphic photo on that link shows the results of the 'struggle'...
Police failed to turn over any of the expected routine documents to the coroner, so the autopsy wasn't able to be completed fully. They didn't even open an investigation into his death for over a year. Body cam footage was withheld and the senior officer on seen even denied it existing, despite his own bodycam capturing him pointing to his camera.. He still hasn't faced any sanctions for that.
rscott said:
Personally, I find this case - https://apnews.com/article/arrests-death-of-ronald... - far more concerning than the Chauvin/Floyd one.
Driver fails to stop, is chased by police then gives up. Doesn't violently resist, but is tased and beaten, then dies. His family were initially told he died in the crash, later revised to the claim he died on the way to hospital after a brief struggle with officers. The very graphic photo on that link shows the results of the 'struggle'...
Police failed to turn over any of the expected routine documents to the coroner, so the autopsy wasn't able to be completed fully. They didn't even open an investigation into his death for over a year. Body cam footage was withheld and the senior officer on seen even denied it existing, despite his own bodycam capturing him pointing to his camera.. He still hasn't faced any sanctions for that.
Further proving that it's not just a few bad individual cops in the US police forces, but it's so widespread to the extent that it must be viewed as an institutional failing in many of the thousands of individual police forces that make up the US.Driver fails to stop, is chased by police then gives up. Doesn't violently resist, but is tased and beaten, then dies. His family were initially told he died in the crash, later revised to the claim he died on the way to hospital after a brief struggle with officers. The very graphic photo on that link shows the results of the 'struggle'...
Police failed to turn over any of the expected routine documents to the coroner, so the autopsy wasn't able to be completed fully. They didn't even open an investigation into his death for over a year. Body cam footage was withheld and the senior officer on seen even denied it existing, despite his own bodycam capturing him pointing to his camera.. He still hasn't faced any sanctions for that.
Byker28i said:
Minnesota prosecutors have asked the judge to sentence Derek Chauvin to 30 years in prison, saying that he "brutally murdered" George Floyd and that his conduct "shocked the nation's conscience."
https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profil...
So not politically biased at all then?https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profil...
I know it an be difficult to assess cold, hard facts when emotions are running high and the media and politicians are whipping things up, but true justice simply cannot be administered under such emotional circumstances.
This simply wasn’t Rodney King 2.0.
Evanivitch said:
rscott said:
Personally, I find this case - https://apnews.com/article/arrests-death-of-ronald... - far more concerning than the Chauvin/Floyd one.
Driver fails to stop, is chased by police then gives up. Doesn't violently resist, but is tased and beaten, then dies. His family were initially told he died in the crash, later revised to the claim he died on the way to hospital after a brief struggle with officers. The very graphic photo on that link shows the results of the 'struggle'...
Police failed to turn over any of the expected routine documents to the coroner, so the autopsy wasn't able to be completed fully. They didn't even open an investigation into his death for over a year. Body cam footage was withheld and the senior officer on seen even denied it existing, despite his own bodycam capturing him pointing to his camera.. He still hasn't faced any sanctions for that.
Further proving that it's not just a few bad individual cops in the US police forces, but it's so widespread to the extent that it must be viewed as an institutional failing in many of the thousands of individual police forces that make up the US.Driver fails to stop, is chased by police then gives up. Doesn't violently resist, but is tased and beaten, then dies. His family were initially told he died in the crash, later revised to the claim he died on the way to hospital after a brief struggle with officers. The very graphic photo on that link shows the results of the 'struggle'...
Police failed to turn over any of the expected routine documents to the coroner, so the autopsy wasn't able to be completed fully. They didn't even open an investigation into his death for over a year. Body cam footage was withheld and the senior officer on seen even denied it existing, despite his own bodycam capturing him pointing to his camera.. He still hasn't faced any sanctions for that.
Deliberately mislabelling body cam footage, for example, so it wasn't linked to assaults.
https://apnews.com/article/la-state-wire-louisiana...
N7GTX said:
Christ, an award for doing what everyone with a smart phone does nowadays. What's courageous about it? It was all captured on the street cameras anyway.
Ever been black before? In America? While witnessing what was essentially a murder, by police who murder blacks regularly and get away with it? Thought not - it makes you unqualified to judge.ReverendCounter said:
Ever been black before? In America? While witnessing what was essentially a murder, by police who murder blacks regularly and get away with it? Thought not - it makes you unqualified to judge.
Yep, I agree. I think it took a great deal of courage for her to stand that close to the scene and openly record what happened.
Derek Chauvin may well have escaped justice without the outrage sparked by her video, which captured the whole nine critical minutes without pause.
There was other footage and of course the police body-worn camera footage, but I think that without her video, viewed by millions, and showing excessive, unnecessary and disproportionate force being applied to a handcuffed man in the prone position and recording the moment of his death so graphically, that George Floyd’s death might well have gone relatively unnoticed - like so many other deaths at the hands of the US police. The testimony of the bystanders would have been summarily dismissed by the police and the whole thing swept under the carpet. Her video prevented that happening here.
I think she deserves recognition for this.
FazerBoy said:
ReverendCounter said:
Ever been black before? In America? While witnessing what was essentially a murder, by police who murder blacks regularly and get away with it? Thought not - it makes you unqualified to judge.
Yep, I agree. I think it took a great deal of courage for her to stand that close to the scene and openly record what happened.
Derek Chauvin may well have escaped justice without the outrage sparked by her video, which captured the whole nine critical minutes without pause.
There was other footage and of course the police body-worn camera footage, but I think that without her video, viewed by millions, and showing excessive, unnecessary and disproportionate force being applied to a handcuffed man in the prone position and recording the moment of his death so graphically, that George Floyd’s death might well have gone relatively unnoticed - like so many other deaths at the hands of the US police. The testimony of the bystanders would have been summarily dismissed by the police and the whole thing swept under the carpet. Her video prevented that happening here.
I think she deserves recognition for this.
A lass at 17 changed the world with her actions. Her evidence was crucial to securing the conviction of a murderer. Subsequently she has been harassed both by people who think she should have done more to help Floyd as well as wingnuts on the other end of the spectrum angry that a black girl brought about the downfall of a cop.
Wouldn’t it be something if giving the girl a sodding certificate to put on the wall didn’t wind folk up?!
Wouldn’t it be something if giving the girl a sodding certificate to put on the wall didn’t wind folk up?!
ReverendCounter said:
N7GTX said:
Christ, an award for doing what everyone with a smart phone does nowadays. What's courageous about it? It was all captured on the street cameras anyway.
Ever been black before? In America? While witnessing what was essentially a murder, by police who murder blacks regularly and get away with it? Thought not - it makes you unqualified to judge.
Can't help thinking the prevailing atmosphere at the time was terrifying for any police officer. That baying crowd, whatever was happening, was enough to severely test any officer with regard to decisions he might take. I wonder what, if anything, any of those criticising him would do in those circumstances. Was he the senior officer on duty? Why did no other officer get involved? The whole inter-racial climate in that town was volatile and no matter what action was taken it would have been wrong in the public eye.
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