Derek Chauvin Trial

[Four Litre]

Now that the trial has started and is being live streamed. The defense have stated that he died of a heart attack, based on the fact that he ate his drugs stash when pulled by the police. Therefore an overdose of Meth and Fentyl. Certainly not something the media has led us to believe.

I hope justice will be done with the facts but it does make you wonder how impartial the trial may be. How can an jury not have watched it on TV and not know anything about the case beforehand?

If the policeman walks free, its going to be WWIII out on the streets of the USA and London.

https://www.npr.org/sections/trial-over-killing-of...

[Tlandcruiser]

I question the fairness of his trial and I hope there’s no political pressure on the direction/outcome of the trial.

If he’s found not guilty there will be a lot of angry people because in their mind, he’s a murderer and the only outcome they want, is the one that they agree with.

[Mr Pointy]

It's difficult to be sure what is reported is impartial but when even the 911 dispatcher, who was watching a live feed, calls the police to report what is going on (something she hasn't done is seven years of working there) then it's hard to disagree that something very wrong was happening.

Of course, I'm assuming the report of that is correct.

[Dan_1981]

Mr Pointy said:

It's difficult to be sure what is reported is impartial but when even the 911 dispatcher, who was watching a live feed, calls the police to report what is going on (something she hasn't done is seven years of working there) then it's hard to disagree that something very wrong was happening.

Of course, I'm assuming the report of that is correct.

She gave testimony to that I believe.

I guess at the end of the day, swallowing all your drugs might not help, resisting or being awkward during arrest may not help either. Being a general scumbag might not help either.

But ultimately the reaction of the bystanders, the emergency dispatcher all seem to support that maybe Mr Chauvin on this occasion went too far.

[ChocolateFrog]

I will be surprised if they convict him.

But the pressure to convict him will be immense.

[easytiger123]

Tlandcruiser said:

I question the fairness of his trial and I hope there’s no political pressure on the direction/outcome of the trial.

If he’s found not guilty there will be a lot of angry people because in their mind, he’s a murderer and the only outcome they want, is the one that they agree with.

Ask yourself who would want to be on a jury that acquits him of murder?

[coppernorks]

The theory that if you can talk, you can breathe will hopefully be expanded upon by experts.

I believe he was in handcuffs while being knelt on by Chauvin, it's hard to give a reasonable
reason why this amount of restraint was necessary. I'd be interested to see videos that show the events
that led up to the victim being detained/cuffed/restrained.

[andymadmak]

coppernorks said:

The theory that if you can talk, you can breathe will hopefully be expanded upon by experts.

I believe he was in handcuffs while being knelt on by Chauvin, it's hard to give a reasonable
reason why this amount of restraint was necessary. I'd be interested to see videos that show the events
that led up to the victim being detained/cuffed/restrained.

I'm surprised you haven't viewed the extensive videos online. There's a non edited 40 minutes (approx) video that shows everything pretty much from start to finish. On the basis of that video it is hard to see how Chauvin and the others could be convicted of murder.

[Earthdweller]

It’s certainly far from clear and cut

The water is very muddy and I do wonder if he will get a free and fair trial, it must be almost impossible to find a jury member that does not have an opinion formed. The jurors have been discussed and dissected on TV .. that surely puts an undue pressure on them and you do wonder how their identity will be kept hidden and whether fear of repercussions could effect the verdict

It will be interesting to see how it develops, either way it’s not going to be good nor pretty

[coppernorks]

andymadmak said:

I'm surprised you haven't viewed the extensive videos online. There's a non edited 40 minutes (approx) video that shows everything pretty much from start to finish. On the basis of that video it is hard to see how Chauvin and the others could be convicted of murder.

Never seen the 9 minute vido, or any of the others. I am uncorrupted and thus
have no opinion, I should be on the jeffing jury.

[anonymous-user]

coppernorks said:

The theory that if you can talk, you can breathe will hopefully be expanded upon by experts.

I believe he was in handcuffs while being knelt on by Chauvin, it's hard to give a reasonable
reason why this amount of restraint was necessary. I'd be interested to see videos that show the events
that led up to the victim being detained/cuffed/restrained.

Full bodycam here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQYMBALDXc&ab...

Does show a man dying and CPR which is very vivid etc.

My take on it is basically the police had ample time to reassess the appropriate response in the changing circumstances and that it's more likely than not manslaughter / American equillivent

I've not seen all the evidence etc.

[BoRED S2upid]

Was the jury selection on TV? That must have taken days. I’m sure the film rights have already been sold it is America after all. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

[JagLover]

I guess what will determine things is what effect the Jury things Fentyl had.

They found it in the deceased system and Fentyl can kill you regardless of whether you are being restrained or not.

[g4ry13]

I have no idea how they selected a jury - everyone must have heard about the case and have their opinions unless they've been living on Mars for the last year.

If Chauvin doesn't get sent away for life then BLM are going to be on the streets calling for blood. If the evidence shows it was not murder then it's rather unfair to give him that sentence. What about the other officers involved, or do they have a separate trial?

A manslaughter charge and out in a few years probably won't be a satisfactory result either for the mob.

I watched a bit of the case yesterday and a lady was being interviewed who took footage on her camera. She seemed utterly useless and couldn't remember a thing, it seemed rather a waste of time putting her on the stand.

[RB Will]

coppernorks said:

The theory that if you can talk, you can breathe will hopefully be expanded upon by experts.

I believe he was in handcuffs while being knelt on by Chauvin, it's hard to give a reasonable
reason why this amount of restraint was necessary. I'd be interested to see videos that show the events
that led up to the victim being detained/cuffed/restrained.

Keeping someone restrained can be quite the task to be fair. Years ago when you were allowed to do this sort of thing, it was the apprentice mechanic’s last day so the rest of us in the workshop decided it would be fun to cabletie him to a ramp for a bit.
He wasn’t a small lad, about 6’3 medium build and it took 6-7 of us to get him down and still enough.

I can only imagine a massive adult off his tits on whatever and fearing for his life would be more of a handful so harsh restraint may be used.

[g4ry13]

I flipped over and they're talking about MMA / UFC. Am I missing something?

[Gogoplata]

g4ry13 said:

I watched a bit of the case yesterday and a lady was being interviewed who took footage on her camera. She seemed utterly useless and couldn't remember a thing, it seemed rather a waste of time putting her on the stand.

The "MMA Fighter" who testified as a witness was useless too. He didn't understand the difference between blood choke and an air choke.

[coppernorks]

g4ry13 said:

I watched a bit of the case yesterday and a lady was being interviewed who took footage on her camera. She seemed utterly useless and couldn't remember a thing, it seemed rather a waste of time putting her on the stand.

Agreed, she was hopeless, although to be fair many questions are convoluted and subtle and required
a modicum of intelligence to understand.
The martial arts guy who is being questioned now is the opposite, he is smart and erudite but his
answers are very detailed and overlong, he is trying to be helpful but maybe brevity is the better option in a trial .

[Byker28i]

It all began when a Cup Foods clerk in south Minneapolis called 911 to report that a man tried to buy cigarettes with a $20 bill the clerk suspected was fake. Police arrived to find Floyd in a car outside the store. They tried to put him in a squad car, but Floyd resisted, saying he was claustrophobic, so he was moved to the street, face down and handcuffed.

Hennepin County Medical Examiner Andrew Baker will be a central figure. He ruled Floyd’s death a homicide, saying he died when his heart stopped as police restrained him, compressing his neck. The autopsy also said he had heart disease and fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system, and tested positive for COVID-19.

Handwritten notes from investigators’ interview with Baker say Floyd had 11 nanograms of fentanyl per milliliter in his bloodstream. Baker told investigators that “If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3 (nanograms).”

Baker added, however: “I am not saying this killed him.”




Prosecutors noted in a filing that after Floyd fell silent, the crowd alerted the officers 10 times that Floyd was no longer moving, warned them nine times that Floyd was unresponsive, and pleaded with them nearly 30 times to check Floyd’s pulse. But the officers remained in the same positions.
https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/02/22/derek-cha...

Also a lot of details on the fox report

Two autopsies
The autopsy conducted by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner determined that Floyd's cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The manner of death was listed as "homicide." Other significant conditions listed were "Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use."

Floyd's family later hired private doctors to conduct an independent autopsy, which listed the cause of death as "mechanical asphyxia" and the manner of death as "homicide."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-trial-geo...


Seems sad to die over an alleged faked $20 bill. The crowd alerting the police several times doesn't sound good

[g4ry13]

Byker28i said:

Seems sad to die over an alleged faked $20 bill. The crowd alerting the police several times doesn't sound good

It was the life he lived.

If it wasn't over a fake $20 bill it would be during a mugging, car theft, home invasion etc.