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Trackdayer said:
Unknown_User said:
Yes the government has failed certain sections of society but that isn't what you claimed is it.
Failure to provide adequate housing is the fault of the government whereas those fathers that choose to walk out of their kids lives isn't.
That's interesting. I've seen the recent stories of these horrid flats, almost all in London and I wondered why these people feel so entitled to have their housing in the UK's most expensive city paid for by people like me.Failure to provide adequate housing is the fault of the government whereas those fathers that choose to walk out of their kids lives isn't.
If they don't like it, they are free to leave. Maybe get a job and pay their own way in the world. Like most of us do.
I'm sure all those hospitals, shops, warehouses schools, supermarkets, roads etc. in London would keep functioning perfectly well without all the low paid operatives that contribute to the smooth running of those organisations? I mean, why a nurse cant afford a family home within walking distance of their place of work is obviously just down to pure laziness isn't it?
Did you appreciate the work nurses did during the pandemic?
Trackdayer said:
Drumroll said:
But you choose to ignore that the government does have a certain amount of responsibility for those failings. just as you seek to blame those terrible parent(s) for all life's ill you steadfastly seem to ignore the state's role in all of this.
I don't think the government have failed. It's all relative. Relative to most other countries we have a great standard of living in almost every metric. Excluding London this is one of the best places to live on earth.Other people clearly don't think the Tories have failed either. That's evidenced by the landslide election result. This nationalistic, "little England", capitalist govt. led by Boris is hugely popular!
I have added extreme to your right-wing views because you seem to be getting more extreme with your posts
The Government also didn't give a s
t until a footballer shamed them into giving a st. Twice.
The Government also didn't give a st when working class white kids were doing worse than middle class white kids.
The Government also didn't give a st when they ignored the recommendations of their own adviser and refused to find the funding he'd requested.
Wonder why it's suddenly an issue now.
t until a footballer shamed them into giving a st. Twice.The Government also didn't give a s
t when working class white kids were doing worse than middle class white kids.The Government also didn't give a s
t when they ignored the recommendations of their own adviser and refused to find the funding he'd requested.Wonder why it's suddenly an issue now.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: The Government also didn't give a st until a footballer shamed them into giving a st. Twice.
Said footballer is part of the problem. PARENTS are responsible for feeding their kids. End of story.t until a footballer shamed them into giving a st. Twice.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: The Government also didn't give a st when working class white kids were doing worse than middle class white kids.
Why should they? They are given the same free schools, the same free healthcare and more benefits than middle class white kids. t when working class white kids were doing worse than middle class white kids.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: The Government also didn't give a st when they ignored the recommendations of their own adviser and refused to find the funding he'd requested
All govts. have a lot of demands for funding. We should be aiming for a much smaller govt. not a bigger one.t when they ignored the recommendations of their own adviser and refused to find the funding he'd requestedTrackdayer said:
Unknown_User said:
Did you appreciate the work nurses did during the pandemic?
Yes, seeing as my other half works in nursing management.Unknown_User said:
So tell me Einstein, how does a nurse working at the Chelsea & Kensington, St Thomas or St Barts hospital afford a crappy flat near their place of work? You know, without you or me paying for it?
In practical terms he or she commutes. In political terms, why are houses so expensive in London and the UK in general? Overpopulation. Sort that out and many big problems will also be reduced or eliminated.
ps - Main cause of housing demand? Rise of single parent households since the 1950's thanks to feminism. Stick that in your left wing pipe and smoke it
Trackdayer said:
Unknown_User said:
So tell me Einstein, how does a nurse working at the Chelsea & Kensington, St Thomas or St Barts hospital afford a crappy flat near their place of work? You know, without you or me paying for it?
In practical terms he or she commutes. In political terms, why are houses so expensive in London and the UK in general? Overpopulation. Sort that out and many big problems will also be reduced or eliminated.
https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Registere...
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jan/20/aver...
Overpopulation...!!!?? I'm sure an Austrian chap had a way of reducing population on an industrial scale.
Trackdayer said:
There's nothing extreme about believing people have a duty to their children and themselves.
C'mon.
Of course there isn't.C'mon.
But not all people are good parents so at what point do you punish the kids for the failures of the parent?
Likewise a lot of good students parents have found themselves falling through the cracks as a result of the pandemic hence why things like Rashford's campaign and providing the funding Kevan Collins recommended are all important.
Trackdayer said:
Unknown_User said:
So tell me Einstein, how does a nurse working at the Chelsea & Kensington, St Thomas or St Barts hospital afford a crappy flat near their place of work? You know, without you or me paying for it?
In practical terms he or she commutes. In political terms, why are houses so expensive in London and the UK in general? Overpopulation. Sort that out and many big problems will also be reduced or eliminated.
ps - Main cause of housing demand? Rise of single parent households since the 1950's thanks to feminism. Stick that in your left wing pipe and smoke it
Trackdayer said:
In political terms, why are houses so expensive in London and the UK in general? Overpopulation. Sort that out and many big problems will also be reduced or eliminated.
Of course, it's all those immigrants coming over and snapping up all the £10mil houses in London. Although if you count middle eastern royal families and Russian oligarchs as immigrants I guess you're not wrong 
I think there's a halfway house between these two standpoints,as they both have merits.
The Government have a moral obligation to provide adequate housing,education,healthcare etc.
People have a moral obligation to take these opportunities and strive for the best for themselves and their children.
Those that fail to fulfil their part of the bargain,we can then shoot with a clear conscience.
The Government have a moral obligation to provide adequate housing,education,healthcare etc.
People have a moral obligation to take these opportunities and strive for the best for themselves and their children.
Those that fail to fulfil their part of the bargain,we can then shoot with a clear conscience.
Unknown_User said:
Now just hang on a minute Buster, you were just saying it was fathers not staying in the familial home, now you're saying it's feminism?
A mix of both men and women failing to provide the nuclear family for their children. For various reasons.It has a terrible effect on children in so many metrics (education, employment, crime) and also means more households are created. Exacerbating the problem of housing costs raised by another PHer.
ZedLeg said:
Of course, it's all those immigrants coming over and snapping up all the £10mil houses in London. Although if you count middle eastern royal families and Russian oligarchs as immigrants I guess you're not wrong
I didn't mention immigration once. It is a contributory factor to the overpopulation of this country but not the biggest one.Trackdayer said:
ZedLeg said:
Of course, it's all those immigrants coming over and snapping up all the £10mil houses in London. Although if you count middle eastern royal families and Russian oligarchs as immigrants I guess you're not wrong
I didn't mention immigration once. It is a contributory factor to the overpopulation of this country but not the biggest one.jimbobs said:
The schools report is just another example of this government blaming someone else for its own failings.
The failures in education are caused by years of chronic underfunding as a result of Tory austerity. This hits the poor (and thus, the white working class poor) hardest. Sadly, Boris and his chums would rather blame lefty teachers for the problem than own up to their own failings.
This is the government, remember, who appointed an expert to help target education policy post pandemic and then forced him to resign when they offered him 10% of the funding he needed.
But it’s ok to spaff £200m on a big boat with a Union Jack on it, apparently…
There never was any austerity. Con/lab spending plans 2010 were identical. The failures in education are caused by years of chronic underfunding as a result of Tory austerity. This hits the poor (and thus, the white working class poor) hardest. Sadly, Boris and his chums would rather blame lefty teachers for the problem than own up to their own failings.
This is the government, remember, who appointed an expert to help target education policy post pandemic and then forced him to resign when they offered him 10% of the funding he needed.
But it’s ok to spaff £200m on a big boat with a Union Jack on it, apparently…
Trackdayer said:
Unknown_User said:
Now just hang on a minute Buster, you were just saying it was fathers not staying in the familial home, now you're saying it's feminism?
A mix of both men and women failing to provide the nuclear family for their children. For various reasons.It has a terrible effect on children in so many metrics (education, employment, crime) and also means more households are created. Exacerbating the problem of housing costs raised by another PHer.
ZedLeg said:
Of course, it's all those immigrants coming over and snapping up all the £10mil houses in London. Although if you count middle eastern royal families and Russian oligarchs as immigrants I guess you're not wrong
I didn't mention immigration once. It is a contributory factor to the overpopulation of this country but not the biggest one.Trackdayer said:
Unknown_User said:
Commutes from where, show us where a nurse can but a home on their wage?
Are you telling me there's no affordable housing within commuting distance of any one hospital? I don't think anybody could argue that to be true.Affordable housing you say.....
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-affordable-h...
And who was it that said......
Trackdayer said:
That's interesting. I've seen the recent stories of these horrid flats, almost all in London and I wondered why these people feel so entitled to have their housing in the UK's most expensive city paid for by people like me.
If they don't like it, they are free to leave. Maybe get a job and pay their own way in the world. Like most of us do.
LOL @ Trackie...!!!If they don't like it, they are free to leave. Maybe get a job and pay their own way in the world. Like most of us do.
Are you new around here? Stick around, you really are the gift that keeps on giving!
markcoznottz said:
jimbobs said:
The schools report is just another example of this government blaming someone else for its own failings.
The failures in education are caused by years of chronic underfunding as a result of Tory austerity. This hits the poor (and thus, the white working class poor) hardest. Sadly, Boris and his chums would rather blame lefty teachers for the problem than own up to their own failings.
This is the government, remember, who appointed an expert to help target education policy post pandemic and then forced him to resign when they offered him 10% of the funding he needed.
But it’s ok to spaff £200m on a big boat with a Union Jack on it, apparently…
There never was any austerity. Con/lab spending plans 2010 were identical. The failures in education are caused by years of chronic underfunding as a result of Tory austerity. This hits the poor (and thus, the white working class poor) hardest. Sadly, Boris and his chums would rather blame lefty teachers for the problem than own up to their own failings.
This is the government, remember, who appointed an expert to help target education policy post pandemic and then forced him to resign when they offered him 10% of the funding he needed.
But it’s ok to spaff £200m on a big boat with a Union Jack on it, apparently…
https://ifs.org.uk/publications/15025
There were large increases over the 2000s but spending per pupil has fallen since 2010–11.
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