Will the plan work to turn generation rent into buy?
Discussion
mikewilliams79 said:
stitched said:
They're generally are not up for sale, there are derelict streets in Salford and other areas, they wouldn't sell as the areas are too rough and many are used by druggies.
Still quite a few on the outskirts of these areas but admittedly I wouldn't fancy living so close to most of those areas, at my time of life.
I was offered a terraced street in around 2000 for £500 a house, I actually tried to set it up as a gated street, but Manchester Police objected as it would look like they weren't in control, they weren't.
So there are places for less but they're not for sale Still quite a few on the outskirts of these areas but admittedly I wouldn't fancy living so close to most of those areas, at my time of life.
I was offered a terraced street in around 2000 for £500 a house, I actually tried to set it up as a gated street, but Manchester Police objected as it would look like they weren't in control, they weren't.
You would have to move there and put some, very careful, time into local research.
The one I looked into was accessed by driving through a newer estate, which the police would only enter in force.
Actually I may be wrong, that area seems to have been gentrified a bit, I'll ask some locals but it is possible the issues are sorted since then.
Some people on here, while singing their own merits of travelling half way round the world for free to sleep on a couch to earn more money and think nothing of it.
Seem to either accidentally or deliberately gloss over the reality that there are many jobs that don’t pay the national average of £38k.
But they are jobs that are needed and have to be done.
I’ll take my own industry as prime example.
Care sector.
There are currently, 18% of the working age population, or over 7 million people, who are defined as disabled according to the Equality act 2010.
8% of children in the U.K. are disabled.
These people will require care in their daily lives.
Either a little, a lot or 24/7/365. They will need care for life.
So, these jobs are needed. The pay regardless of location in the country is very similar, so moving for better pay isn’t really worth it.
Leaving the job, simply means someone else will step in and do it.
Why should these folks be punished for doing a difficult job that sadly isn’t valued by society in large.
I’ve been doing it 12 years, sadly the number of people needing care is growing, the salary isn’t.
We don’t get 4% annual pay rises or large bonuses.
I’m still waiting over 2 months on to see if Nippys £500 bonus is going to be paid to me. My midwife friend has already had and spent hers...
We need houses as well, affordable ones. Not overpriced shoeboxes in some s
t hole area the police won’t go to.
By the middle of June I’ll be out this industry.
Taking my 12 years of knowledge and experience with me.
Experience, hard won through 55+ to 120 hours a week working. In a job that frankly plenty on here simply couldn’t do. I already have a 40 minute, 32 mile commute I don’t need to add to that.
I’ve got on the ladder, not at the bottom, but a couple of rungs up, purely as while saving to get on it, I hit that stage of life where kids are only a few years away, so I’ve had to future plan to take that into account. Even with that, the house needs a complete renovation to make it suitable.
There needs to be a good supply of houses for those on the lower end, doing the hard jobs that don’t pay well but are essential to society.
Filling new build housing estates with £200K+ Houses with zero space between them isn’t the answer as they are out of reach.
Spare a thought for those in that position, because one day, we may be the lifeline you need to live your life.
Seem to either accidentally or deliberately gloss over the reality that there are many jobs that don’t pay the national average of £38k.
But they are jobs that are needed and have to be done.
I’ll take my own industry as prime example.
Care sector.
There are currently, 18% of the working age population, or over 7 million people, who are defined as disabled according to the Equality act 2010.
8% of children in the U.K. are disabled.
These people will require care in their daily lives.
Either a little, a lot or 24/7/365. They will need care for life.
So, these jobs are needed. The pay regardless of location in the country is very similar, so moving for better pay isn’t really worth it.
Leaving the job, simply means someone else will step in and do it.
Why should these folks be punished for doing a difficult job that sadly isn’t valued by society in large.
I’ve been doing it 12 years, sadly the number of people needing care is growing, the salary isn’t.
We don’t get 4% annual pay rises or large bonuses.
I’m still waiting over 2 months on to see if Nippys £500 bonus is going to be paid to me. My midwife friend has already had and spent hers...
We need houses as well, affordable ones. Not overpriced shoeboxes in some s
t hole area the police won’t go to.By the middle of June I’ll be out this industry.
Taking my 12 years of knowledge and experience with me.
Experience, hard won through 55+ to 120 hours a week working. In a job that frankly plenty on here simply couldn’t do. I already have a 40 minute, 32 mile commute I don’t need to add to that.
I’ve got on the ladder, not at the bottom, but a couple of rungs up, purely as while saving to get on it, I hit that stage of life where kids are only a few years away, so I’ve had to future plan to take that into account. Even with that, the house needs a complete renovation to make it suitable.
There needs to be a good supply of houses for those on the lower end, doing the hard jobs that don’t pay well but are essential to society.
Filling new build housing estates with £200K+ Houses with zero space between them isn’t the answer as they are out of reach.
Spare a thought for those in that position, because one day, we may be the lifeline you need to live your life.
I agree with you in principle, A.J.M - some of the most vital jobs in our country are done by people earning the least. It doesn’t make sense objectively. The hard question is what to do about it.
A.J.M said:
Leaving the job, simply means someone else will step in and do it.
... and this is part of the problem.A.J.M said:
Some people on here, while singing their own merits of travelling half way round the world for free to sleep on a couch to earn more money and think nothing of it.
Seem to either accidentally or deliberately gloss over the reality that there are many jobs that don’t pay the national average of £38k.
But they are jobs that are needed and have to be done.
I’ll take my own industry as prime example.
Care sector.
There are currently, 18% of the working age population, or over 7 million people, who are defined as disabled according to the Equality act 2010.
8% of children in the U.K. are disabled.
These people will require care in their daily lives.
Either a little, a lot or 24/7/365. They will need care for life.
So, these jobs are needed. The pay regardless of location in the country is very similar, so moving for better pay isn’t really worth it.
Leaving the job, simply means someone else will step in and do it.
Why should these folks be punished for doing a difficult job that sadly isn’t valued by society in large.
I’ve been doing it 12 years, sadly the number of people needing care is growing, the salary isn’t.
We don’t get 4% annual pay rises or large bonuses.
I’m still waiting over 2 months on to see if Nippys £500 bonus is going to be paid to me. My midwife friend has already had and spent hers...
We need houses as well, affordable ones. Not overpriced shoeboxes in some st hole area the police won’t go to.
By the middle of June I’ll be out this industry.
Taking my 12 years of knowledge and experience with me.
Experience, hard won through 55+ to 120 hours a week working. In a job that frankly plenty on here simply couldn’t do. I already have a 40 minute, 32 mile commute I don’t need to add to that.
I’ve got on the ladder, not at the bottom, but a couple of rungs up, purely as while saving to get on it, I hit that stage of life where kids are only a few years away, so I’ve had to future plan to take that into account. Even with that, the house needs a complete renovation to make it suitable.
There needs to be a good supply of houses for those on the lower end, doing the hard jobs that don’t pay well but are essential to society.
Filling new build housing estates with £200K+ Houses with zero space between them isn’t the answer as they are out of reach.
Spare a thought for those in that position, because one day, we may be the lifeline you need to live your life.
I think anyone working a full week with only 13 hours rest deserves a house.Seem to either accidentally or deliberately gloss over the reality that there are many jobs that don’t pay the national average of £38k.
But they are jobs that are needed and have to be done.
I’ll take my own industry as prime example.
Care sector.
There are currently, 18% of the working age population, or over 7 million people, who are defined as disabled according to the Equality act 2010.
8% of children in the U.K. are disabled.
These people will require care in their daily lives.
Either a little, a lot or 24/7/365. They will need care for life.
So, these jobs are needed. The pay regardless of location in the country is very similar, so moving for better pay isn’t really worth it.
Leaving the job, simply means someone else will step in and do it.
Why should these folks be punished for doing a difficult job that sadly isn’t valued by society in large.
I’ve been doing it 12 years, sadly the number of people needing care is growing, the salary isn’t.
We don’t get 4% annual pay rises or large bonuses.
I’m still waiting over 2 months on to see if Nippys £500 bonus is going to be paid to me. My midwife friend has already had and spent hers...
We need houses as well, affordable ones. Not overpriced shoeboxes in some s
t hole area the police won’t go to.By the middle of June I’ll be out this industry.
Taking my 12 years of knowledge and experience with me.
Experience, hard won through 55+ to 120 hours a week working. In a job that frankly plenty on here simply couldn’t do. I already have a 40 minute, 32 mile commute I don’t need to add to that.
I’ve got on the ladder, not at the bottom, but a couple of rungs up, purely as while saving to get on it, I hit that stage of life where kids are only a few years away, so I’ve had to future plan to take that into account. Even with that, the house needs a complete renovation to make it suitable.
There needs to be a good supply of houses for those on the lower end, doing the hard jobs that don’t pay well but are essential to society.
Filling new build housing estates with £200K+ Houses with zero space between them isn’t the answer as they are out of reach.
Spare a thought for those in that position, because one day, we may be the lifeline you need to live your life.
I have done 84 hour weeks, I doubt you have.
I took a chance and went self employed.
The one place we agree is that there should be housing provision for those less well paid who are essential.
I'd suggest something modelled on Port Sunlight but govt sponsored.
stitched said:
I think anyone working a full week with only 13 hours rest deserves a house.
I have done 84 hour weeks, I doubt you have.
I took a chance and went self employed.
The one place we agree is that there should be housing provision for those less well paid who are essential.
I'd suggest something modelled on Port Sunlight but govt sponsored.
With respect.I have done 84 hour weeks, I doubt you have.
I took a chance and went self employed.
The one place we agree is that there should be housing provision for those less well paid who are essential.
I'd suggest something modelled on Port Sunlight but govt sponsored.
I have. And will be again.
Don’t try and belittle my own working hours.
I know them, because I work them. You. Don’t.
On Wednesday the 28th of this month, I’ll start at 12 noon. I’ll clock out Monday the 3rd of May at 7pm.
I make that 127 hours. What do you make it?
I’ll have shifts on the 26th and 27th as well, and shifts on the 4th and be back at that work on the 5th for another overnight shift.
I’m doing the extra long shift because I’m covering a colleagues holiday and also the shift of a co worker who resigned and left.
So far we haven’t found a suitable person to take on the roll.
When I leave, someone will have to do my shifts, my hours and my responsibilities, for my salary.
It would be nice if they could get a suitable house for their hard graft.
Biggy Stardust said:
Over 5 days without sleep. Impressive.
Fortunately not 
We do get sleep time and rate every night, but if the client is up during the night, so are we, sometimes they can sleep all night, sometimes they are up all night.
Regardless of sleeping or not. It is a long time away from home and family etc.
A.J.M said:
Fortunately not
We do get sleep time and rate every night, but if the client is up during the night, so are we, sometimes they can sleep all night, sometimes they are up all night.
Regardless of sleeping or not. It is a long time away from home and family etc.
Impressive dedication, thank you for doing a difficult job. However, even at nmw that’s £1,100 for a few days work. That should make saving a deposit doable surely. We do get sleep time and rate every night, but if the client is up during the night, so are we, sometimes they can sleep all night, sometimes they are up all night.
Regardless of sleeping or not. It is a long time away from home and family etc.
There are people up and down the country buying for the first time every single day....
‘Whether you say that you can
Whether you say that you can’t
Either way you are correct...’
I do agree that once people have started making bad choices, that changing course is very difficult, however if you save up when you are young and don’t waste money then you can achieve your goals.
I started work at the age of 14 and started my own business at 19 from a pull out computer desk in the corner of my bedroom, I brought my first house a couple of years later with no assistance from my family. Through hard work and dedication I now have a wonderful life. It absolutely can be done and I refuse to accept that it can’t....
Losers don’t like a light being shone on their deficiencies....
p1stonhead said:
The whole boasting about how many hours you work compared to others is horrendous. It’s not something to be proud of. It’s an awful consequence of a st working environment and under resourcing.
Massive over representation of immigrants in the care industry. Without them cleaners and carers might now be on £30-£40 an hour. My mate helped assemble the scaffolding at a donnington music festival ‘92, he was paid the equivalent of £35/hr even back then. Supply and demand. t working environment and under resourcing. Greg D you are correct.
It is a nice amount of money.
I can get a nice amount of paint and decorating materials for my house with it.
I’m not shining a light on my own efforts, I’ve got a house now. Realistically, it could do me for life. It’s certainly done my neighbours for their married lives. Both are now retired.
My wish is for others in the lower paying but essential jobs to also have the chance to get a nice house.
Having taken that step on the ladder, I wish for those behind me to also be fortunate enough to also be able.
It is a nice amount of money.
I can get a nice amount of paint and decorating materials for my house with it.
I’m not shining a light on my own efforts, I’ve got a house now. Realistically, it could do me for life. It’s certainly done my neighbours for their married lives. Both are now retired.
My wish is for others in the lower paying but essential jobs to also have the chance to get a nice house.
Having taken that step on the ladder, I wish for those behind me to also be fortunate enough to also be able.
Greg_D said:
Losers don’t like a light being shone on their deficiencies....
Next time theirs a lock down and a queue at the supermarket for toilet roll, tell the staff there that they are losers for doing a nmw job stacking the shelves overnight and trying to get food to you, Or if your unlucky enough to be struck down by the deadly tell it to the nurse whos just worked 20hours straight trying to save your life, or the dustman whos taking your crap away for you or.....A500leroy said:
Greg_D said:
Losers don’t like a light being shone on their deficiencies....
Next time theirs a lock down and a queue at the supermarket for toilet roll, tell the staff there that they are losers for doing a nmw job stacking the shelves overnight and trying to get food to you, Or if your unlucky enough to be struck down by the deadly tell it to the nurse whos just worked 20hours straight trying to save your life, or the dustman whos taking your crap away for you or.....You skim quite quickly over prices having gone up. You shouldn’t because it’s that large headline figure which someone needs to find 10% of. We covered on page one how most people that rent can field the mortgage payment each month but finding the large sum of money up front was the difficulty.
NRS said:
A500leroy said:
Greg_D said:
Losers don’t like a light being shone on their deficiencies....
Next time theirs a lock down and a queue at the supermarket for toilet roll, tell the staff there that they are losers for doing a nmw job stacking the shelves overnight and trying to get food to you, Or if your unlucky enough to be struck down by the deadly tell it to the nurse whos just worked 20hours straight trying to save your life, or the dustman whos taking your crap away for you or.....Even those of modest means can get a house of their own in most parts of the country. Look at your own examples, Nurses and refuse collectors are not low paid.....
If a nurse can’t get a house, then they need their head shaking...
A500leroy said:
Next time theirs a lock down and a queue at the supermarket for toilet roll, tell the staff there that they are losers for doing a nmw job stacking the shelves overnight and trying to get food to you, Or if your unlucky enough to be struck down by the deadly tell it to the nurse whos just worked 20hours straight trying to save your life, or the dustman whos taking your crap away for you or.....
Please tell me what percentage of nurses work 20 hours straight.stitched said:
I think anyone working a full week with only 13 hours rest deserves a house.
I have done 84 hour weeks, I doubt you have.
I took a chance and went self employed.
The one place we agree is that there should be housing provision for those less well paid who are essential.
I'd suggest something modelled on Port Sunlight but govt sponsored.
What point are you trying to make? Everyone can do what you did? Well, technically, they can't.I have done 84 hour weeks, I doubt you have.
I took a chance and went self employed.
The one place we agree is that there should be housing provision for those less well paid who are essential.
I'd suggest something modelled on Port Sunlight but govt sponsored.
Greg_D said:
Oh please! If you’re going to condemn me, at least pick me up on what I ‘actually’ said. This is nothing to do with nmw workers, and everything to do with budgeting and priorities. Your class war strawman is as obvious as it is feeble.
Even those of modest means can get a house of their own in most parts of the country. Look at your own examples, Nurses and refuse collectors are not low paid.....
If a nurse can’t get a house, then they need their head shaking...
It wasn't me who mentioned nurses or refuse collectors, so not just me that needs to read what was said by who, Even those of modest means can get a house of their own in most parts of the country. Look at your own examples, Nurses and refuse collectors are not low paid.....
If a nurse can’t get a house, then they need their head shaking...
You say most of the country - that ignores that a lot of people live in a small part of the country. And as I've said before, I'm lucky that I have done well, that I don't live in the SE and so on. It's just I don't consider everyone as lucky as me. Many many people work far harder than me, for a lot less pay.
Greg_D said:
I started work at the age of 14 and started my own business at 19 from a pull out computer desk in the corner of my bedroom, I brought my first house a couple of years later with no assistance from my family.
Out of interest, why a desk in your bedroom, were you living at your parents' place for that 2 years while saving a deposit?A.J.M said:
Some people on here, while singing their own merits of travelling half way round the world for free to sleep on a couch to earn more money and think nothing of it.
Seem to either accidentally or deliberately gloss over the reality that there are many jobs that don’t pay the national average of £38k.
But they are jobs that are needed and have to be done.
I’ll take my own industry as prime example.
Care sector.
There are currently, 18% of the working age population, or over 7 million people, who are defined as disabled according to the Equality act 2010.
8% of children in the U.K. are disabled.
These people will require care in their daily lives.
Either a little, a lot or 24/7/365. They will need care for life.
So, these jobs are needed. The pay regardless of location in the country is very similar, so moving for better pay isn’t really worth it.
Leaving the job, simply means someone else will step in and do it.
Why should these folks be punished for doing a difficult job that sadly isn’t valued by society in large.
I’ve been doing it 12 years, sadly the number of people needing care is growing, the salary isn’t.
We don’t get 4% annual pay rises or large bonuses.
I’m still waiting over 2 months on to see if Nippys £500 bonus is going to be paid to me. My midwife friend has already had and spent hers...
We need houses as well, affordable ones. Not overpriced shoeboxes in some st hole area the police won’t go to.
By the middle of June I’ll be out this industry.
Taking my 12 years of knowledge and experience with me.
Experience, hard won through 55+ to 120 hours a week working. In a job that frankly plenty on here simply couldn’t do. I already have a 40 minute, 32 mile commute I don’t need to add to that.
I’ve got on the ladder, not at the bottom, but a couple of rungs up, purely as while saving to get on it, I hit that stage of life where kids are only a few years away, so I’ve had to future plan to take that into account. Even with that, the house needs a complete renovation to make it suitable.
There needs to be a good supply of houses for those on the lower end, doing the hard jobs that don’t pay well but are essential to society.
Filling new build housing estates with £200K+ Houses with zero space between them isn’t the answer as they are out of reach.
Spare a thought for those in that position, because one day, we may be the lifeline you need to live your life.
While I understand your post and sympathise with it, as far as I can see the main issue is that you are (or were) willing to work those hours for that amount of money. Seem to either accidentally or deliberately gloss over the reality that there are many jobs that don’t pay the national average of £38k.
But they are jobs that are needed and have to be done.
I’ll take my own industry as prime example.
Care sector.
There are currently, 18% of the working age population, or over 7 million people, who are defined as disabled according to the Equality act 2010.
8% of children in the U.K. are disabled.
These people will require care in their daily lives.
Either a little, a lot or 24/7/365. They will need care for life.
So, these jobs are needed. The pay regardless of location in the country is very similar, so moving for better pay isn’t really worth it.
Leaving the job, simply means someone else will step in and do it.
Why should these folks be punished for doing a difficult job that sadly isn’t valued by society in large.
I’ve been doing it 12 years, sadly the number of people needing care is growing, the salary isn’t.
We don’t get 4% annual pay rises or large bonuses.
I’m still waiting over 2 months on to see if Nippys £500 bonus is going to be paid to me. My midwife friend has already had and spent hers...
We need houses as well, affordable ones. Not overpriced shoeboxes in some s
t hole area the police won’t go to.By the middle of June I’ll be out this industry.
Taking my 12 years of knowledge and experience with me.
Experience, hard won through 55+ to 120 hours a week working. In a job that frankly plenty on here simply couldn’t do. I already have a 40 minute, 32 mile commute I don’t need to add to that.
I’ve got on the ladder, not at the bottom, but a couple of rungs up, purely as while saving to get on it, I hit that stage of life where kids are only a few years away, so I’ve had to future plan to take that into account. Even with that, the house needs a complete renovation to make it suitable.
There needs to be a good supply of houses for those on the lower end, doing the hard jobs that don’t pay well but are essential to society.
Filling new build housing estates with £200K+ Houses with zero space between them isn’t the answer as they are out of reach.
Spare a thought for those in that position, because one day, we may be the lifeline you need to live your life.
As people leave an underpaid industry, wages/compensation will rise to ensure that sufficient numbers of people enter the industry.
Is it really a job that others 'couldn't do" or just one that people don't want to do given current compensation levels?
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