Christiano Ronaldo & Coca Cola

[biggbn]

The Spruce Goose said:

biggbn said:

I'm sure the millions he has must assuage his feeling of mental subordination to the rest of you academic geniuses...

you seem to be taking it personal, footballers that are succesful in buiness aren't necessarily intelligent. David Beckham is one, might be shrewd but smarts ain't it.

And you seem to miss the irony of someone who has made hundreds of millions off the back of these brands, the same brands that have led to obesity issues, now taking a stance after he has amassed his great fortune, this seems to gone right over your head.

He has endorsed, KFC, Nike, Gambing websites, all with very dubious buiness practices.

Abbott Laboratories has been involved in law suits.

So now he grows a conscious after 500 million USD new worth?

Ah, now you are moving the goalposts. If you wish to discuss the many and varied hypocrisies of both corporations and those who choose to endorse them that's a whole different discussion, and one I am well aware of. Sorry it did not go right over me head as you presumed. Strange you mention Beckham, he always strikes me as an intelligent guy who can hold a conversation and has rather a sharp wit...so, intelligent. No, he doesn't have a degree, he did not need one for his career choice. If you are equating academic achievement with intelligence, I must agree with you, many athletes are not 'intelligent' by those standards, but i think that is a false equivalence. Intelligence manifests itself in many ways and many non academic people have an intelligence that I envy.

It's intersting that you suggest I am 'taking it personal' because I am disagreeing with you and positing an alternative viewpoint, one which I am not claiming is 100% correct, but it is my opinion and I am voicing it. This is a discussion forum isn't it?

Have a great day man, and thanks for takimg the time to post your replies. Gbn

Edited by biggbn on Saturday 19th June 14:12

[Skodapondy]

My Scouts have to do a bit on beliefs and values as part of a badge, this played into my hands this week as they are all into football. They as a group thought yes he was right to move the bottles of come and say water is better for you. Then when presented with the fact he endorsed KFC plus he iis sponsored by Nike and where their products are made one lad said "hypocrite" . This was a debate amongst kids so don't jump over them but for twenty minutes or so it was interesting to see how the effects of product placement work on young people. They did think putting beer under Pogba's nose was a bit insensitive though. On another point what did Locatelli of Italy do as I haven't seen that much yet?

[Crackie]

Randy Winkman said:

hidetheelephants said:

smifffymoto said:

There was an interesting video on Youtube on how the Coke and Pepsi are building wells and water purification systems in developing countries as a way to push their products.You only have to look around in the far east to see how easy it is when you give away plastic tables ,chairs and sun umbrellas.

Abstracting huge amounts of water from the water table, harming local farming and then selling the water back to the locals? This is what rural indians were rioting about not long ago.

Crackie said:

Coca-Cola ( and any other manufacturer for that matter ) are not the polluters. The pollution is a direct result of the individual who does not dispose of the bottle, or some other form of packaging, responsibly, having used the product. There is zero excuse for this type of waste in a developed country. In less developed countries there isn't yet the waste collection or recycling infrastructure in place............that is a subject for a different thread.

The issue of waste plastic will not improve whilst people try to absolve themselves of personal responsibility by demonising the polymer itself and/or the manufacturer of the packaging.

Plastic is not the demon here, the people who fail to manage safe recycling or disposal of their own waste are.

bks, the likes of Coke were quite happy to make more profit by replacing glass with plastic bottles and lobby very hard for no surcharges on those plastic bottles to pay for their disposal or to avoid responsibility for end-use/disposal. They are a major reason why there is inadequate infrastructure for dealing with the waste they create. Profit from it? Then clean it up.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Friday 18th June 23:12

I agree. They continue to produce more and more and more of stuff that they know causes a problem.

And the problem is........................people who litter and fail to responsibly dispose of the materials they use.

During 2005 and 2006 I worked as an advisor to the governments WRAP programme https://wrap.org.uk/ . We were working to drive use of recycled plastics with high end brand names such as Bowers and Wilkins speakers & Meridian Audio/Ferrari. At that time Coca-Cola had already pioneered making their bottles from recycled plastics 15 years earlier. Co-Founded the ocean Conservancy Alliance in 1995 and were, in 2005/6, investing heavily in biodegradeable plant based plastics as an alternative to petroleum based polymers.

Over and above the initiatives outlined in the timeline section in the link below and Reuters article............what additonal measures should Coca-Cola put in place?

https://www.coca-colacompany.com/sustainable-busin...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pla...

[Tre Zero]

Skodapondy said:

On another point what did Locatelli of Italy do as I haven't seen that much yet?

I posted about Manuel Locatelli and it was the same as Ronaldo , removed Coke bottles from his interview .
That was when I also read about the EUFA fines .

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

Ah, now you are moving the goalposts.

Look at thread title.

No goalposts moved. Footballers aren't demigods, him taking this stance means he is now open to exposure of all his deals, else why choose Coke as the bad man now, yet happy to take pay packets in the past. He obviously isn't the brightest.

If he wasn't as wealthy as he was he obviously wouldn't have done what he did.

A good one is Nike,. cheap labour product big profit items. Isn't that more of an Ethical issue over Coke, which seems a lot more transparent in what you are buying nowadays?

[Randy Winkman]

Crackie said:

Randy Winkman said:

hidetheelephants said:

smifffymoto said:

There was an interesting video on Youtube on how the Coke and Pepsi are building wells and water purification systems in developing countries as a way to push their products.You only have to look around in the far east to see how easy it is when you give away plastic tables ,chairs and sun umbrellas.

Abstracting huge amounts of water from the water table, harming local farming and then selling the water back to the locals? This is what rural indians were rioting about not long ago.

Crackie said:

Coca-Cola ( and any other manufacturer for that matter ) are not the polluters. The pollution is a direct result of the individual who does not dispose of the bottle, or some other form of packaging, responsibly, having used the product. There is zero excuse for this type of waste in a developed country. In less developed countries there isn't yet the waste collection or recycling infrastructure in place............that is a subject for a different thread.

The issue of waste plastic will not improve whilst people try to absolve themselves of personal responsibility by demonising the polymer itself and/or the manufacturer of the packaging.

Plastic is not the demon here, the people who fail to manage safe recycling or disposal of their own waste are.

bks, the likes of Coke were quite happy to make more profit by replacing glass with plastic bottles and lobby very hard for no surcharges on those plastic bottles to pay for their disposal or to avoid responsibility for end-use/disposal. They are a major reason why there is inadequate infrastructure for dealing with the waste they create. Profit from it? Then clean it up.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Friday 18th June 23:12

I agree. They continue to produce more and more and more of stuff that they know causes a problem.

And the problem is........................people who litter and fail to responsibly dispose of the materials they use.

During 2005 and 2006 I worked as an advisor to the governments WRAP programme https://wrap.org.uk/ . We were working to drive use of recycled plastics with high end brand names such as Bowers and Wilkins speakers & Meridian Audio/Ferrari. At that time Coca-Cola had already pioneered making their bottles from recycled plastics 15 years earlier. Co-Founded the ocean Conservancy Alliance in 1995 and were, in 2005/6, investing heavily in biodegradeable plant based plastics as an alternative to petroleum based polymers.

Over and above the initiatives outlined in the timeline section in the link below and Reuters article............what additonal measures should Coca-Cola put in place?

https://www.coca-colacompany.com/sustainable-busin...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pla...

Cheers. I also work on the issue and have done so for a long time. I'd say the first of the stats you linked to isn't that good. i.e. "60% of our packaging is either refilled or collected for recycling". For someone like Coke that means masses and masses of stuff not being recycled. They just need to find some way of not producing so much stuff that just becomes landfilled or littered. More refill or more direct involvement in collection systems in countries where help is needed in that respect. For them, 60% is terrible.

[biggbn]

The Spruce Goose said:

biggbn said:

Ah, now you are moving the goalposts.

Look at thread title.

No goalposts moved. Footballers aren't demigods, him taking this stance means he is now open to exposure of all his deals, else why choose Coke as the bad man now, yet happy to take pay packets in the past. He obviously isn't the brightest.

If he wasn't as wealthy as he was he obviously wouldn't have done what he did.

A good one is Nike,. cheap labour product big profit items. Isn't that more of an Ethical issue over Coke, which seems a lot more transparent in what you are buying nowadays?

My post was about your sweeping generalisation that footballers are not very bright, so choosing to reintroduce the morals and ethics of advertising when we were discussing something tangential to the main discussion was if not moving the goalposts, certainly rearranging the jumpers. Man, am happy to agree to disagree, am not looking for an argument, just enjoy discussing these things. I find your posts entertaining and enjoyeable for what it's worth, but I just did not, and do not, feel your generalisation was fair. Enjoy your day brother man, peace, gbn x

[Skodapondy]

Tre Zero said:

Skodapondy said:

On another point what did Locatelli of Italy do as I haven't seen that much yet?

I posted about Manuel Locatelli and it was the same as Ronaldo , removed Coke bottles from his interview .
That was when I also read about the EUFA fines .

Than you Sir

[Crackie]

Randy Winkman said:

Crackie said:

Randy Winkman said:

hidetheelephants said:

smifffymoto said:

There was an interesting video on Youtube on how the Coke and Pepsi are building wells and water purification systems in developing countries as a way to push their products.You only have to look around in the far east to see how easy it is when you give away plastic tables ,chairs and sun umbrellas.

Abstracting huge amounts of water from the water table, harming local farming and then selling the water back to the locals? This is what rural indians were rioting about not long ago.

Crackie said:

Coca-Cola ( and any other manufacturer for that matter ) are not the polluters. The pollution is a direct result of the individual who does not dispose of the bottle, or some other form of packaging, responsibly, having used the product. There is zero excuse for this type of waste in a developed country. In less developed countries there isn't yet the waste collection or recycling infrastructure in place............that is a subject for a different thread.

The issue of waste plastic will not improve whilst people try to absolve themselves of personal responsibility by demonising the polymer itself and/or the manufacturer of the packaging.

Plastic is not the demon here, the people who fail to manage safe recycling or disposal of their own waste are.

bks, the likes of Coke were quite happy to make more profit by replacing glass with plastic bottles and lobby very hard for no surcharges on those plastic bottles to pay for their disposal or to avoid responsibility for end-use/disposal. They are a major reason why there is inadequate infrastructure for dealing with the waste they create. Profit from it? Then clean it up.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Friday 18th June 23:12

I agree. They continue to produce more and more and more of stuff that they know causes a problem.

And the problem is........................people who litter and fail to responsibly dispose of the materials they use.

During 2005 and 2006 I worked as an advisor to the governments WRAP programme https://wrap.org.uk/ . We were working to drive use of recycled plastics with high end brand names such as Bowers and Wilkins speakers & Meridian Audio/Ferrari. At that time Coca-Cola had already pioneered making their bottles from recycled plastics 15 years earlier. Co-Founded the ocean Conservancy Alliance in 1995 and were, in 2005/6, investing heavily in biodegradeable plant based plastics as an alternative to petroleum based polymers.

Over and above the initiatives outlined in the timeline section in the link below and Reuters article............what additonal measures should Coca-Cola put in place?

https://www.coca-colacompany.com/sustainable-busin...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pla...

Cheers. I also work on the issue and have done so for a long time. I'd say the first of the stats you linked to isn't that good. i.e. "60% of our packaging is either refilled or collected for recycling". For someone like Coke that means masses and masses of stuff not being recycled. They just need to find some way of not producing so much stuff that just becomes landfilled or littered. More refill or more direct involvement in collection systems in countries where help is needed in that respect. For them, 60% is terrible.

Cheers too. They've set some very bold targets..........i.e. 100% recyclable packaging by 2025 and collecting and recycling the equivalent of every bottle or can the company sells globally by 2030.

The 60% figure is indeed terrible............i've mentioned this earlier but I think it is wrong to demonise the producer as the polluter. it a very sad indictment of the behaviour of end users rather than Coca-Cola themselves. ( bold below. ) Some people do dispose responsibly but that 60% figure suggests that more than 40% do not because Coke are collecting some of that 60% themselves already. imho since the introduction of their World Without waste initiative I think Coca Cola have become impressively pro-active.

From the following article https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/0... "Coca-Cola was ranked the world’s No 1 plastic polluter by Break Free From Plastic in its annual audit, after its beverage bottles were the most frequently found discarded on beaches, rivers, parks and other litter sites in 51 of 55 nations surveyed."

I don't work for Coco-Cola by the way .....................only ever dink it when it's in a Long Island iced Tea.

[Carl_Manchester]

hyphen said:

......And should be followed immediately with a glass of water to restore the pH balance in the mouth.

That's what the bishop said to the actress.

I don't have an issue with the caffeine, its one of the best drugs in the world. We drunk gallons of the stuff when we were kids in our family but we also led an active life. I then happily guzzled it with Vodka and Bourbon with friends when i hit 18.

There is no evidence that my daughter wants to follow in my footsteps and only drinks fizzy drinks when in a restaurant.

Ronaldo is one of the worlds top athletes, if he wants to support the drinking of bottled water, I am sure Coca Cola can give him some bottles of their smart water brand instead, everyones a winner and maybe that was the better way of handling it.

Infact, the Coca Cola team are that legendary at advertising, it would not surprise me if they (or Pepsi) tried to sign Ronaldo up to promote their bottled water brand(s)

[anonymous-user]

I used to be involved in kids football in Scotland some years ago. I remember the area coach got into trouble with the local SFA for taking the area squad to McDonalds on the way back from an away game. Supposed to be teaching them healthy eating etc.
Trouble was McDonalds sponsored Scottish football.

[Randy Winkman]

Crackie said:

Randy Winkman said:

Crackie said:

Randy Winkman said:

hidetheelephants said:

smifffymoto said:

There was an interesting video on Youtube on how the Coke and Pepsi are building wells and water purification systems in developing countries as a way to push their products.You only have to look around in the far east to see how easy it is when you give away plastic tables ,chairs and sun umbrellas.

Abstracting huge amounts of water from the water table, harming local farming and then selling the water back to the locals? This is what rural indians were rioting about not long ago.

Crackie said:

Coca-Cola ( and any other manufacturer for that matter ) are not the polluters. The pollution is a direct result of the individual who does not dispose of the bottle, or some other form of packaging, responsibly, having used the product. There is zero excuse for this type of waste in a developed country. In less developed countries there isn't yet the waste collection or recycling infrastructure in place............that is a subject for a different thread.

The issue of waste plastic will not improve whilst people try to absolve themselves of personal responsibility by demonising the polymer itself and/or the manufacturer of the packaging.

Plastic is not the demon here, the people who fail to manage safe recycling or disposal of their own waste are.

bks, the likes of Coke were quite happy to make more profit by replacing glass with plastic bottles and lobby very hard for no surcharges on those plastic bottles to pay for their disposal or to avoid responsibility for end-use/disposal. They are a major reason why there is inadequate infrastructure for dealing with the waste they create. Profit from it? Then clean it up.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Friday 18th June 23:12

I agree. They continue to produce more and more and more of stuff that they know causes a problem.

And the problem is........................people who litter and fail to responsibly dispose of the materials they use.

During 2005 and 2006 I worked as an advisor to the governments WRAP programme https://wrap.org.uk/ . We were working to drive use of recycled plastics with high end brand names such as Bowers and Wilkins speakers & Meridian Audio/Ferrari. At that time Coca-Cola had already pioneered making their bottles from recycled plastics 15 years earlier. Co-Founded the ocean Conservancy Alliance in 1995 and were, in 2005/6, investing heavily in biodegradeable plant based plastics as an alternative to petroleum based polymers.

Over and above the initiatives outlined in the timeline section in the link below and Reuters article............what additonal measures should Coca-Cola put in place?

https://www.coca-colacompany.com/sustainable-busin...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pla...

Cheers. I also work on the issue and have done so for a long time. I'd say the first of the stats you linked to isn't that good. i.e. "60% of our packaging is either refilled or collected for recycling". For someone like Coke that means masses and masses of stuff not being recycled. They just need to find some way of not producing so much stuff that just becomes landfilled or littered. More refill or more direct involvement in collection systems in countries where help is needed in that respect. For them, 60% is terrible.

Cheers too. They've set some very bold targets..........i.e. 100% recyclable packaging by 2025 and collecting and recycling the equivalent of every bottle or can the company sells globally by 2030.

The 60% figure is indeed terrible............i've mentioned this earlier but I think it is wrong to demonise the producer as the polluter. it a very sad indictment of the behaviour of end users rather than Coca-Cola themselves. ( bold below. ) Some people do dispose responsibly but that 60% figure suggests that more than 40% do not because Coke are collecting some of that 60% themselves already. imho since the introduction of their World Without waste initiative I think Coca Cola have become impressively pro-active.

From the following article https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/0... "Coca-Cola was ranked the world’s No 1 plastic polluter by Break Free From Plastic in its annual audit, after its beverage bottles were the most frequently found discarded on beaches, rivers, parks and other litter sites in 51 of 55 nations surveyed."

I don't work for Coco-Cola by the way .....................only ever dink it when it's in a Long Island iced Tea.

As far as I'm concerned "100% recyclable packaging by 2025" means pretty much nothing as making things that are recyclable is easy and I'm not sure that anyone should be doing otherwise. "Collecting and recycling the equivalent of every bottle or can the company sells globally by 2030" is great aim and I applaud them for that. Anyway, I don't think we are miles apart on all this so have a good evening.

[hidetheelephants]

Crackie said:

And the problem is........................people who litter and fail to responsibly dispose of the materials they use.

During 2005 and 2006 I worked as an advisor to the governments WRAP programme https://wrap.org.uk/ . We were working to drive use of recycled plastics with high end brand names such as Bowers and Wilkins speakers & Meridian Audio/Ferrari. At that time Coca-Cola had already pioneered making their bottles from recycled plastics 15 years earlier. Co-Founded the ocean Conservancy Alliance in 1995 and were, in 2005/6, investing heavily in biodegradeable plant based plastics as an alternative to petroleum based polymers.

Over and above the initiatives outlined in the timeline section in the link below and Reuters article............what additonal measures should Coca-Cola put in place?

https://www.coca-colacompany.com/sustainable-busin...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pla...

Incentivise them; glass bottles carried a refundable deposit and as a result most bottles found their way back to the maker, ever wonder why that went by the wayside when plastic displaced glass?

hyphen said:

pablo said:

Politicians should be made to wear the logos of all the comapanies that donated money to them while in Parliament akin to a racing drivers flameproof onesie covered in sponsorship logos.

brilliant idea.

Have you started a petition? If it gets to the threshold they will have to discuss is in parliament.

I'd vote for that.

[Crackie]

hidetheelephants said:

Crackie said:

And the problem is........................people who litter and fail to responsibly dispose of the materials they use.

During 2005 and 2006 I worked as an advisor to the governments WRAP programme https://wrap.org.uk/ . We were working to drive use of recycled plastics with high end brand names such as Bowers and Wilkins speakers & Meridian Audio/Ferrari. At that time Coca-Cola had already pioneered making their bottles from recycled plastics 15 years earlier. Co-Founded the ocean Conservancy Alliance in 1995 and were, in 2005/6, investing heavily in biodegradeable plant based plastics as an alternative to petroleum based polymers.

Over and above the initiatives outlined in the timeline section in the link below and Reuters article............what additonal measures should Coca-Cola put in place?

https://www.coca-colacompany.com/sustainable-busin...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pla...

Incentivise them; glass bottles carried a refundable deposit and as a result most bottles found their way back to the maker, ever wonder why that went by the wayside when plastic displaced glass?

hyphen said:

pablo said:

Politicians should be made to wear the logos of all the comapanies that donated money to them while in Parliament akin to a racing drivers flameproof onesie covered in sponsorship logos.

brilliant idea.

Have you started a petition? If it gets to the threshold they will have to discuss is in parliament.

I'd vote for that.

- https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-reform...

[Derek Smith]

Cliffe60 said:

I used to be involved in kids football in Scotland some years ago. I remember the area coach got into trouble with the local SFA for taking the area squad to McDonalds on the way back from an away game. Supposed to be teaching them healthy eating etc.
Trouble was McDonalds sponsored Scottish football.

I was a safeguarding officer at my rugby club. I advised a youth coach (under 15s) as to his conduct with regards mimicking alcohol games with soft drinks, and he pointed out who the sponsor was for an international rugby tournament promoted by the RFU on its website, and that our club was sponsored by an off-licence.

[Mikee19]

Dead cat strategy? Positive PR against a brand he doesn't support.

[Legacywr]

The blokes a narcissist.