RE: NC500-friendly Grand Tourers| Buy Hard

RE: NC500-friendly Grand Tourers| Buy Hard

Saturday 19th June 2021

NC500-friendly Grand Tourers| Buy Hard

It's the Sam Sheehan testimonial edition. Guess what sort of car he had on his mind...



All good things come to an end. Nelly Furtado probably wasn't thinking about Sam Sheehan's time at PH when she wrote that song, but it's true for him too. Alas fate has dealt him a new hand, and he's off to play it now for a less discerning audience. Many have written for PH over the years, yet few have approached it with so much boundless enthusiasm - not just for the subject matter, but also for the unseen and unsung work behind the scenes. Sam brought a cheeriness and can-do attitude along to work everyday without fail, and buoyed our spirits even when he was late and had forgotten to do something essential. He will be missed.

Naturally we will be seeing him off in the usual manner (or five of us will be, suitably spaced) but we've also accorded him the honour of a Buy Hard testimonial, so we can all rejoice at the spectacle of him picking the wrong car one last time. Foolishly we let him choose the battleground, and because he's been (again, foolishly) driving around the North Coast 500 route in his stupid Clio, he said we should all think long and hard about which cars would be better suited to the job of touring Scotland. Which is all of them, of course - but we stoically agreed to land on two.

Nicer colleagues than us might have given him all the money in the world to play with, but going from heavily used Renault to a barely run-in Aston Martin DBS Superleggera doesn't leave the right taste in the mouth, so we've limited proceedings to £50k. Other than that, the car in question simply needs to be subjectively good at the business of propelling two people round some of the best driving roads in the world while accommodating sufficient luggage for a week spent in hotels. To the classifieds...


Aston Martin DB9, 2009, 16k, £49,995

This is a tricky one. For a North Coast 500 dream car, do you prioritise the miles around Scotland, or the miles getting to Scotland? Of course, the best GT cars should more than adequately fulfil both requirements, but surely a suspicion would always linger that your balance of priorities was skewed the wrong way - wanting more of a GT on the motorway or more of a sports car once up there.

I've done the NC500 before, and it was the best couple of days driving I've ever done. That journey was in a GT86 and, though brilliant, it was a tad wearing on the 1,000 miles to and from the route. Initially my £50k was going to an Alpina, because there's little that better blends refinement and entertainment. But if there's a V12 Aston Martin in the hypotehetical GT budget...

This isn't just an old Aston Martin, either, but a manual DB9 Sport Pack - about as focused, beneath the DBS, as the DB9 ever was. I really like the idea of cruising beyond the border in an Aston famed for just that sort of thing, with the additional involvement of a gearlever and an upgraded chassis - lighter wheels, stiffer springs, thicker anti-roll bars - when the opportunity eventually arose. Somehow this one has only covered 16,000 miles since 2009, too - maybe I'll have to do two laps of the route, then...


Bentley Continental GT V8, 2013, 37k, £54,965

Go big or go home. Or better yet, go comfy and fast and four-wheel drive. Is the venerable GT the car we'd choose to scramble up Applecross? No. If you're looking for something liveable and lithe for under £50k, I suggest you buy an Alpine A110 and persuade your other half that evening wear should be limited to a nightie. But if you want something that's going to romp round Scotland in idiosyncratic style while offering a liberal amount of elbow room, you choose Bentley.

Of course, for the money, you could have the rapacious W12. But I wouldn't. The 4.0-litre V8 introduced in 2012 is better (if not quite as nice as the S version launched two years later) chiefly because it feels less onerous over the nose, but also because it emits the kind of seductive growl that suits the GT down to the ground. On a motorway - because there's plenty of that involved either side of doing the NC500 - the car is imperious. Less so out of a tight right hander, but I guarantee you'll spend less time questioning the decision than Sam did in Blue Flame.

Certainly there are few better viewing platforms for taking in a coast or a loch or an oversized hill. You'll observe them with magnanimous pleasure as you sweep by. And when it rains - as it assuredly will do at some point - you won't have to slow down so much because Bentley had the foresight to fit four-wheel drive to its tourer-bruiser from day one. There are several examples in the classifieds just under budget, but I'd haggle hard to bag this one in cloudburst grey. Then pack heavy.


987 Porsche Boxster Spyder, 2010, 31k, £44,950

While I'll go to the grave vowing that no car could possibly be actually more fun on the NC500 than my Clio 182, I'll admit that when it comes to its grand touring abilities, there's room for improvement. A lot of room. Which is why I've gone for a car that's neither more spacious nor better at doing grand tourer things for my final Buy Hard choice: a 987 Porsche Boxster Spyder. PistonHeads has never been about logical decisions, after all...

Stay with me, though, because the Boxster Spyder is a car in which you could absolutely expect to have a very good time touring. Ok, so the thin roof doesn't provide masses of insulation for the motorway slog up to the Highlands, nor will its manual, tent-like operation be appreciated much when the rains suddenly arrive over the next crest. But as a fairly compact, light and surprisingly supple mid-engined sports car, what it can do on the actual NC500 ought to more than make up for the tinnitus that sets in permanently halfway up the M74.

After all, this is one of the finest driver's cars known to man, perfectly poised to let you breathe in that Highlands air and soak up its sights while dancing along any section of its 500-mile route. The car I've chosen here is the holy grail of 987 Boxster, as it mixes the bark and delivery of that 320hp 3.4-litre flat-six with a manual gearbox. For someone who did the NC500 from London and back in a 133k-mile-old coilover-shod Clio, the thought of one day returning in this light-footed alternative sounds like an absolute dream.

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blue al

Original Poster:

944 posts

159 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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No narrow roads on the 500? Good visibility around corners ?

The Lake District in a TT was a wheel curbing cringe fest with a series 3 landy or a bigger SUV oncoming in the middle of the road around every corner.

Lucky the wife was driving but at no stage did I want to repeat the experience in my own car.
Is the 500 really that suitable for a big Bentley or Aston?

Try this, far lower mileage and the savings it will pay for a lot of hotel nights, new tyres, fuel and still have enough in the bank account for another 5 trips
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11593046

Edited 4-3 by blue al too early to type 19th June 05:36


Edited by blue al on Saturday 19th June 09:13

Billy_Whizzzz

2,007 posts

143 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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blue al said:
with a series 4 landy or a bigger SUV oncoming in the middle of the road around every corner.
Genuine question - what’s a series 4 Landy?

Baked_bean

1,908 posts

192 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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I took my old S2000 around 2 years ago and would recommend it to those on a lower budget, sam is correct that roof down is the best way to take it all in….I wouldn’t want a Bentley on some of the narrow and tighter roads.


stuart100

474 posts

57 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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blue al said:
No narrow roads on the 500? Good visibility around corners ?

The Lake District in a TT was a wheel curbing cringe fest with a series 4 landy or a bigger SUV oncoming in the middle of the road around every corner.

Lucky the wife was driving but at no stage did I want to repeat the experience in my own car.
Is the 500 really that suitable for a big Bentley or Aston?

Try this, far lower mileage and the savings it will pay for a lot of hotel nights, new tyres, fuel and still have enough in the bank account for another 5 trips
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11593046

Edited by blue al on Saturday 19th June 05:36
I’ve just been in May in my 2010 M3. I had no concerns about corners and kerbs. I hate going near kerbs. And it frustrates me cars continue to get wider and wider and roads do not. Nearly clipped an idiot 4x4 driver the other day in the south because his car is too big for the road.

scoobyc

565 posts

231 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Unless you just plan to cruise around it and take in the views don't go for the Aston or Bentley imho. I've lived in Thurso on the NC500 for over 40 years and when I had my new at the time F10 M5, I felt it was too big and heavy for progressive driving on these roads before you take into consideration the order of magnitude increase in vehicles on the road up here now. Get any hire car if you want to admire the scenery and if you want the drive to be the most important part pick anything that's B road friendly and handles undulating and broken roads - mx5, any boxster/cayman/911, hot hatches like golf r, etc. Its great in supercars too that have compliant suspension but it's not a lot better if that makes sense, think laws of diminishing returns. All in my humble opinion of driving some of these roads nearly every day.

coppice

8,606 posts

144 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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The best way I found to enjoy the roads in NW Scotland was driving my Caterhams there a very long time before anyone even thought of the bloody NC500 . Wide cars are often useless , and closed cars miss the point of experiencing that wonderful environment . At least it was wonderful before everyone decided it was on their bucket list - 'cos it'd been on the telly innit .

jon-yprpe

383 posts

88 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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(or five of us will be, suitably spaced)

Herewith the importance of grammar for the youngsters, take away the comma and you’ll have a completely different set of celebrations at PH Towers.

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Maybe I’m mistaken but the only one in the article truly suitable NC500 is the Boxster and even then a base model would have its own merits over the Spyder.

My list of criteria is;

  • Refined enough that you don’t hate the car before you start - unless you’re a local.
  • Entertaining handling over out right limits
  • Involvement, so a manual
  • As compact as possible
This is why roadsters and hot hatches seem to be the best choice.

It’s like seeing Harry Metcalfe quit the Hardknott Pass in SLR, interesting road but I’d have never entertained it in any that big - my 106 Quicksilver felt rather at home there and I don’t think I exceeded 30mph.

romac

595 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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I'm with those who say the Aston and Bentley are too big and inappropriate. Wonderful cars, but a bit sledge-hammer-to-crack-a-nut. Open-top is the way to go, in something relatively small / narrow. One friend did it in his Elise and camping, but he was travelling 1-up. Another, with his son, in a gen-3 Toyota MR2, staying B&B.

Get a little bit irritated by these Southerners who moan about the motorway miles to get there. Not everyone on PH is based in the sleepy south, yer know! It's all so clichéd (he said, somewhat ironically) and detracts from the story.

So long, Sam, and thanks for the craic!

benzinbob

750 posts

56 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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All far too pricey. I feel you’re missing the point of it taking a Bentley. Enjoy Scotland, freedom, peace n all that. Plus, you’re still going to encounter some st drivers whatever you’re driving.


Laup99

182 posts

228 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Boxster all day long.

Perfect for the roads and roof down. Even if the weather was bad wrap up and still have it down.

It makes a huge difference to your experience.

biggles330d

1,540 posts

150 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Definitely needs to be something that is narrow, has good suspension travel and not too hard riding, speed doesn't matter much as lots of it is single track and poorly surfaced, higher profile tyres will protect those alloys from clunking rocks on the verge. There are some lovely open sweeping sections, but its a route to enjoy the ride and views rather than to set any records around.
Of that list, the Boxster every day. The others too big, heavy and expensive and you'll forever be wincing about alloys and wing mirrors as you squeeze past wheezing camper vans and caravans.

As for the slog up to Scotland, it's a perspective thing. I live up here and my perspective of having to slog down to the South East regularly is wildly different from friends down there considering coming north. For them, they plan way in advance, rarely come as its a long way and it's like they are anticipating a trip to the moon. Me, I'd jump in the car this afternoon and just head off. Scotland is a big land mass and hours of driving to get to places outside the central belt is just a fact of life. And when heading to Europe, that schlep down the length of the A1 is just the local bit before you hit the channel tunnel and the adventure actually begins.

Edited by biggles330d on Saturday 19th June 09:36

PSB1967

281 posts

156 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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romac said:
I
Get a little bit irritated by these Southerners who moan about the motorway miles to get there. Not everyone on PH is based in the sleepy south, yer know! It's all so clichéd (he said, somewhat ironically) and detracts from the story.
Agreed. I live 'down south' so parked my Fiesta ST3 at Luton and flew to Inverness. 2 people £128 return. An hour in a plane and less cost than the fuel to drive there. I then picked up a hire car from Arnold Clarke. I chose an XC60. It was too big for some roads but felt ideal, especially for those moments we turned a corner and 2 ton of Highland beef was laying across the road ahead.

james6546

983 posts

51 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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We are going to to be doing our own interpretation of the nc500 in Sept and have got to choose between a 66 plate L200 with AT tyres, or a 2005 saab 9-3 v6 estate! Both auto...

The wife thinks the L200 as we can kit it out with a fridge and the dog will have more space, but I want to take the saab as it'll be more fun. They do similar mpg of about 30 in the L200 and 35 in the saab. Though I guess the saab might have fallen apart by the end...

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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PSB1967 said:
romac said:
I
Get a little bit irritated by these Southerners who moan about the motorway miles to get there. Not everyone on PH is based in the sleepy south, yer know! It's all so clichéd (he said, somewhat ironically) and detracts from the story.
Agreed. I live 'down south' so parked my Fiesta ST3 at Luton and flew to Inverness. 2 people £128 return. An hour in a plane and less cost than the fuel to drive there. I then picked up a hire car from Arnold Clarke. I chose an XC60. It was too big for some roads but felt ideal, especially for those moments we turned a corner and 2 ton of Highland beef was laying across the road ahead.
First time I’ve been called a southerner, being from Leeds and living in Manchester.



benzinbob

750 posts

56 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Dale487 said:
PSB1967 said:
romac said:
I
Get a little bit irritated by these Southerners who moan about the motorway miles to get there. Not everyone on PH is based in the sleepy south, yer know! It's all so clichéd (he said, somewhat ironically) and detracts from the story.
Agreed. I live 'down south' so parked my Fiesta ST3 at Luton and flew to Inverness. 2 people £128 return. An hour in a plane and less cost than the fuel to drive there. I then picked up a hire car from Arnold Clarke. I chose an XC60. It was too big for some roads but felt ideal, especially for those moments we turned a corner and 2 ton of Highland beef was laying across the road ahead.
First time I’ve been called a southerner, being from Leeds and living in Manchester.
Still south of Scotland though

PH User

22,154 posts

108 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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I think a road trip is more about enjoying the time with your mates, so almost any car is ok. But my preference would be something that's small, lightweight and with a roof that comes off, oh and a manual gearbox.

Pooh

3,692 posts

253 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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benzinbob said:
Dale487 said:
PSB1967 said:
romac said:
I
Get a little bit irritated by these Southerners who moan about the motorway miles to get there. Not everyone on PH is based in the sleepy south, yer know! It's all so clichéd (he said, somewhat ironically) and detracts from the story.
Agreed. I live 'down south' so parked my Fiesta ST3 at Luton and flew to Inverness. 2 people £128 return. An hour in a plane and less cost than the fuel to drive there. I then picked up a hire car from Arnold Clarke. I chose an XC60. It was too big for some roads but felt ideal, especially for those moments we turned a corner and 2 ton of Highland beef was laying across the road ahead.
First time I’ve been called a southerner, being from Leeds and living in Manchester.
Still south of Scotland though
And still in the southern part of the British mainland so definitely a Southerner.

Pooh

3,692 posts

253 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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I drove my Maserati GranTurismo S on many of these roads and it was great fun but I agree that a smaller lighter car is better.

leglessAlex

5,448 posts

141 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Did it with my Evora, seemed ideal to me other than the lack of a removable roof.

Loads of luggage space, really good suspension that isn't overly stiff, not that wide, long or low.