First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics

[Northernboy]

chrispmartha said:

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

Cis. You keep using it. And it’s not speaking for women. You’d speak up if someone was using the n word in just the same way.

[Kateg28]

chrispmartha said:

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

I haven’t said anything about CIS or TERF or used them, fwiw I don’t like the Terf, CIS doesn’t bother me though.

Also You don’t need to have had genital surgery to have gone through gender reassignment

You keep using the term, you know it’s offensive to many women, but choose to continue.

Why?

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

I am a woman. I do not see why I have to be labelled as a ciswoman. I was born a woman and I am a woman.

[RobbieTheTruth]

chrispmartha said:

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

I haven’t said anything about CIS or TERF or used them, fwiw I don’t like the Terf, CIS doesn’t bother me though.

Also You don’t need to have had genital surgery to have gone through gender reassignment

You keep using the term, you know it’s offensive to many women, but choose to continue.

Why?

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

Would you be ok with a recently transitioned male heavyweight boxer fighting against the number 2 female in the world, who is 51 years old and 5 foot 7?

[BobsPigeon]

She's a Tert, I like her.

Edited by BobsPigeon on Tuesday 22 June 21:19

[chrispmartha]

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

Cis. You keep using it. And it’s not speaking for women. You’d speak up if someone was using the n word in just the same way.

Where have I used the word Cisgender in the discussion?

You seriously think Cisgender is the equivalent as the N word?

Your anti trans stance is seriously clouding your judgement.

Every thread on this subject you claim to know how women feel on the subject, im sure some do feel the same as you id bet hell of a lot dont, no matter how many mumsnet threads you post.

[chrispmartha]

RobbieTheTruth said:

chrispmartha said:

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

I haven’t said anything about CIS or TERF or used them, fwiw I don’t like the Terf, CIS doesn’t bother me though.

Also You don’t need to have had genital surgery to have gone through gender reassignment

You keep using the term, you know it’s offensive to many women, but choose to continue.

Why?

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

Would you be ok with a recently transitioned male heavyweight boxer fighting against the number 2 female in the world, who is 51 years old and 5 foot 7?

What on earth has that got to do with the posts you’ve quoted?

I have repeatedly said I haven’t got strong opinions on trans people in sports, i think it’s up to the sports scientists and governing bodies to decide.

Has what you suggested happened? If so did they pass the criteria to be able to compete in that fight?

[otolith]

Iwantafusca said:

chrispmartha said:

Also You don’t need to have had genital surgery to have gone through gender reassignment

What difference does it make to his results ?

Less weight to lift?

[105.4]

I think this is fking hilarious. This man woman is going to absolutely trounce all of his her competitors, and I’ll wager that none of them will have the balls to speak up about it for fear of being cancelled by the ever tolerant Left.

I can’t wait to witness the mental gymnastics that will be required to be both a feminist and fully support trans rights.

I’m really, really hoping that this completely opens the floodgates to men women competing in all levels of women’s sport.

[g3org3y]

Kateg28 said:

chrispmartha said:

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

I haven’t said anything about CIS or TERF or used them, fwiw I don’t like the Terf, CIS doesn’t bother me though.

Also You don’t need to have had genital surgery to have gone through gender reassignment

You keep using the term, you know it’s offensive to many women, but choose to continue.

Why?

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

I am a woman. I do not see why I have to be labelled as a ciswoman. I was born a woman and I am a woman.

OEM Woman.

[105.4]

g3org3y said:

Kateg28 said:

chrispmartha said:

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

I haven’t said anything about CIS or TERF or used them, fwiw I don’t like the Terf, CIS doesn’t bother me though.

Also You don’t need to have had genital surgery to have gone through gender reassignment

You keep using the term, you know it’s offensive to many women, but choose to continue.

Why?

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

I am a woman. I do not see why I have to be labelled as a ciswoman. I was born a woman and I am a woman.

OEM Woman.

I believe the correct bkss to use this week is “birthing person”, but there again, that’s exclusionary to individuals who don’t self-identify as a person.

But there again, using the term ‘individuals’ is exclusionary to beings that don’t identify as an individual.

But there again, using the term ’self’ is exclusionary to life-forms that identify as being on a higher plain of existence than this planet, solar system, galaxy or even universe.

Sorry for any confusion. I’m just trying to be as inclusive as possible.

[BobsPigeon]

g3org3y said:

Kateg28 said:

chrispmartha said:

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

I haven’t said anything about CIS or TERF or used them, fwiw I don’t like the Terf, CIS doesn’t bother me though.

Also You don’t need to have had genital surgery to have gone through gender reassignment

You keep using the term, you know it’s offensive to many women, but choose to continue.

Why?

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

I am a woman. I do not see why I have to be labelled as a ciswoman. I was born a woman and I am a woman.

OEM Woman.

Milker is the correct term for non trans women I believe.

[Gecko1978]

8.4L 154 said:

I'm assuming you haven't read 1984 as you have it backwards.

Orwellian newspeak is the removal of words from the language so that the things they describe can no longer be talked about, Cisgender is a word that is used to give equivalence in conversation when talking about trans and non trans people. It has the same effect as hetrosexual and homosexual, straight and gay etc and the same people who claim its a slur likely claimed hetrosexual was 20 years ago. The only people being orwellian are the ones claiming cisgender is a slur as their intent is to prevent its use and prevent trans inclusive people from participation in conversation about trans lives on an equal basis.

Hetro and Homo sexual are two different preferences. Men are Men and women are Women. You can't be both (bar a very small .minority of genetic defects). Gender we seem to say can be many things and different from sex and yet we seem to want to add lables to Sex so that genders are equal. But a genetic fact is not the same as an emotional belief. So Cis is not required I am a man and a women who wishes to be known as a man is a Trans Man there is not need to lable me Man is enough. But that all said I don't actually care.

[chrispmartha]

Gecko1978 said:

Hetro and Homo sexual are two different preferences..

preferences?

That’s an outdated term aswell ;-)

[anonymous-user]

So can I self-identify as a 5 year old and participate in my nephew's primary school sports day? Always fancied myself as the Egg 'n Spoon champion. Patently ridiculous of course, but no different to those who think they can ignore science/biology and 'transition' to the opposite gender. Society's problem is that it (by 'it' I especially mean many young middle-class liberal leftie women) has pandered to those with mental health issues surrounding their identities. Now it's coming home to roost and I await the outcry from 'women' when their 'safe spaces' have been violated and their chances at success in their chosen sports have been unfairly taken from them by trans athletes. Zero interest and zero fks given from me. Maybe there should be an XY chromosome series of events, and an XX series

[anonymous-user]

8.4L 154 said:

I'm assuming you haven't read 1984 as you have it backwards.

Orwellian newspeak is the removal of words from the language so that the things they describe can no longer be talked about, Cisgender is a word that is used to give equivalence in conversation when talking about trans and non trans people. It has the same effect as hetrosexual and homosexual, straight and gay etc and the same people who claim its a slur likely claimed hetrosexual was 20 years ago. The only people being orwellian are the ones claiming cisgender is a slur as their intent is to prevent its use and prevent trans inclusive people from participation in conversation about trans lives on an equal basis.

According to an article in Transgender Studies Quarterly, the term cisgender was coined by transgender activists in the 90s to create a better way to describe people who aren’t transgender.

Absolutely no need for it of course as there is already terms. Man and woman. Or transwoman and transman.

We are not “cis” as we are not a subset of our own sex class.


https://notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/2020/07/1...


Cis is a slur.

[RobbieTheTruth]

chrispmartha said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

chrispmartha said:

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

I haven’t said anything about CIS or TERF or used them, fwiw I don’t like the Terf, CIS doesn’t bother me though.

Also You don’t need to have had genital surgery to have gone through gender reassignment

You keep using the term, you know it’s offensive to many women, but choose to continue.

Why?

Keep using what term?

And again speaking for women i see.

Edited by chrispmartha on Tuesday 22 June 21:05

Would you be ok with a recently transitioned male heavyweight boxer fighting against the number 2 female in the world, who is 51 years old and 5 foot 7?

What on earth has that got to do with the posts you’ve quoted?

I have repeatedly said I haven’t got strong opinions on trans people in sports, i think it’s up to the sports scientists and governing bodies to decide.

Has what you suggested happened? If so did they pass the criteria to be able to compete in that fight?

Predictably, you can't answer it and revert to the standard default - 'it hasn't happened so it's not an issue'.

You know it would be utter lunacy. Just like allowing an ex-male weightlifter to compete against the women.

I imagine you're desperately hoping she doesn't win second so you say it wasn't an issue.

A lot of people in here are looking forward to the hilarity of her winning gold and having the brass neck to stand on the podium above the other two women live on TV.

[Newc]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Predictably, you can't answer it and revert to the standard default - 'it hasn't happened so it's not an issue'.

You know it would be utter lunacy. Just like allowing an ex-male weightlifter to compete against the women.

I imagine you're desperately hoping she doesn't win second so you say it wasn't an issue.

A lot of people in here are looking forward to the hilarity of her winning gold and having the brass neck to stand on the podium above the other two women live on TV.

It's something of a shame that it's going to be in front of a restricted, polite, Japanese audience who will dutifully applaud the fraudulent gold medal when it is presented.

If this crap is allowed to continue on into the french 2024 events, I suspect the stadium audience will not be quite so...accommodating.

[chrispmartha]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Predictably, you can't answer it and revert to the standard default - 'it hasn't happened so it's not an issue'.

You know it would be utter lunacy. Just like allowing an ex-male weightlifter to compete against the women.

I imagine you're desperately hoping she doesn't win second so you say it wasn't an issue.

A lot of people in here are looking forward to the hilarity of her winning gold and having the brass neck to stand on the podium above the other two women live on TV.

I did answer it. I am happy to leave it to the governing bodies and sports scientists to decide what’s allowed.

I don’t particularly care whether she wins or not, weightlifting isn’t a sport I follow.

[RobbieTheTruth]

chrispmartha said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Predictably, you can't answer it and revert to the standard default - 'it hasn't happened so it's not an issue'.

You know it would be utter lunacy. Just like allowing an ex-male weightlifter to compete against the women.

I imagine you're desperately hoping she doesn't win second so you say it wasn't an issue.

A lot of people in here are looking forward to the hilarity of her winning gold and having the brass neck to stand on the podium above the other two women live on TV.

I did answer it. I am happy to leave it to the governing bodies and sports scientists to decide what’s allowed.

I don’t particularly care whether she wins or not, weightlifting isn’t a sport I follow.

You did answer it.

You're not prepared to say a trans male should fight a woman because you know it's lunacy, so you hid.

I'm not asking if you'll sanction it. I'm asking if you think it should be allowed. You can't say yes.

You seem more than happy about the other sports though, where the other women won't get their heads caved in.

[chrispmartha]

RobbieTheTruth said:

chrispmartha said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Predictably, you can't answer it and revert to the standard default - 'it hasn't happened so it's not an issue'.

You know it would be utter lunacy. Just like allowing an ex-male weightlifter to compete against the women.

I imagine you're desperately hoping she doesn't win second so you say it wasn't an issue.

A lot of people in here are looking forward to the hilarity of her winning gold and having the brass neck to stand on the podium above the other two women live on TV.

I did answer it. I am happy to leave it to the governing bodies and sports scientists to decide what’s allowed.

I don’t particularly care whether she wins or not, weightlifting isn’t a sport I follow.

You did answer it.

You're not prepared to say a trans male should fight a woman because you know it's lunacy, so you hid.

I'm not asking if you'll sanction it. I'm asking if you think it should be allowed. You can't say yes.

You seem more than happy about the other sports though, where the other women won't get their heads caved in.

Not my issue if you don’t like my answer to your daft question.


Why are you not up in arms about Patricio Manuel? I mean in your opinion he is a she, and you’re against men fighting against women?