First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics

First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics

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chrispmartha

15,433 posts

129 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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trails said:
chrispmartha said:
Yes obviously having a different opinion is trolling. The only people i have said are wrong are the ones using transphobic language, if you can point to where i have done otherwise then do it.

Im certainly bored of repeating myself, yes.
I'm bored, but not bored enough to review every single post in this thread and look for some nuanced reply that I think proves your statement wrong.

If you are bored rather than a trolling, stand by your assertation and stop posting?
Well I didn’t say id stop posting, i just thought the ‘debate’ between robbie and I was literally going nowhere.

But yes it’s a total waste of energy (as is this whole biard to be honest) so ill stop.

Cue robbie saying ive ‘flounced’ and that it proves something or other. ;-)

RobbieTheTruth

1,875 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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chrispmartha said:
trails said:
chrispmartha said:
Yes obviously having a different opinion is trolling. The only people i have said are wrong are the ones using transphobic language, if you can point to where i have done otherwise then do it.

Im certainly bored of repeating myself, yes.
I'm bored, but not bored enough to review every single post in this thread and look for some nuanced reply that I think proves your statement wrong.

If you are bored rather than a trolling, stand by your assertation and stop posting?
Well I didn’t say id stop posting, i just thought the ‘debate’ between robbie and I was literally going nowhere.

But yes it’s a total waste of energy (as is this whole biard to be honest) so ill stop.

Cue robbie saying ive ‘flounced’ and that it proves something or other. ;-)
Like he said, consistent non-answers, whilst simultaneous telling others they are wrong and 'lets just leave it there comments'...then you come back again and repeat the same behaviours.

You are everything wrong with this debate.

Focusing on the 'anti-trans' without suggesting a fair idea on how sport can progress (and admitting you don't know).

Basically, do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected.


chrispmartha

15,433 posts

129 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RobbieTheTruth said:
Like he said, consistent non-answers, whilst simultaneous telling others they are wrong and 'lets just leave it there comments'...then you come back again and repeat the same behaviours.

You are everything wrong with this debate.

Focusing on the 'anti-trans' without suggesting a fair idea on how sport can progress (and admitting you don't know).

Basically, do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected.
Utter nonsense, but whatever, have a good evening.

RobbieTheTruth

1,875 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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chrispmartha said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
Like he said, consistent non-answers, whilst simultaneous telling others they are wrong and 'lets just leave it there comments'...then you come back again and repeat the same behaviours.

You are everything wrong with this debate.

Focusing on the 'anti-trans' without suggesting a fair idea on how sport can progress (and admitting you don't know).

Basically, do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected.
Utter nonsense, but whatever, have a good evening.
So what's your opinion then?

Or will you just blindly agree with every single governing body that regulates their sport - even though they are completely at odds in Rugby and Weightlifting?

coppernorks

1,919 posts

46 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Amazing that intelligent posters still need a definition of Woke, or are they just being thick ?

It's a word that's been around some time, and on PH it's certainly bandied about in almost every thread.

InitialDave

11,879 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RobbieTheTruth said:
Basically, do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected.
That's not an especially terrible stance tbf.

RobbieTheTruth

1,875 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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InitialDave said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
Basically, do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected.
That's not an especially terrible stance tbf.
It is.

The key word being whatever.

The 'whatever' in this example is letting ex-males compete against females in strength sports despite them having huge biological advantages.

MC Bodge

21,620 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RobbieTheTruth said:
InitialDave said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
Basically, do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected.
That's not an especially terrible stance tbf.
It is.

The key word being whatever.

The 'whatever' in this example is letting ex-males compete against females in strength sports despite them having huge biological advantages.
I have to agree with this.

It is potentially sacrificing the whole of women's sport for an admittedly very difficult issue for a very small minority of people and governing bodies could end up spending a long time and legal fees on this.


InitialDave

11,879 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Then pick a different "whatever"

633Squadron

1,727 posts

37 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Weightlifting is one of those sports that you don’t need to show your maximum strength.



You just need to lift a kg more than your nearest competitor.

Expecting a Trans Medal here

RobbieTheTruth

1,875 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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InitialDave said:
Then pick a different "whatever"
What? You're the one who said "do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected" was a good policy.

What do you think the 'whatever' was going to refer to?

RobbieTheTruth

1,875 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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633Squadron said:
Weightlifting is one of those sports that you don’t need to show your maximum strength.



You just need to lift a kg more than your nearest competitor.

Expecting a Trans Medal here
She's 43 and coming off a massive injury. She's not got world records, but then she apparently stopped lifting as a male in 2001, transitioned in 2012 and took up lifting again in 2017.

So at the age of 39, having not trained for 16 years she rapidly became a national champion and is in with a shot of a medal as a 43-year-old.

Imagine if she'd transitioned in 2007 and then took it up as a female in 2009.

RobbieTheTruth

1,875 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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The current world record overall in women's weight lifting is 335kg, set this year by Li Wenwen, a woman who weighs 150kg.

By comparison, the men's 67kg class world record is 339kg.


InitialDave

11,879 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RobbieTheTruth said:
What? You're the one who said "do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected" was a good policy.

What do you think the 'whatever' was going to refer to?
Whatever you think will solve the sports issue

RobbieTheTruth

1,875 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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InitialDave said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
What? You're the one who said "do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected" was a good policy.

What do you think the 'whatever' was going to refer to?
Whatever you think will solve the sports issue
Have you read the thread?

InitialDave

11,879 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RobbieTheTruth said:
Have you read the thread?
Yes.

MC Bodge

21,620 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RobbieTheTruth said:
She's 43 and coming off a massive injury. She's not got world records, but then she apparently stopped lifting as a male in 2001, transitioned in 2012 and took up lifting again in 2017.

So at the age of 39, having not trained for 16 years she rapidly became a national champion and is in with a shot of a medal as a 43-year-old.
If that is all true, then that is ridiculous and an awful situation for women's sport.

How could anybody believe that to be a reasonable situation?

Gecko1978

9,679 posts

157 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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MC Bodge said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
She's 43 and coming off a massive injury. She's not got world records, but then she apparently stopped lifting as a male in 2001, transitioned in 2012 and took up lifting again in 2017.

So at the age of 39, having not trained for 16 years she rapidly became a national champion and is in with a shot of a medal as a 43-year-old.
If that is all true, then that is ridiculous and an awful situation for women's sport.

How could anybody believe that to be a reasonable situation?
Laurel believes its ok because she has zero sporting integrity

Randy Winkman

16,091 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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MC Bodge said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
InitialDave said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
Basically, do whatever as long as trans-rights are protected.
That's not an especially terrible stance tbf.
It is.

The key word being whatever.

The 'whatever' in this example is letting ex-males compete against females in strength sports despite them having huge biological advantages.
I have to agree with this.

It is potentially sacrificing the whole of women's sport for an admittedly very difficult issue for a very small minority of people and governing bodies could end up spending a long time and legal fees on this.
That's how I feel and I'm as woke as they come.

RobbieTheTruth

1,875 posts

119 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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InitialDave said:
RobbieTheTruth said:
Have you read the thread?
Yes.
And presumably you understand the advantages of a male body over a female when it comes to strength?

What do you think should happen re. Hubbard?

Should they compete in the Olympics against females?
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