Eco- Warriers. Are They All Hypocrites?
Discussion
StevieBee said:
You're not wrong. Her ire is directly squared to governments and industry who have the power to implement change but either ignore the need or choose not to.
She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
Yeah but she consumes oxygen, so hypocrite.She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
Esceptico said:
People on here claiming that awareness of environmental issues are not required yet so little is being done politically. I think the point people are missing is that individuals will not be able to make significant changes by themselves but if the majority hold governments to account and push environmental issues to the top of the agenda then real change could be possible.
I disagree, up to a point. The government can set a law saying that all cars/planes must be less polluting. That has a big effect but takes years to happen. Or we can all stop flying. That happens over night. Ok, that's never going to happen (well apart from last year) but to my earlier point about littering. Reducing litter will help the environment enormously. It's already illegal. What should the government do? Maybe if every single person did some thing really small, it pick up one piece of litter when they're out for a walk, or not drop one from their car, think how much better the world would be. Small actions are much quicker but require lots of us not to be selfish.
StevieBee said:
You're not wrong. Her ire is directly squared to governments and industry who have the power to implement change but either ignore the need or choose not to.
She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
I remember the Greta Thunberg thread but don't know if it's still there or if it got deleted like many others seem to.She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
Not one of PistonHeads finest moments.
Esceptico said:
I doubt the people that are anti Greta take much, if any, time to listen to what she actually says. Same with any campaigner for environmental protection. The claims of hypocrisy are justification for not listening or ignoring what is being said.
People on here claiming that awareness of environmental issues are not required yet so little is being done politically. I think the point people are missing is that individuals will not be able to make significant changes by themselves but if the majority hold governments to account and push environmental issues to the top of the agenda then real change could be possible.
There are many ways to solve the problem. One extreme would be top-down where industry is encouraged to change, and those changes are then forced on the individual. This seems to be what Greta favours. Another extreme is bottom-up, where an induvial is encouraged to change, and companies are forced to adapt to the demands of the market. I favour this.People on here claiming that awareness of environmental issues are not required yet so little is being done politically. I think the point people are missing is that individuals will not be able to make significant changes by themselves but if the majority hold governments to account and push environmental issues to the top of the agenda then real change could be possible.
Me criticising Greta for making poor decisions as an individual and funding bad companies in the market, is directly equivalent to her criticizing governments/industry for not forcing change on individuals. We are both consistent with how we think the problem should be solved.
StevieBee said:
You're not wrong. Her ire is directly squared to governments and industry who have the power to implement change but either ignore the need or choose not to.
She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
She's just an easily influenced little puppet who repeats whatever she's been programmed to say/think. Any ire should be towards the puppetmasters.She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
StevieBee said:
You're not wrong. Her ire is directly squared to governments and industry who have the power to implement change but either ignore the need or choose not to.
She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
About sums it up it I believe.She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
Same as the people that voted in the recent by-election where I am.
All moaning about losing freedom of movement and how the "thickos" have stolen their children's futures, but at the same time are aghast that new houses need to be built in the constituency.
What do these people think will happen when you allow 6 million plus people into the country?
All moaning about losing freedom of movement and how the "thickos" have stolen their children's futures, but at the same time are aghast that new houses need to be built in the constituency.
What do these people think will happen when you allow 6 million plus people into the country?
Esceptico said:
Randy Winkman said:
Does Greta Thunberg place the blame on ordinary people? I thought her main beef was with governments. By all means correct me if I'm wrong.
I doubt the people that are anti Greta take much, if any, time to listen to what she actually says. Same with any campaigner for environmental protection. The claims of hypocrisy are justification for not listening or ignoring what is being said. People on here claiming that awareness of environmental issues are not required yet so little is being done politically. I think the point people are missing is that individuals will not be able to make significant changes by themselves but if the majority hold governments to account and push environmental issues to the top of the agenda then real change could be possible.
markcoznottz said:
Esceptico said:
Randy Winkman said:
Does Greta Thunberg place the blame on ordinary people? I thought her main beef was with governments. By all means correct me if I'm wrong.
I doubt the people that are anti Greta take much, if any, time to listen to what she actually says. Same with any campaigner for environmental protection. The claims of hypocrisy are justification for not listening or ignoring what is being said. People on here claiming that awareness of environmental issues are not required yet so little is being done politically. I think the point people are missing is that individuals will not be able to make significant changes by themselves but if the majority hold governments to account and push environmental issues to the top of the agenda then real change could be possible.
The problem is people tend to misread the narrative and believe that we have these eco-mental governments pushing to remove us from our cars, ban foreign holidays and what not, supported by the likes of Greta Thunberg who'd rather we all eat grass and live in caves. Nothing could be further from the truth.
When you look subjectively at the issue, only the spectacularly selfish and terminally dim would deny there’s some pretty serious problems to solve. Even if you choose to consider Climate Change as a load of b
ks, take a look at the rate of oil consumption, plastic waste crisis or impacts of intensive farming, NOX pollution and the impact this has on public health. These are not hypothetical, abstract concepts. But somewhere along the way this perception builds that it’s all our fault. People become unnecessarily defence using absurd science to justify objection or inaction. EVs are a good example of this…
“Ah yes, but what about the materials needed for the battery?….shipping the batteries around the world….. what happens when the batteries reach their end of life?…..”
The entire premises of EVs is rooted in two things; reducing oil consumption and pollution control. It’s relatively easy to control the emissions from a few hundred power stations than it is from 20 million cars. And a reduction in oil consumption will preserve the 50 years or so of oil left in the ground for further into the future. That’s it. Nobody is pretending otherwise but many have this idea that they’re being promoted as some kind of eco-saviour at the expense of our own freedom of choice. They’re still cars. They do exactly the same thing. We just cleaner air to breathe.
It is possible accuse some of hypocrisy on all this. However, using the hypocrisy of others as justification for developing an opposing view or choosing not to act contrary to common thinking is a bit weak.
Unknown_User said:
StevieBee said:
You're not wrong. Her ire is directly squared to governments and industry who have the power to implement change but either ignore the need or choose not to.
She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
About sums it up it I believe.She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
markcoznottz said:
Unknown_User said:
StevieBee said:
You're not wrong. Her ire is directly squared to governments and industry who have the power to implement change but either ignore the need or choose not to.
She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
About sums it up it I believe.She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Why is it a left wing thing?
Because a left-wing political orientation tends to embrace pro-environmental issues versus individualism. In the same way that someone who advocates lower taxation or immigration control tends to be associated with right-wing politics. I suppose left-of-centre or right-of-centre might sound better - caring for the environment or wanting stricter controls on immigration doesn't neccesarily make you an extreme left or right!bhstewie said:
hstewie said:markcoznottz said:
Unknown_User said:
StevieBee said:
You're not wrong. Her ire is directly squared to governments and industry who have the power to implement change but either ignore the need or choose not to.
She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
About sums it up it I believe.She wrangles a great many because to (mainly middle age, middle class blokes) it's difficult to concede that a slightly odd teenage girl is right about most of the the things she says.
I think it's viewed as a left wing thing because since the 80s increasing private profit has been the main driver behind conservative political thinking. Which is completely antithetical to environmental awareness.
I do the best I can as far as not being wasteful but it's a drop in the ocean unless we can force fundamental changes at the top levels of industry and government. I guess this could only be done from a left wing/socialist viewpoint?
I do the best I can as far as not being wasteful but it's a drop in the ocean unless we can force fundamental changes at the top levels of industry and government. I guess this could only be done from a left wing/socialist viewpoint?
markcoznottz said:
The barriers of entry are none existent then. ‘I’m an environmentalist’ (even though I’m not). Are these rich globe hoppers waiting for the government to force them to give up thier carbon heavy lifestyle? The question still stands, why don’t they lead by example.
The usual response is "why should I when nobody else will?". The fact that nobody else is preaching seems to be lost on them.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff