Eco- Warriers. Are They All Hypocrites?

[dudleybloke]

And many of them seen to have bought a lot of expensive beachfront properties, a strange thing to do if you believe that the seas are going to rapidly rise.

[mac96]

zygalski said:

ZedLeg said:

zygalski said:

mac96 said:

zygalski said:

frisbee said:

zygalski said:

Anyone who pretends to be interested in the environment and doesn’t live in a cave with no material possessions is a total hypocrite as far as I’m concerned.

Surely they need to kill themselves? So that they aren't a drain on the earth's limited resources.

Yes of course. Good point. And if they have bred they’d need to sterilise their children prior to offing themselves.

Surely they should kill their children? And any other resource wasting relatives?

Again, another very good point. But what about relatives & friends who have expressed an interest in protecting the environment? I assume they’d have to go as well. It’s the only logical solution.

Best to nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

That’s a no-no. Bad for the environment.

But there won't be an environment, at least in the existing sense.
Surely that is the absolute solution.

[Randy Winkman]

They are all hypocrites in the same way all right wingers are racists that love the royal family.

Of course not, they are all different people and have different views.

[NMNeil]

A Winner Is You said:

Or Leonardo Di Caprio, preaching about how we must all fight climate change whilst travelling the world in his private jet and borrowed mega yacht.

Or Greta whatever her name is, traveling the world in a boat rather than fly.
A fiberglass boat with plastic sails.

[Biker 1]

I live near a chuffing great forest & also not far from the South Downs National Park. Lots of wealthy people with mahoosive houses who strap their latest carbon framed electric mountain bikes to their giant Audi SUVs, drive perhaps 50 miles to then go for a ride, including lattes en-route. Same sort of people I noticed with 'Vote Green' boards outside their houses at the recent local elections. Either its like turkeys voting for Xmas, or they are utterly clueless/hypocritical.
Some say we need at least 2 Earths to sustain our current lifestyles, so logically, they should be ditching the giant houses & living in caves as subsistence hunter gatherers? I wonder how long they would last....

[irc]

alangla said:

I'm looking forward to COP26 later this year (if it happens) - thousands of eco warriors from all over the world jetting in to Glasgow to lecture the rest of us on how air travel is bad.
Helpfully, it seems the Clydeside Expressway past the SECC is going to be closed, presumably so they don't have the sight of people actually going about their business near their jamboree. The poor sods that use the various buses that normally travel on the Expressway will no doubt feel they're really doing their bit for the environment as they're stuck on the hideously congested Argyle Street/Dumbarton Road etc that parallels it.
On the plus side, at least the adjacent rail station is remaining open as far as I can see - earlier plans had that closed IIRC.

https://ukcop26.org/
https://www.getreadyglasgow.com/event/climate-chan...

As someone who works in Glasgow and lives just outside I'm dreading it. Congestion. Combined with Sturgeon being even more annoying on TV than usual. Just hoping it is a particularly wet November so all the hangers on get hypothermia.

Wouldn't have chosen November in Glasgow for the weather that is for sure. Windy, wet, rainy, dark at 5pm.

[Esceptico]

If you have resorted to criticising the lifestyle of environmentalists I think it means you’ve lost the argument.

[pquinn]

Esceptico said:

If you have resorted to criticising the lifestyle of environmentalists I think it means you’ve lost the argument.

In a 'I think your ideas are bks and from your actions apparently you do too' style of losing?

Either they don't believe at all so they're liars, or they don't believe in it for themselves so they're hypocrites. Either way that isn't 'winning'.

[bitchstewie]

Of course some some are hypocrites.

All of them? I think it's a bit more nuanced than that.

[mcdjl]

Esceptico said:

If you have resorted to criticising the lifestyle of environmentalists I think it means you’ve lost the argument.

Isn't the entire point that they're criticising everyone else's lifestyle? If so surely they lost first.

[Randy Winkman]

Are some people on here suggesting that nobody should say anything about making the environment better if they have any impact on it themselves? It really does seem that extreme to me.

I'm clearly using electricity as I type this, does it mean I shouldn't care about marine plastic pollution or deforestation? Or is it OK to care about it but I shouldn't say anything?

[bitchstewie]

Randy Winkman said:

Are some people on here suggesting that nobody should say anything about making the environment better if they have any impact on it themselves? It really does seem that extreme to me.

I'm clearly using electricity as I type this, does it mean I shouldn't care about marine plastic pollution or deforestation? Or is it OK to care about it but I shouldn't say anything?

I think it's the increasingly binary world some people seem to live in.

If Attenborough or Packham or someone else "jets off around the world" but in doing so massively raises awareness around the environmental challenges we face how do you measure whether they're a "massive hypocrite" or not?

Presumably it's subjective at best.

Likewise as much as it pains me to say this I'm not going to batter Johnson too much for flying to the G7 because I think you have to balance the message to everyone else against the reality that Prime Ministers and Presidents probably do have more of an excuse and justification than lots of others (celebrities leap to mind) do.

Do I think it would have sent a good message if he'd taken the train? Of course. Can I understand why he didn't? Yes.

[foxbody-87]

NMNeil said:

Or Greta whatever her name is, traveling the world in a boat rather than fly.
A fiberglass boat with plastic sails.

And a Diesel engine just in case.
Fossil fuels are bad unless you need them to bail you out in the middle of the Atlantic …

[mcdjl]

Randy Winkman said:

Are some people on here suggesting that nobody should say anything about making the environment better if they have any impact on it themselves? It really does seem that extreme to me.

I'm clearly using electricity as I type this, does it mean I shouldn't care about marine plastic pollution or deforestation? Or is it OK to care about it but I shouldn't say anything?

Yes and no. I'd say it's legitimate of me to moan about people littering and picking up litter. It's hypocritical of them to moan about traveling too much while traveling hundreds of miles to block a road.
Greta and her sailing boat is an interesting one. No doubt some crew flew around to pick it up and return it back to where it came from so while she may not have emitted the carbon, some got emitted because of her.

[StevieBee]

mcdjl said:

Esceptico said:

If you have resorted to criticising the lifestyle of environmentalists I think it means you’ve lost the argument.

Isn't the entire point that they're criticising everyone else's lifestyle? If so surely they lost first.

There are plenty of weirdy-beardy, sandal-wearing lentilists that would have us all living in caves, but do not mistake these for those that are actually doing something practical and worthwhile.

The majority of Environmentalists are working on front-line initiatives that make our choices easier. COP26 isn't about a bunch off privileged eco-hypocrites telling us all off. It's about people who have the power and authority to make meaningful and tangible policy changes for the betterment of society.

If you examine the detail you find that it's less about stopping doing things and more about doing the same things differently. Much will be invisible to you except the outcome - which will be beneficial.

I'm working on one small component of COP26. It's a system that enables the standardised collection of Waste Data including the means to identify and quantify plastic leakage (if you're interested: https://unhabitat.org/waste-wise-cities). Without this data, there is no way a city can determine the measures needed to stop it and it needs to be global in its application to work properly. My client (UN Habitat) will be using COP26 as an opportunity to lobby for the system to be ingrained into national policy around the world.

The only tangible impact this will have on you is tastier and cheaper fish and chips - though obviously the benefits are slightly wider reaching than that.

[durbster]

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[anonymous-user]

StevieBee said:

The only tangible impact this will have on you is tastier and cheaper fish and chips.

How so? Genuinely curious. Reduced shipping? No more processing our fish in China, that sort of thing?

[mcdjl]

StevieBee said:

There are plenty of weirdy-beardy, sandal-wearing lentilists that would have us all living in caves, but do not mistake these for those that are actually doing something practical and worthwhile.

The majority of Environmentalists are working on front-line initiatives that make our choices easier. COP26 isn't about a bunch off privileged eco-hypocrites telling us all off. It's about people who have the power and authority to make meaningful and tangible policy changes for the betterment of society.

If you examine the detail you find that it's less about stopping doing things and more about doing the same things differently. Much will be invisible to you except the outcome - which will be beneficial.

I'm working on one small component of COP26. It's a system that enables the standardised collection of Waste Data including the means to identify and quantify plastic leakage (if you're interested: https://unhabitat.org/waste-wise-cities). Without this data, there is no way a city can determine the measures needed to stop it and it needs to be global in its application to work properly. My client (UN Habitat) will be using COP26 as an opportunity to lobby for the system to be ingrained into national policy around the world.

The only tangible impact this will have on you is tastier and cheaper fish and chips - though obviously the benefits are slightly wider reaching than that.

On that basis I'm an environmentalist add in working on technology that should reduce energy use in several industries. I wouldn't class myself as such though. My comment was more aimed at those blocking streets and shouting loudly in the badge of raising awareness. Why not do it locally?

[StevieBee]

OpulentBob said:

StevieBee said:

The only tangible impact this will have on you is tastier and cheaper fish and chips.

How so? Genuinely curious. Reduced shipping? No more processing our fish in China, that sort of thing?

Perhaps an over simplistic analogy but plastic marine litter is having impact on fish stocks around the world which in some places is pushing the price of fish up whilst the quality of fish being caught is reducing. This is a problem accelerating in places like the North Sea that has suffered years of over fishing.

[alock]

bhstewie said:

I think it's the increasingly binary world some people seem to live in.

If Attenborough or Packham or someone else "jets off around the world" but in doing so massively raises awareness around the environmental challenges we face how do you measure whether they're a "massive hypocrite" or not?

Presumably it's subjective at best.

Society typically thinks a black person is best to talk about black issues.
Society typically thinks a woman is best to talk about sexism.
Society typically thinks a gay person is best to talk about gay issues.
Society typically thinks a Muslim is the best person to talk about issues with Islam.
Society typically thinks someone who lives a low-impact life is the best person to talk about environmental issues.
Society typically thinks a woke celebrity with a huge personal environmental impact is the best person to talk about environmental issues.