Eco- Warriers. Are They All Hypocrites?

Eco- Warriers. Are They All Hypocrites?

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NerveAgent

3,293 posts

219 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Monkeylegend said:
MonkeyMatt said:
you are short signed moron
And the insult of the week award goes to...................... hehe
laugh

bitchstewie

50,779 posts

209 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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rxe said:
OK, let's take Mr Packham. He's very worried about climate change, no doubt that we can accept his work is terribly important, and he has to fly everywhere, but why is he leading groups of tourists on long haul international travel? Here:

https://www.steppestravel.com/people/chris-packham...

Surely the better answer is to say "this is a bad idea, why don't you watch it on telly".

We all know why though - money. It's why we all do it.

The hypocrisy kicks in when we are all being told to change our ways by a bunch of people who think they are far too important to change theirs.
I can absolutely see that side of it but over the course of his life and work do you honestly think he's a hypocrite because of a few trips?

My guess is he's done massive amounts of good around raising awareness over several decades but as I said before I don't know how you measure it in any meaningful way where you could ever "prove" it one way or the other.

StevieBee

12,795 posts

254 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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supertouring said:
StevieBee said:
requires the consumption of oil, of which there is around 50 years worth left to use.
I remember being told we only had 50 years left when I was in school 40 years ago and I think our consumption has increased massively since then.
40 years ago, technology was still evolving so that previously inaccessible reserves became accessible. That's still happening today but at a slower pace and moving to the point where we will exhaust what reserves are available to us. It may well be that we have another 60 or 100 years left. Point is that it's a finite resource and it's this that's driving sustainability more than emissions at technical level. If we run out of oil, not being able use our lovely ICE cars will be the very least of our problems.

FNG

4,157 posts

223 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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bhstewie said:
rxe said:
OK, let's take Mr Packham. He's very worried about climate change, no doubt that we can accept his work is terribly important, and he has to fly everywhere, but why is he leading groups of tourists on long haul international travel? Here:

https://www.steppestravel.com/people/chris-packham...

Surely the better answer is to say "this is a bad idea, why don't you watch it on telly".

We all know why though - money. It's why we all do it.

The hypocrisy kicks in when we are all being told to change our ways by a bunch of people who think they are far too important to change theirs.
I can absolutely see that side of it but over the course of his life and work do you honestly think he's a hypocrite because of a few trips?

My guess is he's done massive amounts of good around raising awareness over several decades but as I said before I don't know how you measure it in any meaningful way where you could ever "prove" it one way or the other.
“Do what the fk you want as long as your contribution is positive overall”

Not gonna move the needle much is it?

A Winner Is You

24,942 posts

226 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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FNG said:
bhstewie said:
rxe said:
OK, let's take Mr Packham. He's very worried about climate change, no doubt that we can accept his work is terribly important, and he has to fly everywhere, but why is he leading groups of tourists on long haul international travel? Here:

https://www.steppestravel.com/people/chris-packham...

Surely the better answer is to say "this is a bad idea, why don't you watch it on telly".

We all know why though - money. It's why we all do it.

The hypocrisy kicks in when we are all being told to change our ways by a bunch of people who think they are far too important to change theirs.
I can absolutely see that side of it but over the course of his life and work do you honestly think he's a hypocrite because of a few trips?

My guess is he's done massive amounts of good around raising awareness over several decades but as I said before I don't know how you measure it in any meaningful way where you could ever "prove" it one way or the other.
“Do what the fk you want as long as your contribution is positive overall”

Not gonna move the needle much is it?
It's the modern form of Indulgence - those with enough money get to carry on with their lifestyle, then pay to wash away their sins by having a few trees planted in their name or give a talk to raise awareness.

bitchstewie

50,779 posts

209 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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FNG said:
“Do what the fk you want as long as your contribution is positive overall”

Not gonna move the needle much is it?
That's not really what I said.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good leaps to mind.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Biggy Stardust said:
If people say "don't do that" whilst doing it themselves then they are hypocrites.

Anything else is just noise & distraction.
Are they actually doing that?

Whenever I hear these accusations regarding hypocrisy and you read what the person being vilified has said at best it’s a “we must all” type comment and usually they haven’t told others how to live at all.

Randy Winkman

16,017 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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105.4 said:
MonkeyMatt said:
Some absolute nonsense being spouted here as usual. To be honest if you aren't interested in the environment and making positive changes, however small, you are short signed moron
If you want me to support getting the most bang for our buck in terms of energy use, I’m all for it.

If you want to to support getting the most value out of recycling, I’m all for it.

If you want me to support cleaning up the oceans, I’m all for it.

If you want me to support stopping deforestation and helping to preserve endangered species, I’m all for it.


What I will not support is one set of people telling another set of people how to live, whilst those who spout the rules constantly break them, (Greta Thumberg, Prince Harry, all Politicians, celebrities etc).

In essence, see my post above about the couple who have five children.
How does Greta Thunberg break the rules? And even if she does, do you not think her impact is greater than her environmental footprint?

rxe

6,700 posts

102 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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bhstewie said:
That's not really what I said.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good leaps to mind.
I’m not asking for perfect. But what he is doing is the opposite of perfect.

He’s blathering on about climate change, and wants us all to think it is important and take it seriously. Maybe fly less or something.

However, as soon as he is presented with an opportunity to fly across the world and make a few quid doing exactly what he is saying is bad, he just goes “ah fk it, climate change isn’t that bad”.

So either he doesn’t believe the bull st he is spouting, or he’s an absolute hypocrite.

It’s just the same with an acquaintance of mine who has gone on XR demos. 4 foreign holidays a year and a full on excessive consumerist lifestyle. But climate change, yeah.

105.4

4,065 posts

70 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Randy Winkman said:
How does Greta Thunberg break the rules? And even if she does, do you not think her impact is greater than her environmental footprint?
Let’s see, here’s a few off the top of my head.

Jet setting around the world in business / first class to tell the plebs they shouldn’t go abroad on holiday for two weeks every year. Why doesn’t she fly steerage like the rest of us scummers.

Promoting sustainability whilst being driven around in a brand new Tesla and having the latest iPhones. Sustainability would be using a 30 year old car perhaps converted to LPG and an old Nokia.

Transversing the Atlantic in a carbon fibre boat all for a publicity stunt, before flying back from New York.

Whenever anyone asks her a tricky question, she all of a sudden gets all autistic and goes mute. How convenient.

If she wants to save the planet, good for her, but don’t go telling me what to do whilst doing the exact opposite.

ATG

20,484 posts

271 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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bhstewie said:
FNG said:
“Do what the fk you want as long as your contribution is positive overall”

Not gonna move the needle much is it?
That's not really what I said.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good leaps to mind.
Quite.

People shouting "hypocrite" almost always sound rather shrill.

A smoker says "smoking kills". Hypocrite or not, he's right.

A Winner Is You

24,942 posts

226 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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ATG said:
bhstewie said:
FNG said:
“Do what the fk you want as long as your contribution is positive overall”

Not gonna move the needle much is it?
That's not really what I said.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good leaps to mind.
Quite.

People shouting "hypocrite" almost always sound rather shrill.

A smoker says "smoking kills". Hypocrite or not, he's right.
The equivalent in this instance would be someone telling others they must give up smoking, whilst still smoking themselves with the reasoning that it's different because they are raising awareness of the dangers.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Exactly.
No room for people using electricity to voice their eco-warrior foulness.
They should by rights be living in caves eating berries & unable to spread their idiocy.

bitchstewie

50,779 posts

209 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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A Winner Is You said:
The equivalent in this instance would be someone telling others they must give up smoking, whilst still smoking themselves with the reasoning that it's different because they are raising awareness of the dangers.
Who's doing that though?

Chris Packham was given as an example.

I don't see that much of him on TV so what's he telling me I must do that he isn't doing?

I read the article in the OP and it didn't come across as if he was telling me I must stop doing lots of things rather encouraging me (and anyone reading) to think.

Personally I doubt you can get away without leaving any footprint so it's about the size of the one you do leave.

irc

Original Poster:

7,167 posts

135 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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bhstewie said:
Personally I doubt you can get away without leaving any footprint so it's about the size of the one you do leave.
A bit smaller if you holiday in the UK or Europe instead of flying to Alaska?

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Yeah they could just use old footage for all these documentaries. There's no need to actually go there. Just blue screen out some trees to thin-out the forests, photoshop out the icebergs etc to bring 'em up to date & job jobbed. thumbup

irc

Original Poster:

7,167 posts

135 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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I've done my bit by not flying abroad this year. Next year - west coast USA here I come!!

Randy Winkman

16,017 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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105.4 said:
Randy Winkman said:
How does Greta Thunberg break the rules? And even if she does, do you not think her impact is greater than her environmental footprint?
Let’s see, here’s a few off the top of my head.

Jet setting around the world in business / first class to tell the plebs they shouldn’t go abroad on holiday for two weeks every year. Why doesn’t she fly steerage like the rest of us scummers.

Promoting sustainability whilst being driven around in a brand new Tesla and having the latest iPhones. Sustainability would be using a 30 year old car perhaps converted to LPG and an old Nokia.

Transversing the Atlantic in a carbon fibre boat all for a publicity stunt, before flying back from New York.

Whenever anyone asks her a tricky question, she all of a sudden gets all autistic and goes mute. How convenient.

If she wants to save the planet, good for her, but don’t go telling me what to do whilst doing the exact opposite.
I remain to be convinced that all of the above is true or relevant or outweighs her positive contribution to the cause she promotes.

bitchstewie

50,779 posts

209 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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irc said:
bhstewie said:
Personally I doubt you can get away without leaving any footprint so it's about the size of the one you do leave.
A bit smaller if you holiday in the UK or Europe instead of flying to Alaska?
What if you holiday in Europe 3 times a year for 20 years or you go to Alaska once and don't ever fly anywhere on holiday again because Alaska blew you away and you changed your entire way of life?

Or of course it might make you think travelling is awesome and you only live once so you go jetting off all over the world for sts and giggles.

It doesn't look great but if you looked at Attenborough's footprint and didn't consider the way he's raised awareness over the past 50-60 years I think you'd be taking a bit of a narrow view.

All I'm saying is it's not always as simple and black and white as "hypocrites!!!" IMO.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

49 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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foxbody-87 said:
And a Diesel engine just in case.
Fossil fuels are bad unless you need them to bail you out in the middle of the Atlantic … hehe
I wonder, when she got off the plastic boat did she walk to whatever protest meeting she would be babbling at, or was she driven in one of those ICE powered machines she wants to get rid of.