CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Alucidnation said:
steveT350C said:
NewBod said:
The 'bulk that needed vaccinating have been vaccinated. Why are restrictions still in place?
Indeed Your understanding of vulnerability must be different to mine.
Alucidnation said:
steveT350C said:
NewBod said:
The 'bulk that needed vaccinating have been vaccinated. Why are restrictions still in place?
Indeed Nickgnome said:
I am currently here in the UK , I come and go every few months as my business dictates along with Italy and France.
Perhaps you may wish to brush up on your knowledge of one of the most technologically advanced countries of the Eu.
So you're one of those roving Super Spreaders?Perhaps you may wish to brush up on your knowledge of one of the most technologically advanced countries of the Eu.
Boringvolvodriver said:
Alucidnation said:
steveT350C said:
NewBod said:
The 'bulk that needed vaccinating have been vaccinated. Why are restrictions still in place?
Indeed I understand we need to be 70-80%.
NewBod said:
Nick, I have got on with what I can control. See my post above, I have continued with life even though for a non mask wearer with anxiety, it's been very hard to do so over the last year.
I doubt my thoughts on travel could be considered obsessive. I stated an option that one is treated worse than animals when travelling. This is a result of 9/11. I had travelled pre covid, but haven't flown for around eight years purely because I don't like it. That's not at all obsessive, it's just a dislike for something.
In relation to being complicit, nothing of the sort. But not thinking critically about things and just doing as you are told by a bunch of liars is incredibly silly. For example, just look at the g7 pictures. At a time when restrictions were due to be extended here, our prime minister was mingling with fellow leaders and people from all around the world. Standing apart for official photos yet touching and cuddling up with them when they forgot the cameras were on. For me, it all comes down to hypocrisy.
As for prevalence of covid in the population, what has the vaccine program achieved if we are still hiding behind our sofas, despite vaccinating so many people? Let's not forget that this vaccine will not eradicate the virus and it looks like it won't even stop it transmitting. There was a time when we accepted risk and got on with life. Look at flu. Over the last year it seems our leaders have tried to cure death and gone all Chinese on us with lockdowns and restrictions.
It wouldn't be so bad if they were honest with us. Their credibility has taken a nose dive over the last year with bad decisions, bad leadership, criminal acts, misinformation and behaviour conditioning. And they base figures of 'cases' on the results of tests that are inaccurate.
Thing is, even with what has been achieved so far with vaccinations and what has been done so far with lockdowns and restrictions, we are still nowhere near 2019 normal. Do you honestly think we will going back to 2019 normal soon, even if we have every living person vaccinated?
As for being smart. There is only one way to be smart, by reading, learning and then critically evaluating things for yourself. Just going along with the herd and not questioning anything isnt being smart, its just compliance.
As for peeing in the wind, it can be done fine. You just need to take the time to understand which direction the wind is heading in, aim the old man properly, then spread your legs wide enough to avoid any unwanted splashback.
Thing is Nick, one can learn a great deal when one questions things and thinks critically.
It may seem strange but i think I'd be happy to have a beer with you unlike many here as you are honest and open.I doubt my thoughts on travel could be considered obsessive. I stated an option that one is treated worse than animals when travelling. This is a result of 9/11. I had travelled pre covid, but haven't flown for around eight years purely because I don't like it. That's not at all obsessive, it's just a dislike for something.
In relation to being complicit, nothing of the sort. But not thinking critically about things and just doing as you are told by a bunch of liars is incredibly silly. For example, just look at the g7 pictures. At a time when restrictions were due to be extended here, our prime minister was mingling with fellow leaders and people from all around the world. Standing apart for official photos yet touching and cuddling up with them when they forgot the cameras were on. For me, it all comes down to hypocrisy.
As for prevalence of covid in the population, what has the vaccine program achieved if we are still hiding behind our sofas, despite vaccinating so many people? Let's not forget that this vaccine will not eradicate the virus and it looks like it won't even stop it transmitting. There was a time when we accepted risk and got on with life. Look at flu. Over the last year it seems our leaders have tried to cure death and gone all Chinese on us with lockdowns and restrictions.
It wouldn't be so bad if they were honest with us. Their credibility has taken a nose dive over the last year with bad decisions, bad leadership, criminal acts, misinformation and behaviour conditioning. And they base figures of 'cases' on the results of tests that are inaccurate.
Thing is, even with what has been achieved so far with vaccinations and what has been done so far with lockdowns and restrictions, we are still nowhere near 2019 normal. Do you honestly think we will going back to 2019 normal soon, even if we have every living person vaccinated?
As for being smart. There is only one way to be smart, by reading, learning and then critically evaluating things for yourself. Just going along with the herd and not questioning anything isnt being smart, its just compliance.
As for peeing in the wind, it can be done fine. You just need to take the time to understand which direction the wind is heading in, aim the old man properly, then spread your legs wide enough to avoid any unwanted splashback.
Thing is Nick, one can learn a great deal when one questions things and thinks critically.
Edited by NewBod on Tuesday 22 June 19:18
Edited by NewBod on Tuesday 22 June 19:22
The government have made one almighty cock up of this whole thing, too little too late, reactive not proactive all those lovely buzz words.
Beginning of last year I read something out of the Far East who had taken their previous failed experience and learned form it saying that we, the West would not follow their example. Sure enough until it hit us we did nothing.
If the vaccine reduces both the ability to become infected. Ie now only 20% also transmutability down by 50% then al other things being equal for a particular situation the likelihood of infection goes fro 100% to 10%. That's a good risk reduction in my book. You need to take out all other facts which will on any case only reduce the risk further. Compound probabilities.
I never pee in the wind from the stern. It can change Veer or back but rarely does 180.
Alucidnation said:
Apologies, i edited whilst you were replying.
I understand we need to be 70-80%.
Well we have 82% with first doses and 60% with second so based on that and the fact that pretty much all of the vulnerable have had 2 doses, then I would say we are pretty much there then. I understand we need to be 70-80%.
And at the moment , what can a double jabbed person do that an unvaccinated person can’t?
As I said before, the government have moving goal posts down to a fine art - if they carry in, they will be taking them away altogether!
An amusing aside;
Sat in my local in South Bucks, no rules at all; none of the staff wear masks.
Masked up woman walks past the window, enters pub, goes up to bar, wanting to book a table for Saturday night for dinner. She is explicit that all laws must be adhered to regarding numbers of people she is allowed per household per table etc.
She is the only person wearing a mask. The landlady behind the bar who she was talking to was not wearing a mask but the poor brainwashed lady did not notice. One of the gnome’s pets I guess!
It’s funny, but also desperately sad that people have been brainwashed so much.
Sat in my local in South Bucks, no rules at all; none of the staff wear masks.
Masked up woman walks past the window, enters pub, goes up to bar, wanting to book a table for Saturday night for dinner. She is explicit that all laws must be adhered to regarding numbers of people she is allowed per household per table etc.
She is the only person wearing a mask. The landlady behind the bar who she was talking to was not wearing a mask but the poor brainwashed lady did not notice. One of the gnome’s pets I guess!
It’s funny, but also desperately sad that people have been brainwashed so much.
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 22 June 19:47
johnboy1975 said:
NewBod said:
<snip, apologies >
Nick, you enjoy everything that is going on. You feel like you have done your bit for society. That's fine. I have never blamed you for any of this mess, and you can't blame me. If anything, those that have been good citizens and offered up their arms without question or tested themselves twice a week, they have given the government the confidence to keep the draconian measures going. In a roundabout way Nick, people like you are responsible for this for blindly doing their bidding.
An excellent rebuttal Nick, you enjoy everything that is going on. You feel like you have done your bit for society. That's fine. I have never blamed you for any of this mess, and you can't blame me. If anything, those that have been good citizens and offered up their arms without question or tested themselves twice a week, they have given the government the confidence to keep the draconian measures going. In a roundabout way Nick, people like you are responsible for this for blindly doing their bidding.
steveT350C said:
An amusing aside;
Sat in my local in South Bucks, no rules at all; none of the staff wear masks.
Masked up women walks past the window, enters pub, goes up to bar, wanting to book a table for Saturday night for dinner. She is explicit that all laws must be adhered to regarding numbers of people she is allowed per household per table etc.
She is the only person wearing a mask. The landlady behind the bar who she was talking to was not wearing a mask but the poor brainwashed lady did not notice. One of the gnome’s pets I guess!
It’s funny, but also desperately sad that people have been brainwashed so much.
Maybe she thought that the lady was wearing one of those see through masks? I have a supply of very special masks which have been treated with the invisibility spell from Harry Potter! Sat in my local in South Bucks, no rules at all; none of the staff wear masks.
Masked up women walks past the window, enters pub, goes up to bar, wanting to book a table for Saturday night for dinner. She is explicit that all laws must be adhered to regarding numbers of people she is allowed per household per table etc.
She is the only person wearing a mask. The landlady behind the bar who she was talking to was not wearing a mask but the poor brainwashed lady did not notice. One of the gnome’s pets I guess!
It’s funny, but also desperately sad that people have been brainwashed so much.
steveT350C said:
An amusing aside;
Sat in my local in South Bucks, no rules at all; none of the staff wear masks.
Masked up women walks past the window, enters pub, goes up to bar, wanting to book a table for Saturday night for dinner. She is explicit that all laws must be adhered to regarding numbers of people she is allowed per household per table etc.
She is the only person wearing a mask. The landlady behind the bar who she was talking to was not wearing a mask but the poor brainwashed lady did not notice. One of the gnome’s pets I guess!
It’s funny, but also desperately sad that people have been brainwashed so much.
The 'brainwashed' will end up being the ones that set you 'free'!Sat in my local in South Bucks, no rules at all; none of the staff wear masks.
Masked up women walks past the window, enters pub, goes up to bar, wanting to book a table for Saturday night for dinner. She is explicit that all laws must be adhered to regarding numbers of people she is allowed per household per table etc.
She is the only person wearing a mask. The landlady behind the bar who she was talking to was not wearing a mask but the poor brainwashed lady did not notice. One of the gnome’s pets I guess!
It’s funny, but also desperately sad that people have been brainwashed so much.
Someone mentioned this thread being an echo chamber earlier on. From a poll on the 18th of June: https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/public-opi...
Alucidnation said:
The 'brainwashed' will end up being the ones that set you 'free'!
Sorry it was summed up by NewBod why that is the inverse of what will happen. People thought getting tested would help us get out of it, that led us further into it. People thought vaccination would lead us out of it, that has led us further into it. You can’t keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, that’s insane. I am sure we will though with boosters, and another lockdown and more testing for at least another year. Sadly you’ll not understand that the complicity of it all is what is prolonging it. Nickgnome said:
It may seem strange but i think I'd be happy to have a beer with you unlike many here as you are honest and open.
The government have made one almighty cock up of this whole thing, too little too late, reactive not proactive all those lovely buzz words.
Beginning of last year I read something out of the Far East who had taken their previous failed experience and learned form it saying that we, the West would not follow their example. Sure enough until it hit us we did nothing.
If the vaccine reduces both the ability to become infected. Ie now only 20% also transmutability down by 50% then al other things being equal for a particular situation the likelihood of infection goes fro 100% to 10%. That's a good risk reduction in my book. You need to take out all other facts which will on any case only reduce the risk further. Compound probabilities.
I never pee in the wind from the stern. It can change Veer or back but rarely does 180.
A quick acknowledgement of a Gov "woopsie" and move the conversation along. Check.The government have made one almighty cock up of this whole thing, too little too late, reactive not proactive all those lovely buzz words.
Beginning of last year I read something out of the Far East who had taken their previous failed experience and learned form it saying that we, the West would not follow their example. Sure enough until it hit us we did nothing.
If the vaccine reduces both the ability to become infected. Ie now only 20% also transmutability down by 50% then al other things being equal for a particular situation the likelihood of infection goes fro 100% to 10%. That's a good risk reduction in my book. You need to take out all other facts which will on any case only reduce the risk further. Compound probabilities.
I never pee in the wind from the stern. It can change Veer or back but rarely does 180.
An elude to the wonderful system of management of the PRC. Check
Transmission % quoted from Gov data as if settled proven science. Check
End with rationality based on above believed yet unproven data. Check
Shills gotta shill....
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