Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11
Discussion
dxg said:
Allowing the yard to go bankrupt is almost the perfect political "out" of this mess.
If we actually have a shipbuilders' guarantee worth a damn, maybe. Take the payout, GOOD MORNING VIETNAM! And get two Actual Ferries, instead of ferry-shaped follies.Can't see them taking the political fallout though.
dxg said:
Garvin said:
NoddyonNitrous said:
A very high probability. An absolute certainty if the Scottish government don’t pour more money in and even the SNP must be balking about doing that in the current climate. Never mind, it’s a real lesser of two evils decision to be made and all of the SNP’s own making."We gave *them* all the money they asked and *they* still messed it up."
"It's not our fault they couldn't run their own business."
And so on. Perfect smokescreen.
Start again from nothing with Turkish ferries.
Se7enheaven said:
This doesn’t surprise me one bit.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/bbc...
"Radio Scotland in sooking chief mammy's boaby shocker"https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/bbc...
Oh no, wait, that's just a regular broadcast.
We've known for a while now that John Swinney was Sturgeon's biatch.
Yesterday he confirmed it himself.
Yesterday he confirmed it himself.
Se7enheaven said:
This doesn’t surprise me one bit.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/bbc...
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/bbc...
Express said:
It was a similar story later in the show when a caller named Rob from Kirkcaldy was broadcast and he called her the "leader of a cabal of serial failures". He said she "always gave a sweetie" to voters like free bikes and baby boxes and when he said charity shops had baby boxes in them, Jardine dismissed him, saying: "I've not seen that."
Stephen Jardine is Edinburger AICMFP.Edited by Evercross on Friday 24th March 13:39
vikingaero said:
I think I asked this question a while ago - what happens to Fergusons when the 2 ferries are delivered?
If you are in the marine industry and you need a new ship, would you award a tender to a company likely to go bust, or deliver late? Fergusons has signed their own death warrant.
"Nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM"If you are in the marine industry and you need a new ship, would you award a tender to a company likely to go bust, or deliver late? Fergusons has signed their own death warrant.
This is the reverse. You'd have to be totally nuts to decide to spend money with them now. It's a career-ender.
biggles330d said:
Well, apart from "it's not our fault they couldn't run their own business"... is it not nationalised? It is the Scottish Government's business, they are the ultimate owner and the shareholder. Their appointed management might have failings, but if you own the business isn't it on your shoulders if it fails and it's hardly the management's fault if as an investor they've bought a dog. That's just bad leadership, governance and decision making.
My understanding was its 100% owned by the Scottish Gov so not quite the exit plan they could use to pass blame vikingaero said:
I think I asked this question a while ago - what happens to Fergusons when the 2 ferries are delivered?
If you are in the marine industry and you need a new ship, would you award a tender to a company likely to go bust, or deliver late? Fergusons has signed their own death warrant.
The Ferries will never enter service. The Glen Sannox will be towed down to the Transport Museum to be an exhibit along side The Tall Ship Glenlee. If you are in the marine industry and you need a new ship, would you award a tender to a company likely to go bust, or deliver late? Fergusons has signed their own death warrant.
The yard is toast or will be sold to BAE for £1
Edinburger said:
86 said:
Amazing how Scots vote for the SNP. Maybe they like politicians running every aspect of their lives imposing more and more controls. Saw it during Covid Sturgeon loved it. Will end up like North Korea !
Can you explain this? Were there no restrictions in other parts of the UK during Covid?Why do you think the Scottish Government is more restrictive, or how are they "running every aspect of our lives imposing more and more controls"?
Genuine question.
jshell said:
Sturgeon waited for Westminster plans and then invoked Westminster + 1. All throughout. Hancock even touched on the subject in his messages that were leaked. Sturgeon was making capital out of responding harder than Westminster.
Or just different to be different. The UK had the "Hands, Face, Space" slogan to remind the public of Covid safety measures. Rather than use it in Scotland Nippy had F.A.C.TS. Just to be different. And probably worse. Hands, face, space is short and memorable. Without googling who knows what F.A.C.T.S. stands for?But much worse. The UK census is the gold standard source of information for planning and delivering services. Nationally every 10 years since 1801. Until now only 3 exceptions. WW2 and Ireland/Northern Ireland in 1921 and 1931. Not only did Nippy reduce the usefulness of the census as a national tool by changing the year she couldn't even do it properly .
rUK had a census form return rate of 97%.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/2021-census-w...
Scotland had a return rate of 89%
https://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/about/2022-cens...
Just another failure from Nippy who some people somehow seem to think was a good national leader.
jshell said:
Sturgeon waited for Westminster plans and then invoked Westminster + 1. All throughout. Hancock even touched on the subject in his messages that were leaked. Sturgeon was making capital out of responding harder than Westminster.
This. So much this.She's hailed as managing it better but all she did was the same thing but a week earlier or later just to be different.
Sometimes it worked in her favour but was pure fluke rather than good judgement.
I don't understand how the SNP worshippers can't see this.
jshell said:
Edinburger said:
86 said:
Amazing how Scots vote for the SNP. Maybe they like politicians running every aspect of their lives imposing more and more controls. Saw it during Covid Sturgeon loved it. Will end up like North Korea !
Can you explain this? Were there no restrictions in other parts of the UK during Covid?Why do you think the Scottish Government is more restrictive, or how are they "running every aspect of our lives imposing more and more controls"?
Genuine question.
It became obvious very, very quickly.
For her supporters, however, it translated to "oor Nic's handling this better than Boris"
Wholly contemptible.
It had the odd effect of making a short break in York feel like a foreign country. At the time Scotland was still under Nippy's mask laws. Numerous other restrictiins on our private lives. In York almost nobody was wearing masks. The sun shone for three days. The simple pleasure of walking into a pub, without a mask, and just walking up to the bar and buying a pint. Don't forget what she did to us for 2 years with no better results on Covid deaths than anywhere else.
Another Covid memory was a stroll with Mrs IRC. Buying two pints from a pub that was selling them to go. Going to sit in the park and drink them while keeping a weather eye out for the police.
A work colleague. Stopped by the police on the canal towpath in Bowling. Out for a cycle with his family. Sent back the way he came because he was too far from home.
Yes. Nicola Sturgeon. Don't slam the door on your way out.
Another Covid memory was a stroll with Mrs IRC. Buying two pints from a pub that was selling them to go. Going to sit in the park and drink them while keeping a weather eye out for the police.
A work colleague. Stopped by the police on the canal towpath in Bowling. Out for a cycle with his family. Sent back the way he came because he was too far from home.
Yes. Nicola Sturgeon. Don't slam the door on your way out.
irc said:
It had the odd effect of making a short break in York feel like a foreign country. At the time Scotland was still under Nippy's mask laws. Numerous other restrictiins on our private lives. In York almost nobody was wearing masks. The sun shone for three days. The simple pleasure of walking into a pub, without a mask, and just walking up to the bar and buying a pint. Don't forget what she did to us for 2 years with no better results on Covid deaths than anywhere else.
Another Covid memory was a stroll with Mrs IRC. Buying two pints from a pub that was selling them to go. Going to sit in the park and drink them while keeping a weather eye out for the police.
A work colleague. Stopped by the police on the canal towpath in Bowling. Out for a cycle with his family. Sent back the way he came because he was too far from home.
Yes. Nicola Sturgeon. Don't slam the door on your way out.
I ordered a drill from the screwfix on the other side of Edinburgh during lockdown so I had a day out of my neighbourhood.Another Covid memory was a stroll with Mrs IRC. Buying two pints from a pub that was selling them to go. Going to sit in the park and drink them while keeping a weather eye out for the police.
A work colleague. Stopped by the police on the canal towpath in Bowling. Out for a cycle with his family. Sent back the way he came because he was too far from home.
Yes. Nicola Sturgeon. Don't slam the door on your way out.
It was for essential maintenance as my fence had fallen over.
irc said:
It had the odd effect of making a short break in York feel like a foreign country. At the time Scotland was still under Nippy's mask laws. Numerous other restrictiins on our private lives. In York almost nobody was wearing masks. The sun shone for three days. The simple pleasure of walking into a pub, without a mask, and just walking up to the bar and buying a pint. Don't forget what she did to us for 2 years with no better results on Covid deaths than anywhere else.
Another Covid memory was a stroll with Mrs IRC. Buying two pints from a pub that was selling them to go. Going to sit in the park and drink them while keeping a weather eye out for the police.
A work colleague. Stopped by the police on the canal towpath in Bowling. Out for a cycle with his family. Sent back the way he came because he was too far from home.
Yes. Nicola Sturgeon. Don't slam the door on your way out.
I resorted to using a map measuring tool to generate maps showing that the car parks of the country parks I wanted to visit were less than 5 miles from the boundary of my home local authority, then printing out the results in case I was challenged. Some of the utter bAnother Covid memory was a stroll with Mrs IRC. Buying two pints from a pub that was selling them to go. Going to sit in the park and drink them while keeping a weather eye out for the police.
A work colleague. Stopped by the police on the canal towpath in Bowling. Out for a cycle with his family. Sent back the way he came because he was too far from home.
Yes. Nicola Sturgeon. Don't slam the door on your way out.
ks that appeared in the statutory instruments they produced during that period (you know, the ones they published AFTER they became law) will astound researchers in a few decades time, especially as they probably knew it would make fk all difference to the progression of the pandemic. Like you, I had a night out in England, Carlisle in my case, it was a couple of days of pre-pandemic normal before you returned to the oppressive nonsense in place up here.2014-2023 is not going to go down in history as a period of good governance in Scotland.
Edited by alangla on Friday 24th March 18:15
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