Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11

[General Price]

anonymoususer said:

It may well be that if this Mr Yousaf wins the SNP leadership that he can find kinship with the Labour politician Richard Burgon.
A cross party political consensus between these 2 titans of modern politics will be something to behold.
Dick and Yousa 2 names to watch out for

A dream team if there ever was one.

[ninepoint2]

Master Of Puppets said:

Penny doing her thing again today, watch Deirdrie Brock getting the Mordaunt treatment here,... https://twitter.com/i/status/1638892056562262018

Agree, never been a fan of the Tories, but Penny is spot on when she regularly points out how bad they are, her whole style, intellect, presentation etc is so superior to those muppets Flynn and Black, they would be out their depth in a puddle and frankly Black is dreadful

[Edinburger]

86 said:

Amazing how Scots vote for the SNP. Maybe they like politicians running every aspect of their lives imposing more and more controls. Saw it during Covid Sturgeon loved it. Will end up like North Korea !

Can you explain this? Were there no restrictions in other parts of the UK during Covid?

Why do you think the Scottish Government is more restrictive, or how are they "running every aspect of our lives imposing more and more controls"?

Genuine question.

[Edinburger]

irc said:

Another ferry scandal. In competent times there are two ferries covering the Corran run. Currently the larger ferry is out of service. The smaller ferry has had a 3.5 ton weight limit put on it. So a huge corner of Scotland has no direct commercial vehicle access.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23372957.corra...

I wasn't aware of this until I heard a Mull resident in the radio talking about the general issues. She repeated the suggestion that what the islands need is more smaller vessels and more capacity and more frequent services. Not the CalMac model of big ships with extensive crew accomodations and catering.

You're talking about the five minute Corran ferry between Lochaber and Ardgour, which is run by Highland Council, right?

They're running a reduced service but a) it's no big deal, and b) it's not run by the Scottish Government.

[General Price]

Edinburger said:

You're talking about the five minute Corran ferry between Lochaber and Ardgour, which is run by Highland Council, right?

They're running a reduced service but a) it's no big deal, and b) it's not run by the Scottish Government.

What about the mine at Lochaline?

Just because something doesn't effect you doesn't mean it's not a,'big deal'

[Disastrous]

Edinburger said:

irc said:

Another ferry scandal. In competent times there are two ferries covering the Corran run. Currently the larger ferry is out of service. The smaller ferry has had a 3.5 ton weight limit put on it. So a huge corner of Scotland has no direct commercial vehicle access.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23372957.corra...

I wasn't aware of this until I heard a Mull resident in the radio talking about the general issues. She repeated the suggestion that what the islands need is more smaller vessels and more capacity and more frequent services. Not the CalMac model of big ships with extensive crew accomodations and catering.

You're talking about the five minute Corran ferry between Lochaber and Ardgour, which is run by Highland Council, right?

They're running a reduced service but a) it's no big deal, and b) it's not run by the Scottish Government.

I’d suggest that

a) it is a big deal for the businesses that can’t get supplies because suppliers won’t take the lochailort road and
b) Highland council has an SNP majority.

[vikingaero]

Edinburger said:

irc said:

Another ferry scandal. In competent times there are two ferries covering the Corran run. Currently the larger ferry is out of service. The smaller ferry has had a 3.5 ton weight limit put on it. So a huge corner of Scotland has no direct commercial vehicle access.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23372957.corra...

I wasn't aware of this until I heard a Mull resident in the radio talking about the general issues. She repeated the suggestion that what the islands need is more smaller vessels and more capacity and more frequent services. Not the CalMac model of big ships with extensive crew accomodations and catering.

You're talking about the five minute Corran ferry between Lochaber and Ardgour, which is run by Highland Council, right?

They're running a reduced service but a) it's no big deal, and b) it's not run by the Scottish Government.

You're right it's run by Highland Council, but no big deal? The smaller ferry has half the capacity of the larger out-of-action ferry, and would you believe it, there's the holiday season starting up right about now - more tourists, more supplies being delivered, more locals moving around as the weather gets better....

Ferrys aren't really a strongpoint/concern of your SNP paymasters are they 'burger?!

[FNG]

Edinburger said:

irc said:

Another ferry scandal. In competent times there are two ferries covering the Corran run. Currently the larger ferry is out of service. The smaller ferry has had a 3.5 ton weight limit put on it. So a huge corner of Scotland has no direct commercial vehicle access.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23372957.corra...

I wasn't aware of this until I heard a Mull resident in the radio talking about the general issues. She repeated the suggestion that what the islands need is more smaller vessels and more capacity and more frequent services. Not the CalMac model of big ships with extensive crew accomodations and catering.

You're talking about the five minute Corran ferry between Lochaber and Ardgour, which is run by Highland Council, right?

They're running a reduced service but a) it's no big deal, and b) it's not run by the Scottish Government.

Of the wide range of issues discussed in these pages recently, this is all you've got a chance of defending isn't it.

[A.J.M]

Scottish government is in turmoil, outgoing leader has left a legacy of failure and disaster.
New potential leader is a soggy piece of cardboard.
Under police investigation for missing money.

Snp defender pipes up to state having the big ferry on the run up to tourist season being broken, isn’t a big deal…

Nicely side stepping the bonfire that is the snp to stamp on an ember and declare everything is fine.

[Paul Dishman]

The comments following this article in the Graun are interesting, a rather different perspective to PH as you’d expect, but many comments on Nippy being the best politician in the U.K. (a low bar, but still) accompanied by left wing visceral hatred of the Tories and a degree of apathy towards Labour

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/23/a...

[Mammasaid]

vikingaero said:

Edinburger said:

irc said:

Another ferry scandal. In competent times there are two ferries covering the Corran run. Currently the larger ferry is out of service. The smaller ferry has had a 3.5 ton weight limit put on it. So a huge corner of Scotland has no direct commercial vehicle access.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23372957.corra...

I wasn't aware of this until I heard a Mull resident in the radio talking about the general issues. She repeated the suggestion that what the islands need is more smaller vessels and more capacity and more frequent services. Not the CalMac model of big ships with extensive crew accomodations and catering.

You're talking about the five minute Corran ferry between Lochaber and Ardgour, which is run by Highland Council, right?

They're running a reduced service but a) it's no big deal, and b) it's not run by the Scottish Government.

You're right it's run by Highland Council, but no big deal? The smaller ferry has half the capacity of the larger out-of-action ferry, and would you believe it, there's the holiday season starting up right about now - more tourists, more supplies being delivered, more locals moving around as the weather gets better....

Ferrys aren't really a strongpoint/concern of your SNP paymasters are they 'burger?!

In addition, the small ferry can't take vehicles over 3.5t, so no buses, delivery trucks, etc. and adds over an hour's travel time...

[wobert]

Mammasaid said:

vikingaero said:

Edinburger said:

irc said:

Another ferry scandal. In competent times there are two ferries covering the Corran run. Currently the larger ferry is out of service. The smaller ferry has had a 3.5 ton weight limit put on it. So a huge corner of Scotland has no direct commercial vehicle access.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23372957.corra...

I wasn't aware of this until I heard a Mull resident in the radio talking about the general issues. She repeated the suggestion that what the islands need is more smaller vessels and more capacity and more frequent services. Not the CalMac model of big ships with extensive crew accomodations and catering.

You're talking about the five minute Corran ferry between Lochaber and Ardgour, which is run by Highland Council, right?

They're running a reduced service but a) it's no big deal, and b) it's not run by the Scottish Government.

You're right it's run by Highland Council, but no big deal? The smaller ferry has half the capacity of the larger out-of-action ferry, and would you believe it, there's the holiday season starting up right about now - more tourists, more supplies being delivered, more locals moving around as the weather gets better....

Ferrys aren't really a strongpoint/concern of your SNP paymasters are they 'burger?!

In addition, the small ferry can't take vehicles over 3.5t, so no buses, delivery trucks, etc. and adds over an hour's travel time...

Yes, but that’s all ok as ‘burger says “it’s no big deal”….

[NoddyonNitrous]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bu...

Possibly the ferries and yard are both toast.

[Garvin]

NoddyonNitrous said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bu...

Possibly the ferries and yard are both toast.

A very high probability. An absolute certainty if the Scottish government don’t pour more money in and even the SNP must be balking about doing that in the current climate. Never mind, it’s a real lesser of two evils decision to be made and all of the SNP’s own making.

[Evercross]

NoddyonNitrous said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bu...

Possibly the ferries and yard are both toast.

Well, now is the time to pull the plug. Blame it on the previous FM's administration and move on...

[irc]

Evercross said:

NoddyonNitrous said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bu...

Possibly the ferries and yard are both toast.

Well, now is the time to pull the plug. Blame it on the previous FM's administration and move on...

"Once the ferries are finished - if they are finished - income dries up. There are no other contracts on the books. Without more income, the shipyard is conceding that it won't be able to meet its liabilities. "

The yard is toast. Once (if) the two ferries are finished it has no more work. Nobody outside the SNP will give it work. Even the SNP are getting ferries made abroad now.

Never mind, Nippy got her photo op. Worth every penny.

[shtu]

Trouble is, it'll still fall back to the poor optics of Ferguson's closing for good - and the SNP have thrown so much money at them to avoid that up until now, they'll probably find a way to keep doing it.

Nobody wants to be the politician that kills Clyde shipbuilding, even though it's been on life support for decades.

I still wish the ferry contract had gone abroad, and we'd just given a Truckload of Cash(tm) to each Ferguson's worker at the time.

[shtu]

Evercross said:

Well, now is the time to pull the plug. Blame it on the previous FM's administration and move on...

That. Is a good point.

[alangla]

shtu said:

Evercross said:

Well, now is the time to pull the plug. Blame it on the previous FM's administration and move on...

That. Is a good point.

Yousaf won’t do it. Regan might, Forbes probably would.

Would an incoming Labour administration do it? They’d be able to (and close Bi-Fab and privatise Prestwick Airport) but would they choose to do that or try to keep the unions sweet?

[dxg]

Garvin said:

NoddyonNitrous said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bu...

Possibly the ferries and yard are both toast.

A very high probability. An absolute certainty if the Scottish government don’t pour more money in and even the SNP must be balking about doing that in the current climate. Never mind, it’s a real lesser of two evils decision to be made and all of the SNP’s own making.

Allowing the yard to go bankrupt is almost the perfect political "out" of this mess.

"We gave *them* all the money they asked and *they* still messed it up."
"It's not our fault they couldn't run their own business."

And so on. Perfect smokescreen.

Start again from nothing with Turkish ferries.