Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11
Discussion
rider73 said:
..problem with the above, is the SNP will ride the "UK tooories caused all these issues" post-indy, for about 1000 years................reality is SNP will ask for everything under the sun and blame Torrrries for not "giving in"....
In what way would that be a problem for rUK?techguyone said:
She's doing it all wrong, she should give the rest of the UK the Ref, she'd very likely get the result she wants.
Trouble with that is she doesn't actually want it, just wants to stay in the job making more hollow promises.She would sh!t a brick if Boris gave her a section 30.
stevensdrs said:
techguyone said:
She's doing it all wrong, she should give the rest of the UK the Ref, she'd very likely get the result she wants.
Trouble with that is she doesn't actually want it, just wants to stay in the job making more hollow promises.She would sh!t a brick if Boris gave her a section 30.
She's certainly putting her balls on the anvil, which to be honest is more probable than Scottish independence next October.
Not a single person I know has mentioned independence once since 2014, and the only person I know who voted Yes now works in Stratford Upon Avon, saying how lovely it is.
Not a single person I know has mentioned independence once since 2014, and the only person I know who voted Yes now works in Stratford Upon Avon, saying how lovely it is.
Edited by ScotHill on Tuesday 28th June 18:48
ScotHill said:
She's certainly putting her balls on the anvil, which to be honest is more probable than Scottish independence next October.
Not a single person I know has mentioned independence once since 2014, and the only person I know who voted Yes now works in Stratford Upon Avon, saying how lovely it is.
Given the way things are going we can probably expect your pal in Stratford to have a vote, along with all the celebrity indie supporters that don’t live here Not a single person I know has mentioned independence once since 2014, and the only person I know who voted Yes now works in Stratford Upon Avon, saying how lovely it is.
Edited by ScotHill on Tuesday 28th June 18:48
So Sturgeon is threatening to disenfranchise voters at the next GE, is that actually within the remit and powers of a devolved administration to
dictate the terms and scope of a GE vote?, it sounds more like a statement of a declaration of UDI. This woman is seriously off her head
and a danger to the lot of us.
dictate the terms and scope of a GE vote?, it sounds more like a statement of a declaration of UDI. This woman is seriously off her head
and a danger to the lot of us.
The line Douglas Ross took in the pretendy-parliament should be rammed down their throats at every opportunity, don't give them space to talk about independence at all, keep at them and shout them down about their atrocious record of running Scotland PLC, hit them with everything they have failed at and covered up, give them no wriggle room to deflect the questions, the opposition have a massive arsenal of failures to pick from for a sustained attack on the SNP.
Will they do it...will they f
k because they are weak, and that's the problem.
Will they do it...will they f
k because they are weak, and that's the problem.irc said:
Ecosseven said:
This. The SNP have spent years blaming just about everything on the Westminster government and will continue to do so if independence ever happens. Westminster is guilty of some bad decisions but then so is the Scottish government.
Would being independent have stopped the SNP spending £250M on two ferries? Etc. Etc.Most of the problems in Scotland are nothing to do with Westminster but it is handy having a bogie man to blame when things go wrong.
Sad. Scotland used to be a place of enterprise and initiative.
stevensdrs said:
Trouble with that is she doesn't actually want it, just wants to stay in the job making more hollow promises.
She would sh!t a brick if Boris gave her a section 30.
Of course she doesn’t want it.She would sh!t a brick if Boris gave her a section 30.
She’s in the perfect place right now. She, or whoever leads the SNP, can continue to b
h and moan loudly about Westminster whist saying “Keep sending the money”.If they actually voted, and got, full independence, the SNP would s
t themselves inside out.I hope they get a section 30 order, and I hope they vote Yes, and I hope total independence swiftly follows. It’ll save us a few quid and we won’t have to listen to the SNP again.
But it won’t happen. I’ve spoken to plenty of Scottish people who agree that whilst many like the whole idea of painting their faces blue, screaming ‘freedom’, and voting Yes, the thrifty Scotsman inside each of them will take over, fear for their wallets, and vote No.
This fictitious independence farce will continue for decades.
In other news: permanent Covid powers including, if I read it correctly, arbitrary closures of Universities and lockdowns on a whim https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
Is this a fking dictatorship?
Is this a f
king dictatorship?alangla said:
In other news: permanent Covid powers including, if I read it correctly, arbitrary closures of Universities and lockdowns on a whim https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
Is this a fking dictatorship?
They rammed that legislation through last night so that it would be hidden by the focus on her referendum BS. I can't find the wordsIs this a f
king dictatorship?to describe the horror of an administration in control of Scotland at the present time, which is just as well because it would be an instant
ban.
I do hope the SNP will publish how they are going to finance an independent Scotland before they hold the Neverendum.
The media and opposition need to start asking for detail, not promises of free Unicorns and unlimited benefits.
Their track record is woeful, and I won't start to list the epic failures as it has been exposed on this thread many times.
Come on then Nippy, how do the figures add up??
The media and opposition need to start asking for detail, not promises of free Unicorns and unlimited benefits.
Their track record is woeful, and I won't start to list the epic failures as it has been exposed on this thread many times.
Come on then Nippy, how do the figures add up??
Yesterday was a good day for the Union.
An excellent summation of the situation. I am really not understanding what Sturgeon's tactics are meant to be here because this looks like a last-throw-of-the-dice gamble to me.
On a related note, my staunchly Nationalists brother-in-law who has been mighty quiet on the subject of independence on his Facebook timeline for the past three years yesterday proudly announced that "we have a date for the referendum" with a graphic from the SNPpropaganda machine website. His social media following runs to several hundred, many of which are family who have expressed pro-indy sentiments in the past, plus many of his like minded friends and work colleagues.
By this morning his post had achieved 4 likes!!
I do think this is indicative of the 'not now, please' the majority of people (SNP and non-SNP voters alike) are feeling about having a referendum when there is so much else wrong with peoples' daily lives without adding the misery that 18 months of a repeat of the internecine division of friends and family to satiate the political urges of an aggressive minority would cause (I'm not relishing the idea of being called a "fking Toary" again by a face-painted activists in the street because I've got a Jag now rather than the BMW I had in 2014...)
There will be plenty who will ignore this on both sides, simply because they have had enough strife, misery and depression the last two years. Scotland became a very unpleasant place between the years 2012 to 2017 (when the SNP took a relative kicking at the General Election and the rhetoric was turned down a notch or two). We need something positive in our lives, and this just isn't it by a long way.
An excellent summation of the situation. I am really not understanding what Sturgeon's tactics are meant to be here because this looks like a last-throw-of-the-dice gamble to me.
On a related note, my staunchly Nationalists brother-in-law who has been mighty quiet on the subject of independence on his Facebook timeline for the past three years yesterday proudly announced that "we have a date for the referendum" with a graphic from the SNP
By this morning his post had achieved 4 likes!!
I do think this is indicative of the 'not now, please' the majority of people (SNP and non-SNP voters alike) are feeling about having a referendum when there is so much else wrong with peoples' daily lives without adding the misery that 18 months of a repeat of the internecine division of friends and family to satiate the political urges of an aggressive minority would cause (I'm not relishing the idea of being called a "f
king Toary" again by a face-painted activists in the street because I've got a Jag now rather than the BMW I had in 2014...)There will be plenty who will ignore this on both sides, simply because they have had enough strife, misery and depression the last two years. Scotland became a very unpleasant place between the years 2012 to 2017 (when the SNP took a relative kicking at the General Election and the rhetoric was turned down a notch or two). We need something positive in our lives, and this just isn't it by a long way.
Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 29th June 12:09
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