Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 3)

[turbobloke]

Seventy said:

First post in here (I think!).

I voted for but I’m really struggling to see the benefits, in fact I’m struggling to see any at all!!

Feel like I was sold a pup.

Can someone point me in the right direction?
Any tangible benefit will do!

Having been 'sold a pup' what were you shopping for? Did you really weigh up the total nonsense from both politicians and campaigners? It was and is still nonsense! It's really not a good idea to believe what any politician says, and relying on them is a no no.

It's that time again. If you were expecting a myopic focus on trade, you'll be disappointed.

-UK can forget automatic supremacy of EU laws over laws the UK can make
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
-the UK can directly elect and eject our own muppet politicians, which helps
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
-UK can make, and has made, trade deals without compromising due to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel (more clipping ahead?)
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't directly exposed to future EU bail-in potential / EZ crises
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
-UK procurement can move beyond mandatory OJEU processes
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on

HTH

[Seventy]

TBH I’m not interested in what they can do, I’m interested in what they have done.

I’m seeing virtually nothing.

[Seventy]

turbobloke said:

-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK

Just picking this one out, I’m still not seeing it.

Have you watched the news recently?

[bitchstewie]

Seventy said:

TBH I’m not interested in what they can do, I’m interested in what they have done.

I’m seeing virtually nothing.

Good luck with that

[Sway]

Seventy said:

TBH I’m not interested in what they can do, I’m interested in what they have done.

I’m seeing virtually nothing.

For the umpteenth time (and seriously, your post has been posted pretty much word for word by dozens of people 'just popping into the thread for the first time) - you want just one tangible, implemented benefit?

Ok.

We've introduced a new import tariff schedule that's significantly simpler and cheaper for importers. As a net importing nation, this is huge.

On top of that, despite tariff burdens being reduced on importers, as we're not sending 80% of the duties levied to Brussels the Exchequer actually has increased tariff income.

[Seventy]

turbobloke said:

-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL

And another.

I didn’t vote for this and tbh I don’t see it as a benefit, either way.
I don’t remember seeing it in the manifesto is what I’m saying.

The only muppetry I see, in hindsight is from Farage and JRM.

[Sway]

Seventy said:

turbobloke said:

-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL

And another.

I didn’t vote for this and tbh I don’t see it as a benefit, either way.
I don’t remember seeing it in the manifesto is what I’m saying.

The only muppetry I see, in hindsight is from Farage and JRM.

There wasn't a 'manifesto' - that's not how referenda work.

However, we did ignore the muppetry within the EU trying to agree bloc level sanctions against Russia, and by taking the actions we did put a huge amount of pressure on the EU to sort their st out.

[Seventy]

Sway said:

We've introduced a new import tariff schedule that's significantly simpler and cheaper for importers. As a net importing nation, this is huge.

Tbh I’m not seeing this either.

I import from the EU and it’s significantly more expensive now.

[crankedup5]

Starmer has done a spectacular ‘U’ from wanting to offer a second referendum (2019)regarding brexit decision. Now he is promising that under his leadership he will not be seeking to gain entry to the EU single market, FOM or the EU customs union. Perhaps at long last even he has accepted
the 2016 referendum result. Only took him six years

[blueg33]

crankedup5 said:

Starmer has done a spectacular ‘U’ from wanting to offer a second referendum (2019)regarding brexit decision. Now he is promising that under his leadership he will not be seeking to gain entry to the EU single market, FOM or the EU customs union. Perhaps at long last even he has accepted
the 2016 referendum result. Only took him six years

He recognises that it was an idiotic move, he recognises that we would never rejoin with the benefits and advantages we had before a minority of our population chose to throw it away.

The only way forward is to make the best of a bad lot.

[Seventy]

turbobloke said:

-UK can make, and has made, trade deals without compromising due to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries

Not really seeing this one, either.

Is it just Australia and New Zealand outside of the EU?

And are they actually up and running?

Is it six years and counting since the vote?

I tell you, I’m really not seeing it.
Definitely sold a pup.

[Mortarboard]

Seventy said:

Sway said:

We've introduced a new import tariff schedule that's significantly simpler and cheaper for importers. As a net importing nation, this is huge.

Tbh I’m not seeing this either.

I import from the EU and it’s significantly more expensive now.

You might as well cite reduction in trade as an advantage too, less cost in import fees

M.

[sunbeam alpine]

Sway said:

We've introduced a new import tariff schedule that's significantly simpler and cheaper for importers. As a net importing nation, this is huge.

On top of that, despite tariff burdens being reduced on importers, as we're not sending 80% of the duties levied to Brussels the Exchequer actually has increased tariff income.

While I don't (have the knowledge to) disagree with you, do you really believe the average person in the street has experienced any tangible benefit so far?

[crankedup5]

blueg33 said:

crankedup5 said:

Starmer has done a spectacular ‘U’ from wanting to offer a second referendum (2019)regarding brexit decision. Now he is promising that under his leadership he will not be seeking to gain entry to the EU single market, FOM or the EU customs union. Perhaps at long last even he has accepted
the 2016 referendum result. Only took him six years

He recognises that it was an idiotic move, he recognises that we would never rejoin with the benefits and advantages we had before a minority of our population chose to throw it away.

The only way forward is to make the best of a bad lot.

Took him six years, nothing to do with the next GE or anything like that of course. But I am pleased that senior former remain politicians are now going to work for the Country on moving forward, such a pity we have had to wait for so many years.

[Lotobear]

Seventy said:

TBH I’m not interested in what they can do, I’m interested in what they have done.

I’m seeing virtually nothing.

You won't as there hasn't been time yet (to determine either way whether it's been a good or a bad decision). Since it was actually 'done' we've had Covid, the ensuing economic st storm, now a war in Europe and added to that a Government who appear in any event reluctant to take the opportunities presented by it.

We won't know for years.

[andymadmak]

Seventy said:

(snip)


Is it six years and counting since the vote?

Why do some on the Remain side insist on saying this? It appears regularly in Remain supporting newspapers as well. I suppose it helps if you can forget the 3 years we spent in deadlock, the 3 years that May and Robbins spent trying to sell the secret Merkel deal to a Parliament that, despite having a Remain majority couldn't bring itself to vote for it...
It's almost as if some in the Remain camp want to forget their sides role in creating that 6 years (and counting)

[bitchstewie]

andymadmak said:

Why do some on the Remain side insist on saying this?

Erm he voted for Brexit Andy.

[don'tbesilly]

crankedup5 said:

Starmer has done a spectacular ‘U’ from wanting to offer a second referendum (2019)regarding brexit decision. Now he is promising that under his leadership he will not be seeking to gain entry to the EU single market, FOM or the EU customs union. Perhaps at long last even he has accepted
the 2016 referendum result. Only took him six years

Starmer's just trying to placate the red wall voters, the same voters who deserted Labour in 2019 because of labour's wishy-washy approach to Brexit, and Starmer's support for a second referendum despite him saying the vote of 2016 needed to be respected and followed through on.

You don't have to look too far to know you can't trust Labour anymore than you can trust the Tories.

[sunbeam alpine]

andymadmak said:

Why do some on the Remain side insist on saying this? It appears regularly in Remain supporting newspapers as well. I suppose it helps if you can forget the 3 years we spent in deadlock, the 3 years that May and Robbins spent trying to sell the secret Merkel deal to a Parliament that, despite having a Remain majority couldn't bring itself to vote for it...
It's almost as if some in the Remain camp want to forget their sides role in creating that 6 years (and counting)

turbobloke said:

-UK can forget automatic supremacy of EU laws over laws the UK can make
-UK can make more decisions in Westminster over more areas of policy
-UK politicians are therefore more directly accountable than pre-brexit
-the UK can directly elect and eject our own muppet politicians, which helps
-UK can relegate MEPs and QMV to a more appropriate position down the list
-UK can make, and has made, trade deals without compromising due to the disparate needs of 20+ other countries
-UK can be more independent now the CJEU has had its wings severely clipped this side of the channel (more clipping ahead?)
-UK can forget about paying an annual membership fee to a dysfunctional can-kicking club
-UK can enjoy risk reduction benefits as the UK isn't directly exposed to future EU bail-in potential / EZ crises
-UK can ignore/laugh more at muppetry from the likes of Tusk, Juncker, UvdL
-UK MPs can forget about a gravytrain option and be more focused on the UK
-UK procurement can move beyond mandatory OJEU processes
-UK can vary state aid policy after being freed from EU state aid rules
-UK can put aside a future being subsumed as a colony while the EU federalist empire-building process staggers on

HTH

Do you not see any irony in claiming that part of the problem was the UK's own democratically-elected government?

[crankedup5]

don'tbesilly said:

crankedup5 said:

Starmer has done a spectacular ‘U’ from wanting to offer a second referendum (2019)regarding brexit decision. Now he is promising that under his leadership he will not be seeking to gain entry to the EU single market, FOM or the EU customs union. Perhaps at long last even he has accepted
the 2016 referendum result. Only took him six years

Starmer's just trying to placate the red wall voters, the same voters who deserted Labour in 2019 because of labour's wishy-washy approach to Brexit, and Starmer's support for a second referendum despite him saying the vote of 2016 needed to be respected and followed through on.

You don't have to look too far to know you can't trust Labour anymore than you can trust the Tories.

Yup exactly, most politicians ditch their ‘principles’ when the political tide dictates it.