Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 3)

[loafer123]

DeltonaS said:

An oven ready, built back better, global Britain, suppa duppa deal......

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-22...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-09...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/food-s...

Hey, 'tona.

Glad you're still alive - we've been, er, worried.

[crankedup5]

sugerbear said:

Garvin said:

sugerbear said:

Garvin said:

Oilchange said:

But it didn’t include a US deal though.
Did it?

Of course it didn’t. He’s just rambling, now moving the goal posts, clutching at straws as an outlet for his anger.

Some people will never get over the fact that we have now left the EU never to return. They will go to their graves bitter and twisted with it continually gnawing at their very being. Couple that with the fact that Boris is going nowhere for many a year and it’s just too much to bear for some.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will get on with our lives and make the best of it.

And some people choose to stick their head in the sand and pretend that things will never change. It took five years to go from no one caring about the EU (apart from a few swivel eyed loons on the right) to a referendum to leave.

You are entirely correct - Remainers were trying to persuade everyone that staying in the EU would maintain some sort of status quo . . . . . absolutely laughable!

Err. remaining in the EU *would* have maintained the status quo.

things are only going to go one way with Brexit. And it won't favour the people that backed it and promoted it (i.e. conservative MP's). You should prepare yourself for the UK going back into the SM and CU.

In 70 years time I won’t care. Not to mention that the EU will be just another historic footnote of Global politics.

[crankedup5]

loafer123 said:

DeltonaS said:

An oven ready, built back better, global Britain, suppa duppa deal......

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-22...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-09...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/food-s...

Hey, 'tona.

Glad you're still alive - we've been, er, worried.

That’s UU back from his ‘break’ and surprise surprise delta makes a reappearance on the same day.

[bitchstewie]

Worthwhile trip then.

That didn't take long! Boris executes embarrassing U-turn on cunning plan to join US-Mexico-Canada free trade area with No10 saying it is 'not an approach we are currently taking' following Biden snub - after US warns there is NO WAY to get into the pact

[Mortarboard]

I think the Tories were very forward looking. I mean, they did do the yellow hammer study. Thank God none if it was as bad as that. Oh, wait........

[SpeckledJim]

BOR said:

SpeckledJim said:

Macron gets the hump over a perceived (and actual) slight.

Gigantic prospective trade deal for 26 other countries (27 if you include the US) grinds to a complete halt.

The whole EU must be hostages to the pride and pique of France! Whether they want to or not.

It's only (other people's) money, after all.

I'm more than happy to stick together with France and I hope that goes for the rest of the EU .

This time it's France, next time it could be Spain, Germany Italy etc.

Fair enough. It'll go at the speed of the tardiest participant. Zero mph, until Macron tucks his lip back in. At the moment it's France who have called the halt. Next month maybe it'll be the Walloons again.

In the meantime large parts of the rest of the world are enthusiastically getting on with it, and quickly overtaking Old Europe.

[Ivan stewart]

sugerbear said:

Err. remaining in the EU *would* have maintained the status quo.

things are only going to go one way with Brexit. And it won't favour the people that backed it and promoted it (i.e. conservative MP's). You should prepare yourself for the UK going back into the SM and CU.

Yep status quo , more central one size fits all rules red tape ,taxes and empire building from nutty gravy train riding career politicians while us plebs are hung out to dry!!no thanks . Ya can stick your Eu where the sun don’t shine pal .

[Vanden Saab]

Unknown_User said:

A great success of Bozza's "Oven ready" deal has emerged. By all accounts, Northern Ireland aren't facing the CO2 squeeze as the rest of the UK as Diddy Frosts Protocol thingy means NI source their CO2 from the single market. Who da thunk it...!!!

. #awkward

What? you will have to explain that one me thinks...

You seem to be suggesting that companies in NI can import CO2 from the EU while those in the rest of the UK cannot...because of the single market...

[sunbeam alpine]

Vanden Saab said:

Unknown_User said:

A great success of Bozza's "Oven ready" deal has emerged. By all accounts, Northern Ireland aren't facing the CO2 squeeze as the rest of the UK as Diddy Frosts Protocol thingy means NI source their CO2 from the single market. Who da thunk it...!!!

. #awkward

What? you will have to explain that one me thinks...

You seem to be suggesting that companies in NI can import CO2 from the EU while those in the rest of the UK cannot...because of the single market...

I imagine he's suggesting that NI can source it's CO² from Ireland. I know that one of my UK suppliers has given up trying to deliver to NI from UK and has handed over all NI customers to their Irish distributor

[Mortarboard]

Vanden Saab said:

Unknown_User said:

A great success of Bozza's "Oven ready" deal has emerged. By all accounts, Northern Ireland aren't facing the CO2 squeeze as the rest of the UK as Diddy Frosts Protocol thingy means NI source their CO2 from the single market. Who da thunk it...!!!

. #awkward

What? you will have to explain that one me thinks...

You seem to be suggesting that companies in NI can import CO2 from the EU while those in the rest of the UK cannot...because of the single market...

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-coca-cola-production-saved-from-uk-co2-crisis-by-protocol-40873699.html

So it would appear. Brexiters will no doubt find some way of making this "not Brexits fault" too, I suppose

[Unknown_User]

Mortarboard said:

Vanden Saab said:

Unknown_User said:

A great success of Bozza's "Oven ready" deal has emerged. By all accounts, Northern Ireland aren't facing the CO2 squeeze as the rest of the UK as Diddy Frosts Protocol thingy means NI source their CO2 from the single market. Who da thunk it...!!!

. #awkward

What? you will have to explain that one me thinks...

You seem to be suggesting that companies in NI can import CO2 from the EU while those in the rest of the UK cannot...because of the single market...

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-coca-cola-production-saved-from-uk-co2-crisis-by-protocol-40873699.html

So it would appear. Brexiters will no doubt find some way of making this "not Brexits fault" too, I suppose

[Garvin]

sugerbear said:

Err. remaining in the EU *would* have maintained the status quo.

things are only going to go one way with Brexit. And it won't favour the people that backed it and promoted it (i.e. conservative MP's). You should prepare yourself for the UK going back into the SM and CU.

Thank you for proving my point. The only status quo would be that UK remained a member of the club. To believe that the club would not change over time aiming for ever more political and fiscal union, as it has through various treaties, is to stick your head firmly where the sun doesn’t shine!

[Garvin]

sunbeam alpine said:

Garvin said:

Meanwhile, the rest of us will get on with our lives and make the best of it.

Interesting use of language there. "Making the best of it" is an expression I associate with finding oneself in less-than-optimal circumstances, suggesting that the current UK position is not so good.

Shortage of truck drivers, shortage of factory workers, farm workers. Now a CO² shortage threatening food supplies. It's really not going well in the UK at the moment is it?

I agree that Covid is having a significant impact, and that we are experiencing the same energy challenges and truck driver shortages here in Europe. I also agree that low-priced labour from newer members of the EU has helped push wages down for both UK and EU workers in some segments.

There's been no noticeable effect in supermarket supplies over here, no mention of possible food shortages. Prices over here ex-farm are disastrous in some sectors and very good in others - mirroring the UK I suspect. I've checked news web sites in Belgium, Holland, France and Germany and I can't find any mention of the sort of problems which are being reported in the UK. I've restricted my web searches to publicly-funded news services as they have less need for doom and gloom stories and are (hopefully) more neutral. Interestingly, the current UK situation doesn't get a mention.

Just to be clear, I'm not a remainer in the sense of wanting to overturn the democratic choice made in 2016, nor do I have any wish to see the UK rejoin.

I have never been in a UK that I would deem optimal! Always something irritating. However, the issue at hand is whether being out of the EU is better (more optimal) or worse (less optimal). Overall I deem it more optimal but not perfect and better out than in. Those sub-optimal issues I will just get on with and try, as best I can, to arrange my life to ‘make the best of it’. I will use whatever (very limited) tools at my disposal to effect change but not bleat incessantly on a forum that things ain’t fair cos, well, they never have been and never will be.

BTW, the CO2 situation is a result of the energy crisis and I’m not ware that either is a result of Brexit.

As for things being hunky dory in the EU, how is inflation going in Germany? How is Macron’s blood pressure now that France have been completely outmanoeuvred out of their submarine contract with Australia? Not to mention Barnier’s recent admission that FOM and immigration in the EU is a crock of st!

[sunbeam alpine]

Garvin said:

BTW, the CO2 situation is a result of the energy crisis and I’m not ware that either is a result of Brexit.

I didn't suggest that it was a result of Brexit. Brexit has however severely limited the UK's ability to access alternative supplies very quickly.

Garvin said:

As for things being hunky dory in the EU, how is inflation going in Germany? How is Macron’s blood pressure now that France have been completely outmanoeuvred out of their submarine contract with Australia? Not to mention Barnier’s recent admission that FOM and immigration in the EU is a crock of st!

This thread is about whether Brexit was worth it. I'm not saying it's perfect over here, but I think it's a lot better than in the UK at the moment.

[turbobloke]

sunbeam alpine said:

Garvin said:

BTW, the CO2 situation is a result of the energy crisis and I’m not ware that either is a result of Brexit.

I didn't suggest that it was a result of Brexit. Brexit has however severely limited the UK's ability to access alternative supplies very quickly.

Garvin said:

As for things being hunky dory in the EU, how is inflation going in Germany? How is Macron’s blood pressure now that France have been completely outmanoeuvred out of their submarine contract with Australia? Not to mention Barnier’s recent admission that FOM and immigration in the EU is a crock of st!

This thread is about whether Brexit was worth it. I'm not saying it's perfect over here, but I think it's a lot better than in the UK at the moment.

[anonymous-user]

Ooh a new volume! I've not been keeping up, but have we given £500M extra a week to the NHS yet as promised on the bus?? :-)

[Vanden Saab]

Unknown_User said:

Mortarboard said:

Vanden Saab said:

Unknown_User said:

A great success of Bozza's "Oven ready" deal has emerged. By all accounts, Northern Ireland aren't facing the CO2 squeeze as the rest of the UK as Diddy Frosts Protocol thingy means NI source their CO2 from the single market. Who da thunk it...!!!

. #awkward

What? you will have to explain that one me thinks...

You seem to be suggesting that companies in NI can import CO2 from the EU while those in the rest of the UK cannot...because of the single market...

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-coca-cola-production-saved-from-uk-co2-crisis-by-protocol-40873699.html

So it would appear. Brexiters will no doubt find some way of making this "not Brexits fault" too, I suppose

A link behind a paywall, brilliant. Can you actually point out what the difference is between importing CO2 from the EU to NI vs. the UK or is it a secret?

[Mortarboard]

Vanden Saab said:

Unknown_User said:

Mortarboard said:

Vanden Saab said:

Unknown_User said:

A great success of Bozza's "Oven ready" deal has emerged. By all accounts, Northern Ireland aren't facing the CO2 squeeze as the rest of the UK as Diddy Frosts Protocol thingy means NI source their CO2 from the single market. Who da thunk it...!!!

. #awkward

What? you will have to explain that one me thinks...

You seem to be suggesting that companies in NI can import CO2 from the EU while those in the rest of the UK cannot...because of the single market...

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-coca-cola-production-saved-from-uk-co2-crisis-by-protocol-40873699.html

So it would appear. Brexiters will no doubt find some way of making this "not Brexits fault" too, I suppose

A link behind a paywall, brilliant. Can you actually point out what the difference is between importing CO2 from the EU to NI vs. the UK or is it a secret?

BBC link for the internet challenged.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-58652...

Perhaps Coke are just EU shills or something?

It's gas, so 'tis.

M.

[Vanden Saab]

Mortarboard said:

Vanden Saab said:

Unknown_User said:

Mortarboard said:

Vanden Saab said:

Unknown_User said:

A great success of Bozza's "Oven ready" deal has emerged. By all accounts, Northern Ireland aren't facing the CO2 squeeze as the rest of the UK as Diddy Frosts Protocol thingy means NI source their CO2 from the single market. Who da thunk it...!!!

. #awkward

What? you will have to explain that one me thinks...

You seem to be suggesting that companies in NI can import CO2 from the EU while those in the rest of the UK cannot...because of the single market...

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-coca-cola-production-saved-from-uk-co2-crisis-by-protocol-40873699.html

So it would appear. Brexiters will no doubt find some way of making this "not Brexits fault" too, I suppose

A link behind a paywall, brilliant. Can you actually point out what the difference is between importing CO2 from the EU to NI vs. the UK or is it a secret?

BBC link for the internet challenged.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-58652...

Perhaps Coke are just EU shills or something?

It's gas, so 'tis.

M.

Did you actually read the link you posted?

link said:

However, Coca-Cola would not confirm if its ability to maintain production was a result of the Northern Ireland Protocol part of the Brexit deal and having access to supplies of CO2 from the European Union.

[Mortarboard]

And yet, no problems there, yet supply chaos in the UK. Odd that

Brexit- deflection and excuse making matters.

M.