Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)

[Ivan stewart]

Kawasicki said:

That David Attenborough dude clearly doesn’t know his arse from his elbow!

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

[Randy Winkman]

Ivan stewart said:

Kawasicki said:

That David Attenborough dude clearly doesn’t know his arse from his elbow!

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

Do you think he needs the work then? Anyway, the glaciers stuff a few posts up was interesting.

[Ivan stewart]

Randy Winkman said:

Ivan stewart said:

Kawasicki said:

That David Attenborough dude clearly doesn’t know his arse from his elbow!

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

Do you think he needs the work then? Anyway, the glaciers stuff a few posts up was interesting.

No doesn’t need the work but probably would like to stay as a national treasure !!

[turbobloke]

Ivan stewart said:

Randy Winkman said:

Ivan stewart said:

Kawasicki said:

That David Attenborough dude clearly doesn’t know his arse from his elbow!

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

Do you think he needs the work then? Anyway, the glaciers stuff a few posts up was interesting.

No doesn’t need the work but probably would like to stay as a national treasure !!

Quite, a straight bat when the question was more than a few degrees sideways. It's pointless for any sleb to do a Bellamy.

Glaciers and their host planet don't read The Guardian or IPCC grey lit, so all in good time, as seen in slowly changing climate politics.

[dickymint]

durbster said:

My point is about the shameless hypocrisy of those happy to relentlessly mock and disparage one man based exclusively on a single sentence published in a casual newspaper article 20 years ago, while ignoring the fact that their beliefs are derived from people who have published whole papers of total failures.

Well said - sums you up very well

[kerplunk]

heh mining geologist David Archibald's laughably wrong global cooling predictions and poor old David Bellamy on the same page...in more ways than one

Bellamy bought into the global cooling ahoy predictions and wrote the foreword in Archibald's 2010 book "The past and future of climate : why the world is cooling and why carbon dioxide won't make a detectable difference"

[kerplunk]

Here's an extract from Archibald's book called "Why scientists get it wrong"

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2010...

[dickymint]

kerplunk said:

Here's an extract from Archibald's book called "Why scientists get it wrong"

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2010...

Did you listen to the BBC Podcast I linked to the other day?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001k0ky

[mko9]

durbster said:

Master Of Puppets said:

In 1948, when Al Gore was born, Earth had 130,000 glaciers.

Today, 75 years later, the Earth has 130,000 glaciers remaining.

Source: WGMS

Apparently 1976 is the correct number and mass of glaciers in the world.

[turbobloke]

mko9 said:

Apparently 1976 is the correct number and mass of glaciers in the world.

The hottest year nearly ever in the UK so proving local regional global warming cooling chaos change.

Glaciers are interesting it must be said. There are glaciers with two snouts, one advancing and one receding, at the same time. How come the advancing snout missed the memo about latest global mean temperature, it's very concerning to think important information is being ignored. As noted recently, Glacier National Park suffered an embarrassment when they erected prominent signage about glaciers disappearing by 2020, then the same lack of glacier attention to memo reading let them down. The signage disappeared but the glaciers didn't. On the arctic island of Svalbard, Prof Humlum who worked / works there has explained that Svalbard glaciers typically undergo a rapid advance for about ten years then recede slowly for decades, i.e. both are occurring at any one time but the length of time spent receding is longer. That makes it easy for a pressure group to use before/after photos decades apart for a single cherry picked glacier to 'show' that glaciers are receding, except for those advancing nearby due to local regional global warming cooling chaos change.

IPCC documentation (2007) was warning us about Himalayan glaciers disappearing by 2035, until they confessed that the date was an unfortunate typo, which can happen to anyone when copying grey lit. In this case the IPCC based their 2007 typo on 2005 grey lit sourced from the World Wildlife Fund, which had parroted content from an opinion piece that appeared in a popular UK science magazine in 1999. Prof Michael Zemp from the World Glacier Monitoring Service said of this saga "there are simply no observations available to make these sorts of statements". Solid, like ice sheets, which move due to basal slippage rather than mean global temperature which doesn't apply to a particular glacier surface in any case as its an average, so we shouldn't be too annoyed if one misses a memo. We can sleep easy, policy implications for the thumb of whichever politician is on the planet's thermostat are up there in the HoC library, so politicians will be well briefed on material Prof Zemp has waxed lyrical about.

[robinessex]

Hemsby: How many other communities are at risk of erosion?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-6494...

Coastal erosion claimed three homes in Hemsby last weekend and a further two properties in the village are deemed at serious risk. Are there other Hemsbys along the coast and what can be done to protect the communities which live there?
The East Anglian coastline is no stranger to coastal erosion.
During he 13th and 14th centuries the sea reclaimed much of Dunwich in Suffolk, once the 10th largest town in England.............continues

Having shown this has been happening for 10 centuries, why is it in the CC room?

[beagrizzly]

robinessex said:

Having shown this has been happening for 10 centuries, why is it in the CC room?

Gotta keep fuelling that BS engine....

[turbobloke]

Some current woes from climate policy snafus, and a blast or five from the past which are very relevant to the present.

Terence Corcoran: The bank crises could take down the ESG push
Financial Post, 17 March 2023
https://financialpost.com/opinion/bank-crises-coul...

US Governor Ron DeSantis forms alliance of 18 US States to fight woke ESG banks and investing
Outkick, 16 March 2023
https://www.outkick.com/ron-desantis-forms-allianc...

Kimberley A. Strassel: Did ESG help sink SVB?
The Wall Street Journal, 17 March 2023
https://www.wsj.com/articles/did-esg-help-sink-svb...



Climate bank: Credit Suisse publishes Climate Action Plan for its investment areas
Credit Suisse, 1 December 2022
https://www.credit-suisse.com/about-us-news/en/art...

Green Tories were warned: Bank of England should not be made to go green, warns former BoE Governor
The Daily Telegraph, 12 March 2021
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/03/12/ba...

Mervyn King and Dan Katz: Central banks are risking their independence and financial stability
Bloomberg, 23 August 2021
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-08...

Rupert Darwall: Are we heading for a Net Zero crash?
The Spectator, 08 November 2021
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/are-we-heading...

Nigel Lawson grills Bank of England Governor Mark Carney on going green
House of Lords, Economic Affairs Committee, 10 March 2015
https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/75d63d98...

[turbobloke]

Also quite recent, from 2022 and 2021, what's not the answer? Hydrogen.

https://www.energylivenews.com/2022/12/20/hydrogen...

https://www.netzerowatch.com/the-white-elephant-of...

[Ivan stewart]

Kawasicki said:

That David Attenborough dude clearly doesn’t know his arse from his elbow!

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

[hairykrishna]

Ivan stewart said:

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

Are you serious?

[turbobloke]

There's a great take-away in TC's FP article, not to be missed, but will be in political circles and they're among the most distracted.

"Focus on climate has distracted from what's important"

Very difficult to put it better.

[turbobloke]

hairykrishna said:

Ivan stewart said:

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

Are you serious?

Are you John McEnroe?
Are you in favour of people being spat at in the street due to an evidenced scientific view?
Are you in favour of hate mail directed to an individual due to an evidenced scientific view?

Where's a tennis umpire when needed.

ETA this is from DB discussing the consequences of speaking truth to bias.

Prof David Bellamy said:

I really wasn’t welcome at the BBC. They froze me out, because I don’t believe in global warming. My career dried up. I was thrown out of my own conservation groups and I got spat at in London. I got a letter that said, “David Bellamy is... a paedophile because he doesn’t believe in global warming and is killing our children....David Attenborough used to be one of us on wind farms

Edited by turbobloke on Sunday 19th March 09:26

[durbster]

hairykrishna said:

Ivan stewart said:

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

Are you serious?

I think they are serious. In denier-world, the 97 year old David Attenborough is lying on his TV shows to protect his long term career prospects.

[Pan Pan Pan]

durbster said:

hairykrishna said:

Ivan stewart said:

Oh I think he does , but he is clever enough to keep it to himself, being old and wise and seeing what happens if you were to question the religion, see David Bellamy , Jonnie Ball and others..

Are you serious?

I think they are serious. In denier-world, the 97 year old David Attenborough is lying on his TV shows to protect his long term career prospects.

Meanwhile, Unlike you, others have the ability to look beyond `what' is happening, and look to see `what' is causing it.