Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)

[Biker 1]

ant1973 said:

Eventually they will vote for people who promise to make them richer (or at least no less well off).

What happens when people democratically reject the climate agenda?

Is there a mainstream, electable party that isn't promising net zero?
I think we will need one before the next GE, but who?

[turbobloke]

Berliners vote down referendum on tighter climate goals
Berliner Morgenpost, 26 March 2023

UK government expected to offer oil and gas companies tax relief to improve energy security (aka Drill, Baby, Drill)
Financial Times, 25 March 2023

UK Govt planning to launch watered down Net Zero strategy in oil capital Aberdeen
The Guardian, 25 March 2025

ETA warming globally to green toxic waste:
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2023/03/...

Edited by turbobloke on Monday 27th March 17:26

[DJMC]

Apologies for not reading the thread thus far.

Surely over population is the real problem. Dramatically reduce this and we might be able to save the planet. On the basis this won't happen, that global population will continue to increase, and that the human race cannot really affect what the Earth decides to do in the future, my opinion is that it is a certainly that at some point we'll all be killed off. This could be from global warming, lack of water, a meteorite collision, nuclear war...

So, are we not better to do nothing and let the destruction of the human race come sooner rather than later? That way, with an ever increasing global population, less people will be killed.

[Kawasicki]

turbobloke said:

Berliners vote down referendum on tighter climate goals
Berliner Morgenpost, 26 March 2023

UK government expected to offer oil and gas companies tax relief to improve energy security (aka Drill, Baby, Drill)
Financial Times, 25 March 2023

UK Govt planning to launch watered down Net Zero strategy in oil capital Aberdeen
The Guardian, 25 March 2025

ETA warming globally to green toxic waste:
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2023/03/...

Edited by turbobloke on Monday 27th March 17:26

The vibe is changing rapidly in Germany.

The coalition between the business friendly, pro self-determination FDP and the Greens is struggling.

Listening to the radio this morning, the presenter said that both parties are environmentally focused, they just have completely opposite strategies in mind how to get there. The presenter described the FDP as having a liberal, tech based, market forces approach… whilst the greens wanted new laws to force the public towards net zero.

What is the opposite of liberal? Authoritarian.

It really is a battle between the carrot and the stick approach, and strangely voters are actually starting to see it more and more… the appeal of the Greens is rapidly diminishing.

Fortschritt is das grüne Wort für Verbote.
Progress is the green word for bans.

[Blib]

Climate change threatening 'high-performance sport's existence' says UK Sport chief -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/65099356

Hopefully, it'll wipe out Arsenal FC first.

[turbobloke]

Kawasicki said:

The vibe is changing rapidly in Germany...

Fortschritt is das grüne Wort für Verbote.
Progress is the green word for bans.

Nice turn of phrase. We could do with more change here in the UK, not necessarily of the climate variety. Italy is following Germany's lead:

Italy pushes back on green transition in drive to protect its economy and industries
Reuters, 27 March 2023
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/italy...

DJMC said:

Surely over population is the real problem.

A morsel of better news if a lower growth rate is good. Not long ago it looked like this:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/w...

Since then, a recent report from the UN issued in 2022 projects that global population will peak around 2086 at about 10.4 billion, followed by a slow decline.

Blib said:

Climate change threatening 'high-performance sport's existence' says UK Sport chief -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/65099356

Hopefully, it'll wipe out Arsenal FC first.

Not wanting to get drawn in on the Arsenal aspect, there's a lot more under threat from the activism and extremism pushing agw, and back on the pitch, football teams are now under pressure over modes of transport when playing away matches. Control freakery in overdrive.

[Diderot]

Randy Winkman said:

turbobloke said:

Putting their all-consuming panic over local global warming cooling climate chaos change aside, the EU has agreed not to ban the sale of cars with internal combustion engines after 2035. Germany ftw. Ice melting away but not is a bit of a thing these days, Glacier National Park car park etc.

Over to you Mr Sunak. Net Zero by 2500, maybe.

I'd say that's in recognition of the fact that global agreements are hard or impossible to get than because there is no need to try to do so.

They’ve been trying for what is it now, 30 years? All the while their hyperbolic narrative has become increasingly shrill, alarmist and eschatological, and there’s still no sign of anything of any significance to halt the so-called ‘emergency’. And, as a result, the bandwagon simply rolls on. It’s Dubai this year for a nice and warm pre-Xmas boondoggle. They should all converge on somewhere.north of the Arctic Circle to see if there’s any ice or snow left, that’d learn the hypocritical politicos.

[deeps]

Coming to a town near you, Low Traffic Neighbourhoods (LTN's) policed by 'stop oil' lookalike morons...

Short clip of a brave women not having any of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXzRvw284cU

[robinessex]

England not ready for the impact of climate change

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-650...

England is not ready for the unavoidable impacts of global warming, the government's advisers on climate change say in a new report.
The Committee on Climate Change (CCC) said the government hasn't achieved any of its targets and needed a policy "step change" TO AVOID LOSS OF LIFE....................Over the last couple of years, England has faced a series of extreme weather events, LIKELY made worse by climate change.

How is this loss of life going to happen then? "Likely" made worse?

A helpful picture provided of some idiot who set fire to his garden with a barbeque probably

.

[turbobloke]

deeps said:

Coming to a town near you, Low Traffic Neighbourhoods (LTN's) policed by 'stop oil' lookalike morons...

Short clip of a brave women not having any of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXzRvw284cU

No jobs to go to, no crude oil derivatives in clothing or signage, no CO2 emitting homes to tend to while checking the dates on expensive vegan food...What a luxury life these holier than thou well-off modern day hectoring hippies lead. At least they're not keeping cars idling and emitting, while the lectures proceed. Clever stuff from well-informed individuals, obviously.

They weren't given a hairdryer for speed checks. Somebody's missing a control freak trick. Then again, give it time.

[robinessex]

Swiss court case ties human rights to climate change

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65107800

More than 2,000 women are taking the Swiss government to court claiming its policy on climate change is violating their right to life and health.
The case is the first time the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) will hear a case on the impact of climate change on human rights.
It follows six years of unsuccessful battles through the Swiss courts.
Temperatures in Switzerland are rising faster than the global average and there are ever more frequent heatwaves.
The Swiss women - w ho call themselves the Club of Climate Seniors and have an average age of 73 - say climate change is putting their human rights, their health and even their lives at risk. Their evidence to the court includes their medical records...................continues

I presume they will have to present hard concrete facts to support their claims(s). I doubt any court will accept climate stuff full of guessing words.

[turbobloke]

robinessex said:

Swiss court case ties human rights to climate change

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65107800

More than 2,000 women are taking the Swiss government to court claiming its policy on climate change is violating their right to life and health.
The case is the first time the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) will hear a case on the impact of climate change on human rights.
It follows six years of unsuccessful battles through the Swiss courts.
Temperatures in Switzerland are rising faster than the global average and there are ever more frequent heatwaves.
The Swiss women - w ho call themselves the Club of Climate Seniors and have an average age of 73 - say climate change is putting their human rights, their health and even their lives at risk. Their evidence to the court includes their medical records...................continues

I presume they will have to present hard concrete facts to support their claims(s). I doubt any court will accept climate stuff full of guessing words.

Sure, it's not faith or fashion fads in the slightest. No compo chasing, no virtue signalling.

Courts and climate are about to clash closer to home. Holier than thou Gaia goggles at the ready!

Link said:

120 ‘prominent’ barristers, solicitors and academics have signed a ‘declaration of conscience’ ahead of ‘The Big One’ – four days of demonstrations outside Parliament next month protesting about the ‘climate crisis’. They say they will refuse to represent ‘fossil fuel’ companies or prosecute climate change protesters.

Few care what academic lawyers, who have never been near a court or had a client, say about anything, and solicitors have no duty to act for anybody if they don’t want to. But when a bunch of barristers dares publicly to challenge the centuries-old ‘cab-rank’ rule on the pretext of saving the planet, things are getting serious. For, make no mistake, our liberty under the law depends on the rule that a barrister cannot refuse to act in a case within his competence, no matter who the client is...

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/eco-barristers-sinister-attack-on-the-sacred-cab-rank-rule/

That'll be a two good targets for some evidence based comment messenger shooting ad homs.

[robinessex]

turbobloke said:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/eco-barristers...

This is where CC gets sinister. Shows what vision politicians lack when they started the CC bandwagon, no vision of what the future will hold through complete incompetence and (lack of) foresight. Where are the political giants of the past today? The answer, we don't have them. We just get political numpties kicked out of Uni with a certificate.

[Randy Winkman]

robinessex said:

turbobloke said:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/eco-barristers...

This is where CC gets sinister. Shows what vision politicians lack when they started the CC bandwagon, no vision of what the future will hold through complete incompetence and (lack of) foresight. Where are the political giants of the past today? The answer, we don't have them. We just get political numpties kicked out of Uni with a certificate.

I simply don't understand what motivation politicians would have had to "start the CC bandwagon". As I see it they could get more votes and raise more tax by just giving people what they want and encouraging them to consume. They could even switch 180 degrees to that again now. Even if the current ones don't want to, as yet unelected ones could. Instant votes.

[turbobloke]

Randy Winkman said:

robinessex said:

turbobloke said:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/eco-barristers...

This is where CC gets sinister. Shows what vision politicians lack when they started the CC bandwagon, no vision of what the future will hold through complete incompetence and (lack of) foresight. Where are the political giants of the past today? The answer, we don't have them. We just get political numpties kicked out of Uni with a certificate.

I simply don't understand what motivation politicians would have had to "start the CC bandwagon".

It's a matter of interpretation. Politicians and the law of unintended consequences are well acquainted.

Some may say Left as things stand now (Labour peer Lord Donoughue , Chair of the all-party GWPF, speaks eloquently of the Left and its recent wedding to climate change) but it may have been a swift Right Left twostep. The usual trick of a conspiracy being mentioned mostly by those saying there isn't one - strawman style - is par for the course.

As machinations aren't always evident, we may never know, but here we all are, enjoying the consequences.

https://blog.friendsofscience.org/2022/07/20/marga...

[Kawasicki]

Randy Winkman said:

robinessex said:

turbobloke said:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/eco-barristers...

This is where CC gets sinister. Shows what vision politicians lack when they started the CC bandwagon, no vision of what the future will hold through complete incompetence and (lack of) foresight. Where are the political giants of the past today? The answer, we don't have them. We just get political numpties kicked out of Uni with a certificate.

I simply don't understand what motivation politicians would have had to "start the CC bandwagon". As I see it they could get more votes and raise more tax by just giving people what they want and encouraging them to consume. They could even switch 180 degrees to that again now. Even if the current ones don't want to, as yet unelected ones could. Instant votes.

Most just want to make the world a better place.

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

Randy Winkman said:

robinessex said:

turbobloke said:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/eco-barristers...

This is where CC gets sinister. Shows what vision politicians lack when they started the CC bandwagon, no vision of what the future will hold through complete incompetence and (lack of) foresight. Where are the political giants of the past today? The answer, we don't have them. We just get political numpties kicked out of Uni with a certificate.

I simply don't understand what motivation politicians would have had to "start the CC bandwagon".

It's a matter of interpretation. Politicians and the law of unintended consequences are well acquainted.

Some may say Left as things stand now (Labour peer Lord Donoughue , Chair of the all-party GWPF, speaks eloquently of the Left and its recent wedding to climate change) but it may have been a swift Right Left twostep. The usual trick of a conspiracy being mentioned mostly by those saying there isn't one - strawman style - is par for the course.

As machinations aren't always evident, we may never know, but here we all are, enjoying the consequences.

https://blog.friendsofscience.org/2022/07/20/marga...

Yeah, I blame Thatcher too.

[turbobloke]

Peter Tatchell and others got the memo back in 2007.

Green Is The New Red
https://www.redpepper.org.uk/green-is-the-new-red/

[turbobloke]

Labour's Lord Donoughue saw the reading on the thermometer in 2014.

Climate Change And The Left
https://www.netzerowatch.com/lord-donoughue-climat...

[Randy Winkman]

I'm sure that Tory politicians in recent years have also boasted about their green credentials. "Greenest government ever" anyone?