Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)

[turbobloke]

Kawasicki said:

You can be a climate scientist and a climate activist at the same time…

https://www.fastcompany.com/90739998/meet-a-climat...

No worries about conflicts of interest there, bias free analysis guaranteed.

How about an activist journalist, impartiality unavailable. Would it only matter with the BBC?

[kerplunk]

Kawasicki said:

You can be a climate scientist and a climate activist at the same time…

https://www.fastcompany.com/90739998/meet-a-climat...

No worries about conflicts of interest there, bias free analysis guaranteed.

Like you have any genuine concern for bias free analysis

[turbobloke]

Not Zero climate policy is lose-lose for consumers.

https://www.netzerowatch.com/to-activate-or-not-to...

[Kawasicki]

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

You can be a climate scientist and a climate activist at the same time…

https://www.fastcompany.com/90739998/meet-a-climat...

No worries about conflicts of interest there, bias free analysis guaranteed.

Like you have any genuine concern for bias free analysis

Irony off the scale.

[turbobloke]

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

You can be a climate scientist and a climate activist at the same time…

https://www.fastcompany.com/90739998/meet-a-climat...

No worries about conflicts of interest there, bias free analysis guaranteed.

Like you have any genuine concern for bias free analysis

Irony off the scale.

Which has saved others from pointing it out.

Meanwhile, the tribulations of Not Zero continue with global warnings.

Energy security is trumping climate concerns
Financial Times, 01 April 2023

Stirrings of Euro eco-rebellion
Spectator Australian, 01 April 2023

Net Zero is Dying a Slow Death
Editorial, The Wall Street Journal, 31 March 2023

Green suicide: UK businesses’ energy bills to more than double
The Daily Telegraph, 31 March 2023

Polish PM vows to fight 'pseudo-green' EU plan to ban petrol cars
The Daily Telegraph, 31 March 2023

Govt waters down EV sales targets, offers carmakers loopholes
Financial Times, 30 March 2023

Government 'green levies' onto electricity will cost households up to £13,000
Daily Mail, 30 March 2023

[deeps]

More on 'net zero', a few minutes from Jordan Peterson, so good to hear reality as opposed to mainstream PC BS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxl-XOsQIKI

[Carl_Manchester]

I don't know about Jordan Peterson being a good source of opinion (I can't even be bothered to click on the link) but the climate referendum vote that has taken place in Berlin seems fairly monumental.

news coverage seems fairly muted.

[turbobloke]

Carl_Manchester said:

I don't know about Jordan Peterson being a good source of opinion (I can't even be bothered to click on the link) but the climate referendum vote that has taken place in Berlin seems fairly monumental.

news coverage seems fairly muted.

Agreed. It's off-message for the new religion, so bound to be under-reported. Reuters has covered it.
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/berli...
Berliner Morgenpost coverage of 26 March was mentioned in the thread a couple of days later, but that wasn't UK MSM.

[Randy Winkman]

Which shows that net zero/climate change stuff isn't a vote winner. As I've previously suggested.

[turbobloke]

deeps said:

More on 'net zero', a few minutes from Jordan Peterson, so good to hear reality as opposed to mainstream PC BS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxl-XOsQIKI

A clear and timely comment that 2030 as a goal "preposterous beyond mention" and "pathological Net Zero sloganeering" as Biden's mob reportedly has an optimistic timescale of 240 years.

Under-reporting strikes again.

[turbobloke]

Randy Winkman said:

Which shows that net zero/climate change stuff isn't a vote winner. As I've previously suggested.

Not news, but politics...when do we get to vote out the UN interfering?

General defunding would be a good start.

[jameswills]

Carl_Manchester said:

I don't know about Jordan Peterson being a good source of opinion (I can't even be bothered to click on the link) but the climate referendum vote that has taken place in Berlin seems fairly monumental.

news coverage seems fairly muted.

I’m not sure you’ll find anyone else around with a more robust opinion than Jordan Peterson, he literally takes years to form his opinions and articulate his response. You might not agree with it, but it will be very well formed and well thought out, and definitely worth listening to.

[Ivan stewart]

Randy Winkman said:

Which shows that net zero/climate change stuff isn't a vote winner. As I've previously suggested.

Sadly for the climate change gravy train the cost of energy has caused the little boy and everyone else to see the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes !!
It is still a religion in pockets noticeably at the BBC and some of the other media , but it’s strongest in middle class lefty circles

[Kawasicki]

Randy Winkman said:

Which shows that net zero/climate change stuff isn't a vote winner. As I've previously suggested.

I think a realistic approach to achieving a more efficient, lower carbon emission economy could be a vote winner.

Whilst trying to frighten people into accepting anything is always going to create a lot of pushback, from a sizable portion of society.

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

Randy Winkman said:

Which shows that net zero/climate change stuff isn't a vote winner. As I've previously suggested.

Not news, but politics...when do we get to vote out the UN interfering?

General defunding would be a good start.

Stand for election - tell people how much better life could be - get voted into power - vote them out. Not instant, but surely someone can do it?

[Carl_Manchester]

The Parisians have voted overwhelmingly in favour of banning e-scooters.

[Dynion Araf Uchaf]

Carl_Manchester said:

The Parisians have voted overwhelmingly in favour of banning e-scooters.

I don't think that is climate related though.

[turbobloke]

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

Carl_Manchester said:

The Parisians have voted overwhelmingly in favour of banning e-scooters.

I don't think that is climate related though.

ISWYM, though on the other hand, nudges and worse on transport modes lie within the climate armoury. Pun intended.

[turbobloke]

News reports this morning suggest that King Charles is using wedding invitations for a greenwash nudge on transport modes. If so, it might be said it's his - and Camilla's - wedding so his / their choice, but as King now, others might say it's inappropriate.

Given another recent event:

Nigel Lawson and the birth of the GWPF
Net Zero Watch, 4 April 2023

WSJ: Nigel Lawson’s lesson for today’s pessimists
Editorial, The Wall Street Journal, 4 April 2023

Nigel Lawson, the sceptic hero of our times
The Conservative Woman, 4 April 2023

and

Nigel Lawson's last essay: Net Zero is a disastrous solution to a nonexistent problem
The Spectator, 6 November 2021

[ChevronB19]

Would there be any value in a poll as follows, if only to gauge the opinions of people who contribute to this thread, and to a lesser extent, this who read this thread?

Suggested question…

Anthropogenic climate change is real.

Suggested answers…

1) No

2) Yes

3) Yes, but it’s over exaggerated

4) any other options for answers (polite at least) welcome

Full disclosure - my academic background is in rapid climate change during the Eemian, and I believe anthropogenic climate change is real and a serious concern