Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)
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No Deej I meant in general.
Couldn't lie straight in bed - I'm fine with that.
Deceit - I'm fine with that.
Obfuscation - I'm fine with that.
Unlawful behaviour - I'm fine with that.
Partygate - Just some cake and fizz.
Pincher - Funny how many people lost their voices on that one.
Rayner - OMG she called people scum how dare she she should be nowhere near public office this is disgraceful!!!!
Couldn't lie straight in bed - I'm fine with that.
Deceit - I'm fine with that.
Obfuscation - I'm fine with that.
Unlawful behaviour - I'm fine with that.
Partygate - Just some cake and fizz.
Pincher - Funny how many people lost their voices on that one.
Rayner - OMG she called people scum how dare she she should be nowhere near public office this is disgraceful!!!!
silentbrown said:
I think it was specifically ministers, rather than MPs in general. Scum rises to the top, of course.
All I can say is, they seem to accept the rest of the comments.beeb said:
Last month Ms Rayner was reported to have called Conservative ministers "a bunch of scum" and described the prime minister as a "racist, homophobic misogynist".
DeejRC said:
It would be poor political management by the Opposition parties to push for a by election before the GE. The public will use the by election as the chance to punish/protest vote against the Tories, then switch back at the GE.
The much, much smarter play is push to leave him in situ, then use the anti-Boris factor at the GE to use the protest vote aspect to win the seat for the next 5 yrs.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks. You talk about the opposition parties, but I very much doubt Sunak fancies a by election, he’d have to come out in support of Boris and what fun that would be. I’d never write Boris off but at the moment Sunak has the upper hand. The much, much smarter play is push to leave him in situ, then use the anti-Boris factor at the GE to use the protest vote aspect to win the seat for the next 5 yrs.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: No Deej I meant in general.
Couldn't lie straight in bed - I'm fine with that.
Deceit - I'm fine with that.
Obfuscation - I'm fine with that.
Unlawful behaviour - I'm fine with that.
Partygate - Just some cake and fizz.
Pincher - Funny how many people lost their voices on that one.
Rayner - OMG she called people scum how dare she she should be nowhere near public office this is disgraceful!!!!
No Stewie. You said how funny it was ALL the apologists came out, etcCouldn't lie straight in bed - I'm fine with that.
Deceit - I'm fine with that.
Obfuscation - I'm fine with that.
Unlawful behaviour - I'm fine with that.
Partygate - Just some cake and fizz.
Pincher - Funny how many people lost their voices on that one.
Rayner - OMG she called people scum how dare she she should be nowhere near public office this is disgraceful!!!!
Except only Vanden said anything about Angela above. One person. The rest of us were discussing other stuff.
And Blue…Rishi doesn’t, or shouldn’t, care about any by election now. It’s pointless. There is a GE on the horizon, he has a large majority right not, so a by election isn’t going to change any executive math. From every strategic political angle, the Tories should LOVE any protest vote to get registered between now and the GE. That way it frees up the “silent majority” to do what they do and vote the way they do at the GE guilt free, as they feel their protest has been registered.
The risk to Rishi and the Tories with the above is the perception of just being losers now to the general public. That they have run out of any ability to win or lead and so are just a zombie administration waiting to be put out of their misery.
There are interesting risks for both parties.
DeejRC said:
No Stewie. You said how funny it was ALL the apologists came out, etc
Except only Vanden said anything about Angela above. One person. The rest of us were discussing other stuff.
And Blue…Rishi doesn’t, or shouldn’t, care about any by election now. It’s pointless. There is a GE on the horizon, he has a large majority right not, so a by election isn’t going to change any executive math. From every strategic political angle, the Tories should LOVE any protest vote to get registered between now and the GE. That way it frees up the “silent majority” to do what they do and vote the way they do at the GE guilt free, as they feel their protest has been registered.
The risk to Rishi and the Tories with the above is the perception of just being losers now to the general public. That they have run out of any ability to win or lead and so are just a zombie administration waiting to be put out of their misery.
There are interesting risks for both parties.
It's not the protest vote they are concerned with. It is trends. Before brexit, the tories struggled to gain a workable majority. I think brexit was a major factor, as was the tories' opposition leader, or rather the media's representation of him. Except only Vanden said anything about Angela above. One person. The rest of us were discussing other stuff.
And Blue…Rishi doesn’t, or shouldn’t, care about any by election now. It’s pointless. There is a GE on the horizon, he has a large majority right not, so a by election isn’t going to change any executive math. From every strategic political angle, the Tories should LOVE any protest vote to get registered between now and the GE. That way it frees up the “silent majority” to do what they do and vote the way they do at the GE guilt free, as they feel their protest has been registered.
The risk to Rishi and the Tories with the above is the perception of just being losers now to the general public. That they have run out of any ability to win or lead and so are just a zombie administration waiting to be put out of their misery.
There are interesting risks for both parties.
One problem with local politics is that the libdems are very effective. They work at changing factors that the electorate think important. I live in a safe tory seat. Benn blue every since its creation. The local elections followed the general. Or vice versa. The libdems gained a few seats in the last local election and have since not only worked hard to correct the failings of the tories, but to let everyone know what they are doing.
My constituency is one of their targets. Labour will not electioneer although will field a candidate. If the locals next month do show a major shift to the libdems, I can see them pushing very hard and gaining more financial assistance. The majority was a bit over 18k, 1.5k down on 2017. Labour were in second place in 2017, but third in 2019, with 11k votes. The libdems had nearly 8k in 2017 and well over 15k in 2019. The electorate is changing to an extent, with new housebuilding, more young couples moving in, and no more doctors, dentists, hospitals, etc. They'll want changes.
It's just one consistuency, but a safe tory seat. If the libdems can challenge the tories here (although I don't think it likely they will succeed in toppling our transparent incumbent) then they and labour can do so anywhere. I would assume the tories will throw money at it the next election, but they can't do it everywhere.
Interesting times. Johnson had it all but blew it. He's a dolt and needs to be abandoned. The tories don't want to expose internal divisions.
Blue62 said:
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks. You talk about the opposition parties, but I very much doubt Sunak fancies a by election, he’d have to come out in support of Boris and what fun that would be.
I disagree. There are ways of doing it. Sunak could say something like "Whilst I will always support the conservative candidate in an election, given the candidate in question has been found to have lied to parliament, I can well understand how angry the people of Uxbridge and South Ruislip must be so I would not be surprised if he were to lose. If we do lose the seat, it shows that we have to work hard before the next GE to rebuilt trust."Supporting Boris whilst throwing him under the bus. Sunak would gladly lose the seat to be rid of Johnson.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I disagree. There are ways of doing it. Sunak could say something like "Whilst I will always support the conservative candidate in an election, given the candidate in question has been found to have lied to parliament, I can well understand how angry the people of Uxbridge and South Ruislip must be so I would not be surprised if he were to lose. If we do lose the seat, it shows that we have to work hard before the next GE to rebuilt trust."
Supporting Boris whilst throwing him under the bus. Sunak would gladly lose the seat to be rid of Johnson.
Would love to see something like that said. It won’t be allowed to be, however. Supporting Boris whilst throwing him under the bus. Sunak would gladly lose the seat to be rid of Johnson.
vaud said:
monkfish1 said:
vaud said:
There are some really great Tory and Labour MPs.
There are? Please do enlighten us.Tobias Ellwood
To start with two from either side of the house. Common theme - ex military and possibly seeing politics as a service rather than a self-service.
You have some odd ideas.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I disagree. There are ways of doing it. Sunak could say something like "Whilst I will always support the conservative candidate in an election, given the candidate in question has been found to have lied to parliament, I can well understand how angry the people of Uxbridge and South Ruislip must be so I would not be surprised if he were to lose. If we do lose the seat, it shows that we have to work hard before the next GE to rebuilt trust."
Supporting Boris whilst throwing him under the bus. Sunak would gladly lose the seat to be rid of Johnson.
Equally plausible Twig, but if (and it’s a big if) the privileges committee concludes he misled parliament it will recommend a punishment, if that led to him being banned for 10 days it could trigger a by election in Uxbridge. I’m just saying that were it to happen, Sunak would have to decide whether and to what extent the party would throw it’s weight behind Boris. Supporting Boris whilst throwing him under the bus. Sunak would gladly lose the seat to be rid of Johnson.
As I understand an article on the BBC News website, there's another step involved on the way to a by-election. If BJ is found to have deliberately misled Parliament, there also has to a be a clear impact on Parliament as a result of the misleading information.
In Blair's case they voted for war!
In Johnson's case, he will have said that there were no parties at No.10 when in fact there were. There was no direct impact on the business of Parliament, unless I'm missing something.
In Blair's case they voted for war!
In Johnson's case, he will have said that there were no parties at No.10 when in fact there were. There was no direct impact on the business of Parliament, unless I'm missing something.
swisstoni said:
As I understand an article on the BBC News website, there's another step involved on the way to a by-election. If BJ is found to have deliberately misled Parliament, there also has to a be a clear impact on Parliament as a result of the misleading information.
In Blair's case they voted for war!
In Johnson's case, he will have said that there were no parties at No.10 when in fact there were. There was no direct impact on the business of Parliament, unless I'm missing something.
I think it would be pretty thin gruel if his sycophants tried to claim that even if he is found to have done it it doesn't matter because there was no clear impact on Parliament.In Blair's case they voted for war!
In Johnson's case, he will have said that there were no parties at No.10 when in fact there were. There was no direct impact on the business of Parliament, unless I'm missing something.
pquinn said:
vaud said:
monkfish1 said:
Tobias Elwood? Jesus, no.
You have some odd ideas.
Good as in, not self serving. Calling to a higher duty, etc.You have some odd ideas.
I think some people need to open their eyes.
swisstoni said:
As I understand an article on the BBC News website, there's another step involved on the way to a by-election. If BJ is found to have deliberately misled Parliament, there also has to a be a clear impact on Parliament as a result of the misleading information.
In Blair's case they voted for war!
In Johnson's case, he will have said that there were no parties at No.10 when in fact there were. There was no direct impact on the business of Parliament, unless I'm missing something.
I think if he was banned from parliament for 10 days it would trigger a vote of MP’s, I don’t believe a ‘clear impact’ is an issue, it’s subjective at best. That said, I’m no expert on the constitution. In Blair's case they voted for war!
In Johnson's case, he will have said that there were no parties at No.10 when in fact there were. There was no direct impact on the business of Parliament, unless I'm missing something.
Blue62 said:
swisstoni said:
As I understand an article on the BBC News website, there's another step involved on the way to a by-election. If BJ is found to have deliberately misled Parliament, there also has to a be a clear impact on Parliament as a result of the misleading information.
In Blair's case they voted for war!
In Johnson's case, he will have said that there were no parties at No.10 when in fact there were. There was no direct impact on the business of Parliament, unless I'm missing something.
I think if he was banned from parliament for 10 days it would trigger a vote of MP’s, I don’t believe a ‘clear impact’ is an issue, it’s subjective at best. That said, I’m no expert on the constitution. In Blair's case they voted for war!
In Johnson's case, he will have said that there were no parties at No.10 when in fact there were. There was no direct impact on the business of Parliament, unless I'm missing something.
“Firstly, the committee would have to decide that Mr Johnson had not only misled Parliament but also that what he said had an impact on its "proper functioning". This would mean it was a "contempt".
I personally can’t see how lying or not lying about No10 parties had any impact on the ‘proper functioning’ of parliament.
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