Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)
Discussion
stevensdrs said:
SpielBoy said:
blueg33 said:
And be supported by MP’s and some sad plonkers on here
Bottom line is that Johnson has always been amoral and a liar.He has never been fit to be prime minster - and that isnt a political party thing - it is the character of the man.
The people who elected him leader of the Conservative party knew this and they are complicit with him beimg prime minister.
My gut feeling is that the Conservative needs to be sent a message.
Vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Monster Raving Loony or whatever Party Farage has created by the time of the next election.
Vote for who ever fits your political views closest and that you feel comfortable with.
But mostly just send the Conservatives a message they will never forget.
One of the things about the Tory party is that it is self regulating with things like this. Sooner or later the 1922 postbag starts filling up.
All this crap about " Bet you're sorry you voted for Boris now Eh?!"....it's bks IMO
Do that many people really cast their vote on the basis of who will be PM? Or even who the local MP is?
It's all about who will form the government and the attached program for government on offer. Right now there is not, indeed never in my lifetime has their been, a credible alternative that wasn't an absolute fking liability in waiting.
MC Bodge said:
I wonder how many of the new northern Tory MPs will serve a second term?
If the parties sort out bullst, and they flip the right way - who knows. The new MPs aren't wedded to legacy sleaze and historic voter bks. Thank fk. The positive is, they don't owe patronage. They owe the voters.
MC Bodge said:
I wonder how many of the new northern Tory MPs will serve a second term?
Of the 58 seats that the Tories gained in 2019 (they also lost 10, seven of them to the SNP)...11 of them have a majority of less than 1,000.
In 20 of them the Brexit Party polled more votes than the winning margin.
37 of them need less than a 5% swing to lose them (19 only need 2%).
I am sure a lot of the new Tories like the one in the constituency I work in (Labour since 1974, Labour polled 58% in 2017, but was 68% Leave) are under no illusions as to what the probable outcome with no Brexit or Corbyn factors will be next time.
stevensdrs said:
SpielBoy said:
blueg33 said:
And be supported by MP’s and some sad plonkers on here
Bottom line is that Johnson has always been amoral and a liar.He has never been fit to be prime minster - and that isnt a political party thing - it is the character of the man.
The people who elected him leader of the Conservative party knew this and they are complicit with him beimg prime minister.
My gut feeling is that the Conservative needs to be sent a message.
Vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Monster Raving Loony or whatever Party Farage has created by the time of the next election.
Vote for who ever fits your political views closest and that you feel comfortable with.
But mostly just send the Conservatives a message they will never forget.
Irrespective of party allegiance, Johnson is unfit for office. Send his party a message. I don't care who replaces him, there is no worse option.
redrabbit said:
stevensdrs said:
SpielBoy said:
blueg33 said:
And be supported by MP’s and some sad plonkers on here
Bottom line is that Johnson has always been amoral and a liar.He has never been fit to be prime minster - and that isnt a political party thing - it is the character of the man.
The people who elected him leader of the Conservative party knew this and they are complicit with him beimg prime minister.
My gut feeling is that the Conservative needs to be sent a message.
Vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Monster Raving Loony or whatever Party Farage has created by the time of the next election.
Vote for who ever fits your political views closest and that you feel comfortable with.
But mostly just send the Conservatives a message they will never forget.
Irrespective of party allegiance, Johnson is unfit for office. Send his party a message. I don't care who replaces him, there is no worse option.
Whoever replaces him will not change the direction / agenda / program much, if at all.
If he goes soon enough he will not be a factor at the next general election - possibly not even in May at the local elections.
According to the papers the government now have two initiatives underway:
Operation Save Big Dog - identify scapegoats to take the blame for the culture of not giving a fk in Downing Street, have ministers rally round in the media telling us how bloody marvellous the PM is, and how without him Covid would have been so much worse.
Operation Red Meat - throw titbits of populist read meat to the red wall such as the BBC funding freeze announced on a Saturday evening, as you would…
New levels of cynicism now prevail in government.
Operation Save Big Dog - identify scapegoats to take the blame for the culture of not giving a fk in Downing Street, have ministers rally round in the media telling us how bloody marvellous the PM is, and how without him Covid would have been so much worse.
Operation Red Meat - throw titbits of populist read meat to the red wall such as the BBC funding freeze announced on a Saturday evening, as you would…
New levels of cynicism now prevail in government.
Wombat3 said:
Indeed. Place nose on chopping board, apply sharp knife.
One of the things about the Tory party is that it is self regulating with things like this. Sooner or later the 1922 postbag starts filling up.
All this crap about " Bet you're sorry you voted for Boris now Eh?!"....it's bks IMO
Do that many people really cast their vote on the basis of who will be PM? Or even who the local MP is?
It's all about who will form the government and the attached program for government on offer. Right now there is not, indeed never in my lifetime has their been, a credible alternative that wasn't an absolute fking liability in waiting.
Well, every cliche has an exception and the current lot have proved it is now, indeed, better the devil you don’t know than the one you do (too fking well).One of the things about the Tory party is that it is self regulating with things like this. Sooner or later the 1922 postbag starts filling up.
All this crap about " Bet you're sorry you voted for Boris now Eh?!"....it's bks IMO
Do that many people really cast their vote on the basis of who will be PM? Or even who the local MP is?
It's all about who will form the government and the attached program for government on offer. Right now there is not, indeed never in my lifetime has their been, a credible alternative that wasn't an absolute fking liability in waiting.
Jasandjules said:
Pistom said:
Hardly a defence but who would be any more worthy of the position?
What would the benefit be for the country?
I accidentally trod in a more viable candidate whilst walking the dogs today.What would the benefit be for the country?
It was a similar issue when Hancock went and look what we got.
I just don't see acway forward and whilst Johnson is in power at least the resistance against restrictions will continue to build.
shed driver said:
TDK-C60 said:
Anyone know how many have written to the 1922 committee yet? There were noises about that around May for ages but it seems much more subdued for Boris even though his crimes are arguably far worse.
I spoke to Christian Wakeford (Bury South) last night. He's put his letter in. The feeling among the new MPs is one of anger. I wouldn't be surprised if this weekend isn't a tipping point.SD.
He is my MP.
Sent him a email last week saying if he did not do that he would loose my vote.
JagLover said:
All the alternatives mentioned would have almost certainly have had lockdown measures in place for longer with the arguable exception of Reform. Perhaps the leaders of said parties would have told the civil servants and special advisors who work at Downing Street to never have a drink after work, or perhaps they would have let them get on with it also, it is a hypothetical situation so no-one can really say for sure.
So "worse" is more lockdown, though I am aware that many feel that is the reverse.
In an ideal world the Tories would appoint their new leader from among those who opposed Vaccine passports. At least those MPs were willing to make a stand and are worthy of being called Conservatives. That would be a clear example of "better".
Sadly what is likely to happen is that all such principled MPs will be dismissed as cranks and loons by the MSM and the new leader may even be more complicit.
This current business isn't about the lockdown, it's about the government breaking their own rules.So "worse" is more lockdown, though I am aware that many feel that is the reverse.
In an ideal world the Tories would appoint their new leader from among those who opposed Vaccine passports. At least those MPs were willing to make a stand and are worthy of being called Conservatives. That would be a clear example of "better".
Sadly what is likely to happen is that all such principled MPs will be dismissed as cranks and loons by the MSM and the new leader may even be more complicit.
Edited by JagLover on Sunday 16th January 06:58
They've intentionally created an environment using state propaganda and a tame media which encourages moral outrage against rule breakers, the non-mask wearers, the unvaccinated, people sitting too close to each other on park benches, people questioning the "science", etc., and it's come back to bite them.
anonymous said:
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Evidence threshold presumably, have you not seen the photo?! They may well not be done yet, once Sue Gray's done her work. Do we even know how many black or other ethnic minorities were at all the other "parties"?I'm not much of a fan of the police in 2022 but to leap to racism that quickly seems excessive and then some.
15peter20 said:
@TDK - BBC Claiming this morning that 34 letters have been received (Government source)
In my view if the party don’t deal with this situation now they will be seen to be complicit and inhibit any turnaround. The sooner new leadership is put in place, the better.
According to an interview I heard they need around 54 letters. I think the number has some variation related to the number of MP’s. They have 360 MP’sIn my view if the party don’t deal with this situation now they will be seen to be complicit and inhibit any turnaround. The sooner new leadership is put in place, the better.
anonymous said:
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The Met couldn't have handled this much worse if they'd tried and it is indeed telling that Stratton and Bailey are (so far) the only scapegoats though remember we have have Operation Save Big Dog drawing up a list of those who will be told to resign.Also worth remembering as well that the likes of Grant Shapps were quite happy to publicly brand what Shaun Bailey did as "disgraceful" whilst defending Johnson for what he did and telling people they should wait for the outcome of the inquiry.
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