CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
SWoll said:
Roman Rhodes said:
The only “political theatre” is the one you’re inventing. If you’re “sure” about these other exemptions then provide examples. It is hard to reconcile the fact that restrictions are due to end in April with your claim that the US government is looking “increasingly draconian and ridiculous”.
Only on PH can a multi-millionaire sports star having to abide by the same laws as everyone else be twisted into a conspiracy theory!
They're the only western nation still continuing with the restriction, against the advice of their own scientific experts, and having stuck with them for almost 12 months longer than the likes of Australia and New Zealand. They chose to extend the restriction in January to the surprise of everyone with zero reasoning given as to why. Only on PH can a multi-millionaire sports star having to abide by the same laws as everyone else be twisted into a conspiracy theory!
If it isn't political theater, then what is it exactly?
SWoll said:
No hurt feelings at all, I wear CT accusations from certain posters as a badge of pride at this point. 
They'd happily give someone an exclusion if it fitted their agenda, and I'm sure they have done exactly that many times over the past couple of years. In this case they aren't keen on the optics, therefore IMHO it's political theatre rather than slavishly following the rules and ensuring they are applied fairly.
Likewise, get called a CT, I know I’m on the right side of things. At least I’m able to make my own views up through the bullsThey'd happily give someone an exclusion if it fitted their agenda, and I'm sure they have done exactly that many times over the past couple of years. In this case they aren't keen on the optics, therefore IMHO it's political theatre rather than slavishly following the rules and ensuring they are applied fairly.
t. SWoll said:
The definition of what constitutes a conspiracy theory is getting broader and broader isn't it?
Used to be that suggesting the world was flat, the moon landings didn't happen or 9-11 was in inside job was the standard. Nowadays suggesting a government is concerned about optics and sticking to the narrative, or that a celebrities tweeting might be motivated by a £5m tax bill, is enough apparently.
How far we've come in such a short space to time..
The irony is the only conspiracy I see going on is the wanted need and will to give a drug to people that they don’t need so a few people can make money. Tell me I’m wrong. Used to be that suggesting the world was flat, the moon landings didn't happen or 9-11 was in inside job was the standard. Nowadays suggesting a government is concerned about optics and sticking to the narrative, or that a celebrities tweeting might be motivated by a £5m tax bill, is enough apparently.
How far we've come in such a short space to time..
Jasandjules said:
A shame Djokic can't get into the US Open, it would be nice to see an athlete put their hand on their chest and know it is not a heart issue..... (stolen from FB).
He'll likely be at at the US Open as doesn't start until August. It's the Miami open all the fuss is about.I did enjoy the joke though so apologies for the fact check.
alangla said:
Sturgeon’s chief clinical adviser seems to have changed his position a bit https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/19/cl...
“May have been a mistake”Daniel Hannan in the Telegraph
The Telegraph said:
The evidence is in. Lockdowns kill people – and the more you lock down, the more you kill
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/18/evidence-lockdowns-kill-people-lock-kill/Daniel Hannan said:
Are people ready to believe it? Are we prepared to admit that the disasters we are still experiencing – undiagnosed diseases, absenteeism, debt, lost education, price rises, mental health problems – were self-inflicted?
It seems not. We will go into the next crisis with the same skewed incentives. And all because, like so many Hancocks, we don’t want to “imply we’ve been getting it wrong”.
It seems not. We will go into the next crisis with the same skewed incentives. And all because, like so many Hancocks, we don’t want to “imply we’ve been getting it wrong”.
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
PurplePangolin said:
It is you that has called it a conspiracy theory - quelle surprise
Some of the more antagonistic posters bring ‘conspiracy theory’ into discussions because it provides them with a way of insulting people they don’t agree with without openly breaking forum rules. Whether the laws are good, bad or indifferent is irrelevant to this particular conversation
Djokovic is undeniably being made an example of, but not in the way you suggest.
The continuation of the vaccine entry restrictions in the USA is stupid, cruel and pointless. The public attention that Djokovic has received should be a catalyst in changing that, but it won’t be, because that would be politically ‘difficult’ for the Govt.
We can all see that keeping the rules in place is idiotic. The only reason the charade is being continued is politics.
Not conspiracy.
The conversation is about Djokovic and whether he has been treated fairly. You’re just expanding it include the wider issue of the rules because you want to argue against them. Sorry, but that is irrelevant.
Roman Rhodes said:
Perhaps you can elaborate (past “difficult’) why you think Senate and Biden won’t take up the bill passed by the House of Representatives and drop the restrictions after April 10? The public health emergency ends on May 11 so it doesn’t seem unreasonable to pass it.
it’s unreasonable that there are any restrictions at all at the point.Keep on being angry about it though.
SWoll said:
Roman Rhodes said:
You are portraying yourself as one of the hard of thinking. In two easy stages:
Opinion on the vaccine requirements for entry to the US = not (necessarily) a conspiracy theory.
Maintaining that Djokovic is being “made an example of” and “it’s about power and control” = conspiracy theory.
HTH
The definition of what constitutes a conspiracy theory is getting broader and broader isn't it?Opinion on the vaccine requirements for entry to the US = not (necessarily) a conspiracy theory.
Maintaining that Djokovic is being “made an example of” and “it’s about power and control” = conspiracy theory.
HTH
Used to be that suggesting the world was flat, the moon landings didn't happen or 9-11 was in inside job was the standard. Nowadays suggesting a government is concerned about optics and sticking to the narrative, or that a celebrities tweeting might be motivated by a £5m tax bill, is enough apparently.
How far we've come in such a short space to time..
Roman Rhodes said:
SWoll said:
Roman Rhodes said:
You are portraying yourself as one of the hard of thinking. In two easy stages:
Opinion on the vaccine requirements for entry to the US = not (necessarily) a conspiracy theory.
Maintaining that Djokovic is being “made an example of” and “it’s about power and control” = conspiracy theory.
HTH
The definition of what constitutes a conspiracy theory is getting broader and broader isn't it?Opinion on the vaccine requirements for entry to the US = not (necessarily) a conspiracy theory.
Maintaining that Djokovic is being “made an example of” and “it’s about power and control” = conspiracy theory.
HTH
Used to be that suggesting the world was flat, the moon landings didn't happen or 9-11 was in inside job was the standard. Nowadays suggesting a government is concerned about optics and sticking to the narrative, or that a celebrities tweeting might be motivated by a £5m tax bill, is enough apparently.
How far we've come in such a short space to time..
What’s with the “just asking questions” nonsense? - the same old “anti-CT” b
ks with absolutely no substance - so tedious.I'd forgotten about Kraken. Or rather, I didn't realise it had "taken over" (42% market share)
There's a new kid on the block, which I'd never heard of. Hyperion (14% share, but growing at 5% a day). So maybe MSM are finally unwinding, although Seventy will probably point me to a BBC news article that was released on a quiet Tuesday afternoon and got 6 clicks as empirical evidence of extensive MSM coverage
Show of hands, who's heard of Hyperion? And is there a list of names, I really want to know what the next one will be
Anyway it's important enough for Christina Pagel to retweet, along with other stuff about a 30% rise in infections and the ONS scaling back their covid surveillance
https://twitter.com/Mike_Honey_/status/16368689188...
And there's still some crazy people out there...
https://twitter.com/Saffiya_Khan1/status/163751323...
king up their mental health) 
Links to a Deepti thread: (of course...grifters gotta grift...)
https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/15670459636...
There's a new kid on the block, which I'd never heard of. Hyperion (14% share, but growing at 5% a day). So maybe MSM are finally unwinding, although Seventy will probably point me to a BBC news article that was released on a quiet Tuesday afternoon and got 6 clicks as empirical evidence of extensive MSM coverage
Show of hands, who's heard of Hyperion? And is there a list of names, I really want to know what the next one will be
Anyway it's important enough for Christina Pagel to retweet, along with other stuff about a 30% rise in infections and the ONS scaling back their covid surveillance
https://twitter.com/Mike_Honey_/status/16368689188...
And there's still some crazy people out there...
https://twitter.com/Saffiya_Khan1/status/163751323...
said:
Omicron isn’t mild in children. The evidence is in the thread.
One in five pupils in England were persistently absent in the past school year. Covid and other illnesses are the main reasons for the attendance drop.
If you tolerate this your children will be….disabled.
Other illnesses? You mean it's a consequence of locking down and lowering everyone's immune response? (And fOne in five pupils in England were persistently absent in the past school year. Covid and other illnesses are the main reasons for the attendance drop.
If you tolerate this your children will be….disabled.
king up their mental health) Links to a Deepti thread: (of course...grifters gotta grift...)
https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/15670459636...
PurplePangolin said:
We can’t have other people deciding what is and what isn’t a conspiracy theory, can we? That’s your job
What’s with the “just asking questions” nonsense? - the same old “anti-CT” bks with absolutely no substance - so tedious.
What I find funny about those who call everyone conspiracy theorists is when they launch into this fantasy that any opposition to their pet causes is surely driven by a cabal of Russian security agents, US far right groups and rogue billionaires who congregate on Tufton Street to spread misinformation that undermines their noble plans. Conspiracy Theorist's secret plan to take over the world.What’s with the “just asking questions” nonsense? - the same old “anti-CT” b
ks with absolutely no substance - so tedious.Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
PurplePangolin said:
It is you that has called it a conspiracy theory - quelle surprise
Some of the more antagonistic posters bring ‘conspiracy theory’ into discussions because it provides them with a way of insulting people they don’t agree with without openly breaking forum rules. Whether the laws are good, bad or indifferent is irrelevant to this particular conversation
Djokovic is undeniably being made an example of, but not in the way you suggest.
The continuation of the vaccine entry restrictions in the USA is stupid, cruel and pointless. The public attention that Djokovic has received should be a catalyst in changing that, but it won’t be, because that would be politically ‘difficult’ for the Govt.
We can all see that keeping the rules in place is idiotic. The only reason the charade is being continued is politics.
Not conspiracy.
The conversation is about Djokovic and whether he has been treated fairly. You’re just expanding it include the wider issue of the rules because you want to argue against them. Sorry, but that is irrelevant.
Roman Rhodes said:
Perhaps you can elaborate (past “difficult’) why you think Senate and Biden won’t take up the bill passed by the House of Representatives and drop the restrictions after April 10? The public health emergency ends on May 11 so it doesn’t seem unreasonable to pass it.
it’s unreasonable that there are any restrictions at all at the point.Keep on being angry about it though.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
king nothing about itGet some perspective.
Elysium said:
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
I love the dismissive #NoBiggie types telling us all that we don't understand things, and we are all swivel eyed tinfoil hatted loons who can't move on. The Djokovic situation is all about the optics of the situation - it has nothing to do with public health, it's all about being seen to do the 'right' thing. Can't be letting a filthy unvaxxed conspiracy theorist evade US government mandates for any reason. I'd be intrigued to know their justification, given that the magic serum doesn't prevent you contracting it nor passing it on.
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
As I said at the very beginning of this discussion, it is performative virtue signalling.
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