CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[RemarkLima]

Regarding propaganda done with good intentions...

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

[mko9]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

isaldiri said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think briefly in the 1990s we were in a pretty good place, where the collectivist ideologies of fascism and communism were defeated, religion was tamed and there was broad agreement on the idea of a mixed economy and a liberal society with a healthy will not to destroy the planet or suffocate ourselves.

You might be looking back in time with slightly rose tinted specs there I think......

Well that's what happens when you get old.

Though it's less about nostalgia for the 90s themselves and more about the missed opportunity.

There was certainly a brief moment in time there in the early 90s when it appeared the world was on a better path after the fall of the Soviet Union.

[Kawasicki]

I live in Germany. Good lord - the absolute hatred of the anti-vaxxers was palpable. It was honestly like they were sub-human.

[anonymous-user]

bodhi said:

Roman Rhodes said:

"mic drop" - really?! Should I now be accusing you of being a conspiracy theorist to keep you happy? Perhaps I should have just been a bit more blunt and suggested what you do with your misguided "hint".

Quite odd that the person making the claim of conspiracy hasn't commented but multiple others have got offended on his/her behalf and piled in. Oh well, keeps the thread going I suppose.

Yes that's the entire reason you're being called out - to keep the thread going. Nothing to do with the fact you keep sharing your word salad with us, but entirely to keep the thread going.

You got us I guess!

However it's incredibly interesting with your hatred of conspiracy theories, you seem quite quiet on the Campbell tweet I shared earlier - which I'm sure you would if you were engaging in good faith.

“Getting you” would hardly be a great achievement.

You’re quite wrong about having a “hatred of conspiracy theories”. Quite the opposite - this thread is a good source of mild amusement. I wouldn’t go as far as “incredibly interesting “ but there you are.

Enjoy your word salad. The chips are on your shoulders.

[cliffe_mafia]

johnboy1975 said:

Marcus Ball investigates...(old thread)

https://twitter.com/MarcusJBall/status/15338040699...

Only given 4 litres of oxygen per minute - minimum threshold for ICU is normally 15 litres.

https://twitter.com/MarcusJBall/status/15338042763...

Although no problem with them going "above and beyond" for our beloved PM. But, as the rest of his thread details, close to death he was not. Or was. If he was, he sure made a fast recovery, with no signs of breathing difficulty immediately after release and back to work via zoom the next day after his little holiday / brush with death.

Some people think he's a serial liar. The same people lapped it up that he was "close to death"

I'll let someone else administer the TL:dr

https://twitter.com/Magdadefiant/status/1638257026...

said:

No of course no. No one ever “nearly died” from Covid, but could leave hospital after 5 days without requiring ventilation. Utter nonsense and a cynical and wicked lie.]/quote]

But pinning a lie on a Johnson is quite tricky. As seen by a stellar defence in parliament today regarding misleading the house. He was very good. At times I almost believed him

Thanks Johnboy, I missed that at the time. Over cautious doctors and/or a publicity stunt.

[Dr Murdoch]

Roman Rhodes said:

“Getting you” would hardly be a great achievement.

You’re quite wrong about having a “hatred of conspiracy theories”. Quite the opposite - this thread is a good source of mild amusement. I wouldn’t go as far as “incredibly interesting “ but there you are.

Enjoy your word salad. The chips are on your shoulders.

RR, are you currently with a partner, wife, husband?

[cherryowen]

isaldiri said:

Article in the telegraph that I think makes a pretty accurate observation I think.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/22/nobody...

In particular this

""Public readiness to allow so many basic functions of life – worship, exercise, social interaction – to be dismissed as “non-essential” suggests an inability to bear ordinary risks once inseparable from existence; expectations of a level of “security” unthinkable to previous generations.

That - for me - nails one of the more insidious repercussions of the whole episode. It is almost as if, over the last few decades, Ben Franklin's, 'Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.' quote was crystallised as the pandemic wore on IMVHO.

[Elysium]

Roman Rhodes said:

Elysium said:

Roman Rhodes said:

I almost admire your dog with a bone like tenacity on this but your attempts to steer the point I’m making towards your hysterical obsession with what the US rules are, rather than the specific treatment of Djokovic, is rather tedious.

You have claimed Djokovic is “being made an example of”, he is being “punished”. The US cannot “give in to a high profile ‘anti-vaxxer’ like Djokovic”, “there is no logical reason to deny entry to Djokovic”, “he is being punished because the state does not want to lose face”. Sorry, but you have clearly made the assertion that he is being treated differently.

Unfortunately, as with your assertion that the ‘conspiracy theory’ only exists in my imagination, it seems you have to be continually reminded of the facts.

Carry on bleating about the US rules if it makes you feel better. I’ll stick with my opinion that the evidence-free claims as to why Djokovic isn’t playing tennis in the US are conspiracy theories.

I have never said or implied that Djokovic was being treated differently to other unvaccinated people.

I have no idea why you think otherwise.

Well, they say dogs are colour blind but I didn't know they thought black was white. Keep gnawing.

If you remember, this was addressed to you and I said it was a conspiracy theory:

grumbledoak said:

This isn't about virtue signalling, or blame, or the vaccine. It's about power and control. A famous person, he publicly refused to comply. Now he is being made an example of.

You then weighed in:

Elysium said:

PurplePangolin said:

It is you that has called it a conspiracy theory - quelle surprise

Some of the more antagonistic posters bring ‘conspiracy theory’ into discussions because it provides them with a way of insulting people they don’t agree with without openly breaking forum rules.

So, not only did you disagree that the original claim was a conspiracy theory you've continued to portray Djokovic as a specific martyr to the US rules.

You can keep wriggling but words have meanings and yours are there for all to see.

I refer you to my earlier remark.

[RSTurboPaul]

Kawasicki said:

I live in Germany. Good lord - the absolute hatred of the anti-vaxxers was palpable. It was honestly like they were sub-human.

I was considering posting a comment... but then I remembered that highlighting potential similarities to some events of the past in this thread are considered controversial and/or unacceptable by some.

[b0rk]

Vanden Saab said:

Did anyone notice what Rishi said at todays PMQs?
I thought I was hearing things but he said that if someone had been injured as a result of the vaccine they could take the manufacturer to court for damages...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=833qCRqNJMI
from 32:40...

The government responded to a poll on “removing” covid vaccine indemnity back in Jan, which outlines the governments position on what is and isn’t covered by said indemnity that may (or may not) be in place.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619190?re...

HMG said:

In general, indemnities given to manufacturers do not prevent individuals from pursuing a legal claim against a manufacturer for compensation.

…

In August 2021, amendments to the Human Medicines Regulations 2012 were made to support the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines. Although the legislation provides partial immunity from civil liability for vaccines supplied under emergency authorisation, it preserves individuals’ right to sue the producers of the vaccine under Part 1 of the Consumer Protection Act 1987. This provides an important level of protection if the safety of the product is not such as people are generally entitled to expect, taking all circumstances into account, and if that defect causes personal injury.

[JagLover]

cliffe_mafia said:

johnboy1975 said:

Marcus Ball investigates...(old thread)

https://twitter.com/MarcusJBall/status/15338040699...

Only given 4 litres of oxygen per minute - minimum threshold for ICU is normally 15 litres.

https://twitter.com/MarcusJBall/status/15338042763...

Although no problem with them going "above and beyond" for our beloved PM. But, as the rest of his thread details, close to death he was not. Or was. If he was, he sure made a fast recovery, with no signs of breathing difficulty immediately after release and back to work via zoom the next day after his little holiday / brush with death.

Some people think he's a serial liar. The same people lapped it up that he was "close to death"

I'll let someone else administer the TL:dr

https://twitter.com/Magdadefiant/status/1638257026...

No of course no. No one ever “nearly died” from Covid, but could leave hospital after 5 days without requiring ventilation. Utter nonsense and a cynical and wicked lie.
But pinning a lie on a Johnson is quite tricky. As seen by a stellar defence in parliament today regarding misleading the house. He was very good. At times I almost believed him

Thanks Johnboy, I missed that at the time. Over cautious doctors and/or a publicity stunt.

Most likely it was doctors being cautious, he was the PM after all. If you at the stage where Covid is causing breathing difficulties then it is no fun and you are seriously ill, as I should know, but not really at death's door. If it is Joe Bloggs they recover at home if the PM then they might well be in hospital. Just to clarify though that the doctor I spoke to when I was ill thought I should go into hospital with my symptoms to at least have further tests.

[Biker 1]

Dr Murdoch said:

RR, are you currently with a partner, wife, husband?

I was wondering about this also - I don't know anybody who goes online for so many hours.

[SWoll]

RSTurboPaul said:

Kawasicki said:

I live in Germany. Good lord - the absolute hatred of the anti-vaxxers was palpable. It was honestly like they were sub-human.

I was considering posting a comment... but then I remembered that highlighting potential similarities to some events of the past in this thread are considered controversial and/or unacceptable by some.

Indeed, and I seem to recall Austria being even worse?

Not that I'm suggesting for a minute there are any historic similarities to be drawn of course.

[J210]

What I find shocking is there is a ton of people who don’t believe that the vaccine have caused any side effects and people who have died/been injured are the tin foil nutters.

[Jasandjules]

J210 said:

What I find shocking is there is a ton of people who don’t believe that the vaccine have caused any side effects and people who have died/been injured are the tin foil nutters.

Because to accept it is to accept just how damn stupid they were.

I would certainly love to know whether a post I saw a few weeks ago about athlete deaths in 30 odd years compared to 2020-2021 is true. If so, scary as hell.

[Seventy]

Biker 1 said:

I was wondering about this also - I don't know anybody who goes online for so many hours.

A mirror may come in handy!

Biker1 64 posts per month
Roman Rhodes 59ppm

Just for balance, you understand.

In other news I’ve booked to go to the US in July. Hopefully restrictions are over by then.

[KAgantua]

Biker 1 said:

Dr Murdoch said:

RR, are you currently with a partner, wife, husband?

I was wondering about this also - I don't know anybody who goes online for so many hours.

[Biker 1]

Seventy said:

In other news I’ve booked to go to the US in July. Hopefully restrictions are over by then.

Good luck on that one - I hope you are correct....

[M1AGM]

KAgantua said:

That is flattering, I see them more like the Victor Meldrew type of character.

[SWoll]

Seventy said:

A mirror may come in handy!

Biker1 64 posts per month
Roman Rhodes 59ppm

Just for balance, you understand.

In other news I’ve booked to go to the US in July. Hopefully restrictions are over by then.

Who knows, it's made no sense for them to extend it thus far so will all depend on what they consider to be politically expedient rather than logical.

To add further balance to your other comment I would point out that Biker1's posting is on a fairly varied mix of threads, whereas RR seems to focus almost solely on calling people conspiracy theorists (75% of his post count in the last 30 days).