Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

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FourWheelDrift

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88,381 posts

283 months

mikebradford

2,483 posts

144 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Pupp

12,206 posts

271 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Putin’s a twunt

Am I doing this right?

Scabutz

7,482 posts

79 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Pupp said:
Putin’s a twunt

Am I doing this right?
You're on the list now.

Novichok for you

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Pupp said:
Putin’s a twunt

Am I doing this right?
You’re too kind

faa77

1,728 posts

70 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Damn, I can't edit my typos in the previous thread

faa77

1,728 posts

70 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Pupp said:
Putin’s a twunt

Am I doing this right?
Looting Poo-tin

king arthur

6,538 posts

260 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Dingu said:
f the kinds of things such as giving Ukraine aid, sanctioning Russia and condemning them pushes it to nuclear then it is inevitable anyway. It’s just a matter of when the line in the sand is drawn.
I'm saying those things won't be enough to stop the atrocities I fear we may be about to see.

HM-2

12,467 posts

168 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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6pi said:
Derek Smith said:
It's similar in some ways. The USA did not want a missile base in Cuba, any more than Putin wants NATO bases in Ukraine. It was possible that the USA would invade Cuba to destroy the sites.

It was reported, after the event, that it came close to war. I see no reason to disbelieve that.
By installing missiles in Cuba, the USSR threatened directly the US at a time were ICBMs weren't a thing yet, thus breaking the balance between the two superpowers.

NATO bases in Ukraine would be more of an inconvenience (makes it a bit more difficult to invade your neighbour) rather than a real threat to Russia (it's a defensive alliance, democracies are not very likely to start a war for no reason and Russia has a few nukes anyway).

So I'd say for now this is not as bad.
It's nowhere near comparable.

Unlike Russia, NATO has almost no nuclear weapons deployed to Eastern Europe. They've got a handful of B61s in Turkey and the Netherlands. That's pretty much it by way of tactical weapons. Russia has nuclear armed ballistic missiles in Kaliningrad, plus is about to deploy more to Belarus.

The age of land launched missiles being relevant has passed anyway. Submarines posted who knows where are a vastly better deterrent than easy to spot land based missiles. In the West we don't really have many tactical nuclear weapons because we acknowledge any exchange will go strategic immediately. Why bother?

MiseryStreak

2,929 posts

206 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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I wonder how many volumes this will run to? Quite a few I imagine.

rigga

8,727 posts

200 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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So Russia has the GDP of Italy and a hugely corrupt system siphoning off billions, yet apparently they have a massive and well equipped military?
A military they have decided to use with one hand behind their back? Why?

joshcowin

6,775 posts

175 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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MiseryStreak said:
I wonder how many volumes this will run to? Quite a few I imagine.
Unfortunately I think you will be right! I really really hope it stops ASAP however

Charlie1986

2,016 posts

134 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Apparently from Twitter there is no agreement in the talks

👉 According to the available information, we do not believe that there will be a positive result of the negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. Signals indicate that Russian forces are preparing operations to encircle major urban centers, including Kyiv.

From here https://twitter.com/remilitari?s=11

ruggedscotty

5,606 posts

208 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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MiseryStreak said:
I wonder how many volumes this will run to? Quite a few I imagine.
in for the long haul here....

be quite a few volumes... of course... hope that the big red button isnt pushed or there wont be many volumes

J210

4,503 posts

182 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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All Mobile operators in Ukraine have banned Russian calls from Russian sims inside Ukraine

littlebasher

3,767 posts

170 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Can't help thinking that backing Putin into a corner is not going to end well.

Whole situation starting to unnerve me now, hopefully someone will come up with a means to de-escalate the situation before Putin and our leaders sleepwalk us into a war.

bloomen

6,854 posts

158 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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This is quite eerily prescient so far from Alexander Nevzorov, a journo, saint and former Russian MP, from last April - https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3qlxu/a...

The translation seems to broadly match the Youtube auto translation.

xu5

618 posts

156 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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What of Ukrainians application to EU? Surely the EU would be mad not to want easy trade with Ukrainians resources? Or would they not want the 'agro'?

P. ONeill

1,455 posts

51 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Luckily Ukraine is not a third world country, if it wasn't it could be ignored like Syria, Afghanistan, Palestine, Yemen etc.
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