Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

[LM240]

A highly prized military target of a shopping centre.

What a cowardly abysmal country russia is demonstrating itself to be.

I still think ploughing assets into the country is probably the best thing to do in the circumstances, but do also wish everything was unleashed on them and see just how fast russians on Ukraine soil could be obliterated.

Hopefully Ukraine prevails and russia as a whole suffers for many years.

[off_again]

Flanders. said:

vonuber said:

NATO to increase NATO Response Forces to 300k from 40k:

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-to-significantly-i...

That's a sure fire way of stopping Putin trying anything in eastern Europe...hopefully.

There has been a lot of huff and bluster from the Russians about Europe as a whole, but I just cannot see them kicking the hornets nest over. Given they have fundamentally screwed up the planning in advance of the invasion of Ukraine, I dont see that they will even attempt to do anything in the Baltics, Eastern Europe or anywhere else.

Though it is funny to see the increase - a 100% or even 200% increase makes an interesting headline. But jumping to 300k? Yikes. With something like 170,000 committed in Ukraine and an estimated 145,000 injured or killed also - that puts a massive hole in the personal side. 300k counters that rather nicely. Its almost as if that number was selected because it specifically addresses the known commitments and losses in Ukraine?

[faa77]

I hope this war causes the Government to increase the size of the Royal Navy. It's criminal how small they have cut it down to.

[faa77]

Does Ukraine now have the long-range weapons to strike Russian bases deep within Russia and cause real damage?

[rxe]

faa77 said:

Does Ukraine now have the long-range weapons to strike Russian bases deep within Russia and cause real damage?

No more than it did before in terms of range.

They already had Tochka-u missiles, big warhead, with a range of 70 - 120km depending on version. I think they had about 20 launchers and a few hundred missiles.

They now have HIMARS, with M31 rockets, much more accurate, smaller warhead, similar range of 70km, maybe more.

So no, they can’t reach into Russia, and the US have obtained guarantees that they won’t do so with HIMARS. The decent HIMARS rockets (which haven’t been transferred …yet) can almost reach Moscow.

[hidetheelephants]

off_again said:

Flanders. said:

vonuber said:

NATO to increase NATO Response Forces to 300k from 40k:

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-to-significantly-i...

That's a sure fire way of stopping Putin trying anything in eastern Europe...hopefully.

There has been a lot of huff and bluster from the Russians about Europe as a whole, but I just cannot see them kicking the hornets nest over. Given they have fundamentally screwed up the planning in advance of the invasion of Ukraine, I dont see that they will even attempt to do anything in the Baltics, Eastern Europe or anywhere else.

Though it is funny to see the increase - a 100% or even 200% increase makes an interesting headline. But jumping to 300k? Yikes. With something like 170,000 committed in Ukraine and an estimated 145,000 injured or killed also - that puts a massive hole in the personal side. 300k counters that rather nicely. Its almost as if that number was selected because it specifically addresses the known commitments and losses in Ukraine?

I question how 'responsive' this quarter of a million squaddies is going to be, it looks a lot like a paper exercise with the 'rapid' bit staying the same or growing slightly, although given it's already deployed in eastern europe its 'rapid' qualities are moot.

[MYOB]

hidetheelephants said:

off_again said:

Flanders. said:

vonuber said:

NATO to increase NATO Response Forces to 300k from 40k:

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-to-significantly-i...

That's a sure fire way of stopping Putin trying anything in eastern Europe...hopefully.

There has been a lot of huff and bluster from the Russians about Europe as a whole, but I just cannot see them kicking the hornets nest over. Given they have fundamentally screwed up the planning in advance of the invasion of Ukraine, I dont see that they will even attempt to do anything in the Baltics, Eastern Europe or anywhere else.

Though it is funny to see the increase - a 100% or even 200% increase makes an interesting headline. But jumping to 300k? Yikes. With something like 170,000 committed in Ukraine and an estimated 145,000 injured or killed also - that puts a massive hole in the personal side. 300k counters that rather nicely. Its almost as if that number was selected because it specifically addresses the known commitments and losses in Ukraine?

I question how 'responsive' this quarter of a million squaddies is going to be, it looks a lot like a paper exercise with the 'rapid' bit staying the same or growing slightly, although given it's already deployed in eastern europe its 'rapid' qualities are moot.

I suspect it’s posturing and sending a message to putin rather than being on a war footing.

[off_again]

MYOB said:

hidetheelephants said:

off_again said:

Flanders. said:

vonuber said:

NATO to increase NATO Response Forces to 300k from 40k:

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-to-significantly-i...

That's a sure fire way of stopping Putin trying anything in eastern Europe...hopefully.

There has been a lot of huff and bluster from the Russians about Europe as a whole, but I just cannot see them kicking the hornets nest over. Given they have fundamentally screwed up the planning in advance of the invasion of Ukraine, I dont see that they will even attempt to do anything in the Baltics, Eastern Europe or anywhere else.

Though it is funny to see the increase - a 100% or even 200% increase makes an interesting headline. But jumping to 300k? Yikes. With something like 170,000 committed in Ukraine and an estimated 145,000 injured or killed also - that puts a massive hole in the personal side. 300k counters that rather nicely. Its almost as if that number was selected because it specifically addresses the known commitments and losses in Ukraine?

I question how 'responsive' this quarter of a million squaddies is going to be, it looks a lot like a paper exercise with the 'rapid' bit staying the same or growing slightly, although given it's already deployed in eastern europe its 'rapid' qualities are moot.

I suspect it’s posturing and sending a message to putin rather than being on a war footing.

Completely. But then again, Putin and his cronies have been threatening pretty much all of Eastern, Central and Western Europe with Armageddon anyway, so what’s a bit of posturing and readying of the troops?

[Byker28i]

Have we had this, BBC reporting on Russia stealing Ukraine grain, tracking it's movements

They take grain to the annexed Crimea first…Transfer Ukrainian grain to bulk carriers, where it is mixed with grain from Russia and then exported with Russian certificates, saying it's Russian grain. Ships have then headed on to Syria or Turkey.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61790625

[sisu]

MOTORVATOR said:

UNSC emergency meeting tomorrow which should be interesting.

Direct questions will be asked of Russia no doubt and usual bluster will follow but unsure how they can possibly answer this one to the satisfaction of the international community?

The Russians are stating that Ukraine bombed itself at the shopping mall and like Buscha this is these sneaky Nazis looking to blame Russia.
The plane took off from Kugla SW of Moscow that was the one carrying the missiles. They stated that this is fake news.

Expect more indiscriminate attacks to cities as Russia looks to flex that they weren't invited to the G7 party and to show Kiev that even though they are hitting their ammo in Donbas they can do this from well within its borders.

Russia's problem at the moment is that by doing this they are going to be offering the door to more fighter planes and anti aircraft systems under the auspices of defence. Russia also has a very vibrant internal sabotage network going on within its borders.
All the things catching on fire, the trains coming off the rails. Putins plane having its radio nicked and blaming the weather. This is harder to explain within Russia than a war on TV.
Also these are harder to Police as they can't just arrest all the non slavic people.

[PRTVR]

Video of mine clearing on the coast from a few weeks ago, the Ukrainians must feel confident that a attack from the sea is less of a possibility now.

[saaby93]

PRTVR said:

Video of mine clearing on the coast from a few weeks ago, the Ukrainians must feel confident that a attack from the sea is less of a possibility now.

How or when did they plant all those

[BikeBikeBIke]

off_again said:

There has been a lot of huff and bluster from the Russians about Europe as a whole, but I just cannot see them kicking the hornets nest over. Given they have fundamentally screwed up the planning in advance of the invasion of Ukraine, I dont see that they will even attempt to do anything in the Baltics, Eastern Europe or anywhere else.

Plenty of people saying that about Ukraine on 20th Feb.

There's a chance Putin's got a "Hung for a sheep as well as a lamb" thing going on. Best not to chance it.

[Register1]

PRTVR said:

Video of mine clearing on the coast from a few weeks ago, the Ukrainians must feel confident that a attack from the sea is less of a possibility now.

So the crew in there are safe?
Is it just a big wheel of chains flinging around, hitting the ground a few meters in front?
Does Not cause any damage to the machine, or the chain thing spinning around ?

[PRTVR]

Register1 said:

PRTVR said:

Video of mine clearing on the coast from a few weeks ago, the Ukrainians must feel confident that a attack from the sea is less of a possibility now.

So the crew in there are safe?
Is it just a big wheel of chains flinging around, hitting the ground a few meters in front?
Does Not cause any damage to the machine, or the chain thing spinning around ?

it is remote controlled or can have a operator on board.
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/minewolf/

[NRS]

MOTORVATOR said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

MOTORVATOR said:

This is quite amusing.

https://tass.com/world/1471633

So not having achieved the response they wanted of UK engaging with an unrecognised organisation they now state they will remove capital punishment only if they get to join Russia because they would have to by default or something. Think she's worked out she would be one of the first up for a war crime investigation?

Lol, priceless. "The laws we want are stupid so we'll have to join Russia so, after they destroy our cities and slaughter us, they can make us have less stupid laws to the ones we choose to have."

Just insane.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 27th June 12:57

They're in good company. Quick make some new laws up so we don't have to pay for any of that destruction either.

https://tass.com/politics/1471799

I know others were saying it might not be right to take frozen Russian money to help Ukraine, but I think that's a pretty clear green light to do so.

[Cobnapint]

Flanders. said:

That's a sure fire way of stopping Putin trying anything in eastern Europe...hopefully.

He's struggling with Eastern Ukraine. He'll be dead long before Russia's military is up to sniffing around Eastern Europe.

The Chinese must be loving this show. They're watching Russia's economy go to the wall while it's army is pummeled with billions of dollars worth of western funded military equipment.
They're just paying the rope out.

[Solocle]

faa77 said:

I hope this war causes the Government to increase the size of the Royal Navy. It's criminal how small they have cut it down to.

To be fair the Royal Navy is probably more than a match for the Russian Soviet relic navy. If Russia tried to move against us, combined with the RAF, they'd be dead meat.

Now, could the Royal Navy go to Russia and sink their fleets? Probably not, again, the home field advantage, AA batteries would basically neutralise our carriers, and reduce it to an artillery slogging match. Oh, and subs.

[arguti]

Interesting tweets re the russian re-supply of Snake Island.

https://twitter.com/Cyx_5/status/15415659306098114...

[CrutyRammers]

PRTVR said:

Video of mine clearing on the coast from a few weeks ago, the Ukrainians must feel confident that a attack from the sea is less of a possibility now.

Wow. That's a lotta mines.