UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

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Vanden Saab

13,891 posts

73 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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grumbledoak said:
What a ridiculous idea. Creating new not-concentration-camps-really in the third world.

If we are to intercept boat traffic across the Channel, we should put them on the Isle of Wight. I bet that doesn't happen either.
Concentration camps??? what are you on about, They will be safe and free from the threat of war or persecution so they will be bailed and allowed to live and earn a living in Rwanda until their case is settled. smile

menousername

2,106 posts

141 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Wonder if this be acceptable for Ukrainian refugees also

I am in no way championing the current situation but it is entirely possible / probable that a significant portion of those arriving are fleeing some kind of war, instability or persecution


Mrr T

12,152 posts

264 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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JagLover said:
Not that ridiculous as third country processing is the Australian solution that many have called for the last three years or so, while the government was busy with empty gestures, such as blustering they will send in the navy or the like.

They have at last realised that this is the only solution consistent with remaining within the UNHCR. Interestingly enough if you believe Cummings it was also the solution being discussed at the highest levels nearly two years ago but Bojo was putting a stop to it then.

It has been very successful for Australia in deterring migration by boat.
It has also meant Australia has become a country which practices detention without trial. Not something Australia should be proud of.

S600BSB

4,270 posts

105 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Appalling and stupid idea. Just what you would expect from this bunch of idiots.

TriumphStag3.0V8

3,792 posts

80 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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menousername said:
Wonder if this be acceptable for Ukrainian refugees also

I am in no way championing the current situation but it is entirely possible / probable that a significant portion of those arriving are fleeing some kind of war, instability or persecution
There is a lot of that going on in France.

pquinn

7,167 posts

45 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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menousername said:
Wonder if this be acceptable for Ukrainian refugees also

I am in no way championing the current situation but it is entirely possible / probable that a significant portion of those arriving are fleeing some kind of war, instability or persecution
You might have noticed the Ukrainians are getting paperwork and approval first, not turning up in dingies?

Four Litre

2,013 posts

191 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Pit Pony said:
I don't know what to say.

Why are we treating people so badly ?
Why is it treating people badly. Genuine people fleeing a war zone will be put somewhere nice with no war. We cant afford to put the world up in hotels indefinitely.

Rwanda also has a much better climate that the UK. What's not to like?

People not fleeing a warzone will be put off from taking he piss.

Biggy Stardust

6,796 posts

43 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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menousername said:
Wonder if this be acceptable for Ukrainian refugees also

I am in no way championing the current situation but it is entirely possible / probable that a significant portion of those arriving are fleeing some kind of war, instability or persecution
They can decide for themselves whether Rwanda is preferable to home. I anticipate that many will opt to stay in France, which has relatively low levels of war, instability or persecution.

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Four Litre said:
Pit Pony said:
I don't know what to say.

Why are we treating people so badly ?
Why is it treating people badly. Genuine people fleeing a war zone will be put somewhere nice with no war. We cant afford to put the world up in hotels indefinitely.

Rwanda also has a much better climate that the UK. What's not to like?

People not fleeing a warzone will be put off from taking he piss.
Much as it is unpalatable to some. The government has four options

1) Do nothing but make lots of noise about how they are tackling it (this is what they have done so far and it is still to be proved that this is not still the stage they are at).
2) Break the various conventions concerned (this is effectively what Greece is doing once they got fed up with the number of arrivals and they have been towing back boats into Turkish waters, including people who have landed on Greece).
3. Withdraw from the UN convention on refugees (imagine the shrill shrieking).
4. Work within the law to deter illegal migration by boat.

Option 4 is probably the option most of their voters would be most happy with, but it easier said than done due to the nature of the illegal migration. Stopping migration by land is relatively easily, you build a bloody great wall. All of the eastern frontiers of the EU are being fortified in this manner and the process isn't far off being completed. Boat migration creates the issue of rescue at sea and also whether boats can be returned to the country from which they just set off. That is why there are no easy answers and why the focus has almost inevitably ended up on third country processing. The open borders crowd will hate it, but even some of them might concede that there needs to be some sort of plan once migrant arrivals reach 1K a day on a regular basis.

Edited by JagLover on Thursday 14th April 10:38

Ivan stewart

2,792 posts

35 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Had time to think about this ,
Looks good but our home sec does seem to be good at making a lot of noise and no action ,so we will see
The lefty lot seem upset so it’s obviously a good idea..

JeffreyD

6,155 posts

39 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Biggy Stardust said:
menousername said:
Wonder if this be acceptable for Ukrainian refugees also

I am in no way championing the current situation but it is entirely possible / probable that a significant portion of those arriving are fleeing some kind of war, instability or persecution
They can decide for themselves whether Rwanda is preferable to home. I anticipate that many will opt to stay in France, which has relatively low levels of war, instability or persecution.
Isn't the deal just outsourcing the processing of the applications and the housing in the meantime?

At vast expense.

a few years ago we had an issue with Squirrels so we shot a few and made "kentucky fried squirrel" - it was ok but not worth the amount of effort involved to skin and gut a squirrel.



grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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JeffreyD said:
Isn't the deal just outsourcing the processing of the applications and the housing in the meantime?

At vast expense.

a few years ago we had an issue with Squirrels so we shot a few and made "kentucky fried squirrel" - it was ok but not worth the amount of effort involved to skin and gut a squirrel.
There is probably more meat on a Ukranian.

Paddymcc

929 posts

190 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Rumour has it Boris was watching Match of the day and hit pause on the Telly because he received a Whatsapp saying he need to do something to change the narrative.


Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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frisbee said:
Pit Pony said:
I don't know what to say.

Why are we treating people so badly ?
It’s a vote winner!

It’ll be a colossal waste of money.
This, this and this.

I was wondering what story would be used to deflect from Partygate when it kicked off again.

However it's a 100% votewinner for a lot of Tories so win-win for BoJo (regardless of it being a colossal and ineffective waste of public money)

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Vanden Saab said:
grumbledoak said:
What a ridiculous idea. Creating new not-concentration-camps-really in the third world.

If we are to intercept boat traffic across the Channel, we should put them on the Isle of Wight. I bet that doesn't happen either.
Concentration camps??? what are you on about, They will be safe and free from the threat of war or persecution so they will be bailed and allowed to live and earn a living in Rwanda until their case is settled. smile
Yes. Rwanda is world-famous for being free of war and persecution.

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Countdown said:
Yes. Rwanda is world-famous for being free of war and persecution.
Rwanda is one of Africa's success stories in terms of economic growth and decent governance. It isn't a true democracy of course but the Tutsi minority are rather worried about what might happen if it were.

Think GDP was growing at around 7% a year for a decade before the pandemic came along.


frisbee

4,957 posts

109 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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£120 million, up to 500 people a year, £250k each.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Wouldn't the £120m be better spent on speeding up processing of applications here, so asylum seekers didn't have to be kept in hotels for many, many months?

JeffreyD

6,155 posts

39 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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frisbee said:
£120 million, up to 500 people a year, £250k each.
500?

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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JeffreyD said:
frisbee said:
£120 million, up to 500 people a year, £250k each.
500?
Distraction for the press hehe

The big announcement is a trial scheme apparently. Think Bojo will need to do rather better than that to save his miserable skin.