Roe v Wade Being Repealed

[MC Bodge]

I've never understood why so many religious people (who worship one or more omnipotent deities) are so concerned about what other people with their own (god-given?) free will do with their genitalia, reproductive organs or life.

Ps. Why does god need to auto-correct to capital G?

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd May 18:19

[kowalski655]

hidetheelephants said:

SCOTUS, putting the fun mental back in religious fundamentalist.

FTFY
Coming soon from SCOTUS; an end to LGBTQ rights, inc. marriage, & mixed race marriage, no more ACA or welfare, with added segregation thrown in

[gregs656]

kowalski655 said:

FTFY
Coming soon from SCOTUS; an end to LGBTQ rights, inc. marriage, & mixed race marriage, no more ACA or welfare, with added segregation thrown in

They are also going after the rights granted to native americans.

[MC Bodge]

kowalski655 said:

FTFY
Coming soon from SCOTUS; an end to LGBTQ rights, inc. marriage, & mixed race marriage, no more ACA or welfare, with added segregation thrown in

... And more guns?

[hidetheelephants]

Donbot said:

JagLover said:

Donbot said:

As medical interventions become more advanced, the time of termination should reduce by that metric. We slowly move towards anti-abortionism.

Not really as close to 95% of abortions are carried out by the time the foetus is 12 weeks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-...

Late term abortions are tiny as a percentage of the total.

Why should termination happen at or before 12 weeks. That baby would grow in a lab.

I'm playing devil's advocate here but there is merit in the pro life argument. People in the US have access to family planning, and who has the right to terminate and at what time is always going to be changing.

That's rather a problem as in many places there is no access, as the venn diagram of people who are against abortion and people who are against birth control is quite coincident.

[Donbot]

MC Bodge said:

I've never understood why so many religious people (who worship one or more omnipotent deities) are so concerned about what other people with their own (god-given?) free will do with their genitalia, reproductive organs or life.

Ps. Why does god need to auto-correct to capital G?

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd May 18:19

Abortion isn't god's will.

[Donbot]

hidetheelephants said:

Donbot said:

JagLover said:

Donbot said:

As medical interventions become more advanced, the time of termination should reduce by that metric. We slowly move towards anti-abortionism.

Not really as close to 95% of abortions are carried out by the time the foetus is 12 weeks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-...

Late term abortions are tiny as a percentage of the total.

Why should termination happen at or before 12 weeks. That baby would grow in a lab.

I'm playing devil's advocate here but there is merit in the pro life argument. People in the US have access to family planning, and who has the right to terminate and at what time is always going to be changing.

That's rather a problem as in many places there is no access, as the venn diagram of people who are against abortion and people who are against birth control is quite coincident.

Yeah, it's a shame the places where abortion should be needed least appear to need it the most.

[JeffreyD]

Donbot said:

Abortion isn't god's will.

The sort of person who will tell you that isn't the sort of person you should be listening to.
No good can come of it.

[Byker28i]

gregs656 said:

Donbot said:

Why should termination happen at or before 12 weeks. That baby would grow in a lab.

I'm playing devil's advocate here but there is merit in the pro life argument. People in the US have access to family planning, and who has the right to terminate and at what time is always going to be changing.

Not true that access to family planning is guaranteed. Sex education in the US is also pretty limited compared to the UK and many states promote abstinence over everything. There are also moves to limit access to family planning treatments.

The GOP are not really the party of conservative economics and small government any more. They haven't been for decades.

Easy solution. Vasectomy is easily reversible. Do that to all males at 14/15, then reverse when they are old and mature enough and proven they are financially stable to support a family. Bet that wouldn't be acceptable

[NRS]

thewarlock said:

NRS said:

Woman gets pregnant, wants to keep the kid. Dad insists on an abortion when he discovers at 12 weeks. Mum's will overrules him, and he has to pay for it and her for the next x years, plus supporting them with all the time and "effort". Is this just about a woman's right to her body?

Yes. If he didn't want to find himself in this situation, he was free not to stick his dick in her.

No-one else should get to choose what we do with our bodies.

And not just on the topic of abortion, I'd extend this bodily autonomy to drug taking, circumcision and just about anything else you can think of, as long as it's not harming any other living thing.

The issue is if the dad says "I'm out as I want an abortion and you're not doing it" then results in the mum imposing her choice of not having an abortion on both the child and the dad for at least 18 years.

The child may well grow up without a father (time, emotional support, love etc) if the father has not wanted a child and bails out. I know several people who have had that and while I don't think it's as far as they don't wish they'd never been born they certainty had major issues as a result of it (fighting the fear of not being wanted their entire life and so on). Even if the father sticks around the care is often less than it should be.

We have the situation where a mum can choose to have a kid against the wishes of the father, and by doing that the dad is legally forced to help them both out for the next 18 years because we (rightly) want to look after the kid as best as possible when it wasn't their choice, even when it was the mum that chose to birth the kid knowing one of them didn't want it and put it in that situation. "No one should choose what we do with our bodies" misses that the choice impacts two other bodies - one who did stick his dick in it, one who had no choice at all.

(I'm not going down the route of the "women sticking a pin in a condom to get pregnant which makes the above worse", as I think it's really pretty rare despite being brought up by some guys in these types of discussions. Male contraception when it hopefully comes out soon will reduce this argument even more).

[The Rotrex Kid]

Donbot said:

MC Bodge said:

I've never understood why so many religious people (who worship one or more omnipotent deities) are so concerned about what other people with their own (god-given?) free will do with their genitalia, reproductive organs or life.

Ps. Why does god need to auto-correct to capital G?

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd May 18:19

Abortion isn't god's will.

It’s literally not mentioned in the bible at all.

Gods will. bks.

[Donbot]

JeffreyD said:

Donbot said:

Abortion isn't god's will.

The sort of person who will tell you that isn't the sort of person you should be listening to.
No good can come of it.

It's part of Christianity.

People's god given rights are given to them by god. They aren't individual rights.

[hidetheelephants]

Byker28i said:

gregs656 said:

Donbot said:

Why should termination happen at or before 12 weeks. That baby would grow in a lab.

I'm playing devil's advocate here but there is merit in the pro life argument. People in the US have access to family planning, and who has the right to terminate and at what time is always going to be changing.

Not true that access to family planning is guaranteed. Sex education in the US is also pretty limited compared to the UK and many states promote abstinence over everything. There are also moves to limit access to family planning treatments.

The GOP are not really the party of conservative economics and small government any more. They haven't been for decades.

Easy solution. Vasectomy is easily reversible. Do that to all males at 14/15, then reverse when they are old and mature enough and proven they are financially stable to support a family. Bet that wouldn't be acceptable

Americans already routinely hack lumps out of their male children's genitalia so it's not that big a mental bridge to cross; the slogan "My body, my right" would get very popular very quickly.

[Donbot]

The Rotrex Kid said:

Donbot said:

MC Bodge said:

I've never understood why so many religious people (who worship one or more omnipotent deities) are so concerned about what other people with their own (god-given?) free will do with their genitalia, reproductive organs or life.

Ps. Why does god need to auto-correct to capital G?

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd May 18:19

Abortion isn't god's will.

It’s literally not mentioned in the bible at all.

Gods will. bks.

Christians seem to have a hard on for it for some reason.

[JeffreyD]

Donbot said:

It's part of Christianity.

People's god given rights are given to them by god. They aren't individual rights.

Load of old tut, isn't it?
You can see where the problems come from.

[The Rotrex Kid]

Donbot said:

The Rotrex Kid said:

Donbot said:

MC Bodge said:

I've never understood why so many religious people (who worship one or more omnipotent deities) are so concerned about what other people with their own (god-given?) free will do with their genitalia, reproductive organs or life.

Ps. Why does god need to auto-correct to capital G?

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd May 18:19

Abortion isn't god's will.

It’s literally not mentioned in the bible at all.

Gods will. bks.

Christians seem to have a hard on for it for some reason.

Because religion is about control. Always has been, always will be.

[Byker28i]

kowalski655 said:

hidetheelephants said:

SCOTUS, putting the fun mental back in religious fundamentalist.

FTFY
Coming soon from SCOTUS; an end to LGBTQ rights, inc. marriage, & mixed race marriage, no more ACA or welfare, with added segregation thrown in

Remember during Kavanaughs confirmation hearing (when he lied lots) when he also said that Roe v. Wade's right to abortion was settled, it was "important precedent"
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/05/politics/kavana...

Amy Coney Barrett said during her second day of confirmation hearings that she would not classify Roe v. Wade as “super-precedent,” a decision that is so settled that it cannot be overruled, and refused to comment on what she would do if the case was put before her.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/10/...

Remember when Gorsuch said Roe v. Wade Is the 'Law of the Land' during his confirmation hearing.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/...

So you've a third of the Supreme court placed by trump/McConnell

[Gweeds]

I could have sworn I heard Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrret say they considered Roe vs Wade settled law and therefore off the table at their confirmation hearings.

Gilead doesn’t seem so far off with these fkers.

Republicans. ‘Pro-life’ until you talk about gun control. Funny that.

[Donbot]

The Rotrex Kid said:

Donbot said:

The Rotrex Kid said:

Donbot said:

MC Bodge said:

I've never understood why so many religious people (who worship one or more omnipotent deities) are so concerned about what other people with their own (god-given?) free will do with their genitalia, reproductive organs or life.

Ps. Why does god need to auto-correct to capital G?

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd May 18:19

Abortion isn't god's will.

It’s literally not mentioned in the bible at all.

Gods will. bks.

Christians seem to have a hard on for it for some reason.

Because religion is about control. Always has been, always will be.

There's more to religion than control. We are a Christian based society after all.

[Donbot]

Gweeds said:

I could have sworn I heard Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrret say they considered Roe vs Wade settled law and therefore off the table at their confirmation hearings.

Gilead doesn’t seem so far off with these fkers.

Republicans. ‘Pro-life’ until you talk about gun control. Funny that.

Pro-life is your own life. You don't kill someone 'till you shoot them.