RMT union vote for a national rail strike
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P5BNij said:
rigga said:
anonymous said:
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Unfortunately a death at my old depot in 2019 , driver ignored safety protocol rushing to catch a taxi , and depot driver ignored rules for coupling up units.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-5...
And the driver of the train that crushed him knew him very well .
Shows that safety practices slip , and become the norm .... It all works until it doesn't.
On a parallel topic, it seem now that both the Postal Workers and Fire wombles are now lining up industrial action.
Reading a book on the economy of Weimar Germany at the moment throws up some concerning similarities, with respect to both inflation and wage demands. (Fortunately, the French are not crucifying us for reparations or annexing large chunks of our industrial base.)
Reading a book on the economy of Weimar Germany at the moment throws up some concerning similarities, with respect to both inflation and wage demands. (Fortunately, the French are not crucifying us for reparations or annexing large chunks of our industrial base.)
Ouroboros said:
The tram drivers moaning about ''spy cameras'' that are very common place in haulage industry. it feels like anything that improves safety, is seen as infringing on their rights, why is that I wonder?
Cameras in high risk or high value are perfectly legal and not an infringement of rights, as long as setup by proper adult, not some jobsworth micro manger more interested in spying on the employee 24/7 rather than capturing the footage needed for proper safety observations and review.Ouroboros said:
legzr1 said:
No mention of voluntary redundancies then?
As I thought.
Just said redundancies, as you know.As I thought.
Your link, your quote from it.
I asked where were redundancies being blocked.
You didn’t answer because VR is not being blocked.
CR is not required in this dispute.
You and the other industry expert are free to continue to whine and moan about it all you like
anonymous said:
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Thanks for that, it was Germany where I had seen them run on the same lines. I guess it was a section built and operated to heavy spec but utilised by the tram network.You are bang on about the network not being fit for purpose. I have family on the outskirts of Birmingham where there is only one train line running through. If that was a city in Germany, it would have a tram or U-bahn connection to the city and most likely to other areas surrounding the city.
cirian75 said:
Cameras in high risk or high value are perfectly legal and not an infringement of rights, as long as setup by proper adult, not some jobsworth micro manger more interested in spying on the employee 24/7 rather than capturing the footage needed for proper safety observations and review.
I’m wondering what his point is?What has in-cab cameras on a tram got to do with track workers working on the line?
Another throwaway irrelevance it seems.
egomeister said:
Thanks for that, it was Germany where I had seen them run on the same lines. I guess it was a section built and operated to heavy spec but utilised by the tram network.
You are bang on about the network not being fit for purpose. I have family on the outskirts of Birmingham where there is only one train line running through. If that was a city in Germany, it would have a tram or U-bahn connection to the city and most likely to other areas surrounding the city.
Comes back to the abject, chronic lack of infrastructure investment in the UK in the last 30-40 years.You are bang on about the network not being fit for purpose. I have family on the outskirts of Birmingham where there is only one train line running through. If that was a city in Germany, it would have a tram or U-bahn connection to the city and most likely to other areas surrounding the city.
That plus, can you imagine getting the RMT members to share track with "those tram bds"?
egomeister said:
Thanks for that, it was Germany where I had seen them run on the same lines. I guess it was a section built and operated to heavy spec but utilised by the tram network.
You are bang on about the network not being fit for purpose. I have family on the outskirts of Birmingham where there is only one train line running through. If that was a city in Germany, it would have a tram or U-bahn connection to the city and most likely to other areas surrounding the city.
Hasn’t it already been stated that there would be no barrier to this in the UK if funding and investment matched that of other European countries with, what seems like, far better ‘connected’ transport systems?You are bang on about the network not being fit for purpose. I have family on the outskirts of Birmingham where there is only one train line running through. If that was a city in Germany, it would have a tram or U-bahn connection to the city and most likely to other areas surrounding the city.
legzr1 said:
I’m wondering what his point is?
What has in-cab cameras on a tram got to do with track workers working on the line?
Another throwaway irrelevance it seems.
safety measure brought in, that the unionised workers moaned about , that actually improves safety for all......What has in-cab cameras on a tram got to do with track workers working on the line?
Another throwaway irrelevance it seems.
Edited by Ouroboros on Tuesday 28th June 15:56
Digga said:
Comes back to the abject, chronic lack of infrastructure investment in the UK in the last 30-40 years.
That plus, can you imagine getting the RMT members to share track with "those tram bds"?
First point - agreed.That plus, can you imagine getting the RMT members to share track with "those tram bds"?
Second point - well, considering ‘those tram bds’ are RMT members and already share track with the ‘heavy’ boys I’m not sure if that hurdle exists
Legacywr said:
Because sometimes CR is necessary. VR would work in a perfect scenario, but we don’t live in ideal world.
And sometimes it isn’t.As in this case.
As in the past 12 years of negotiations between the parties actually ‘at war’ in this dispute (difference now is a political agenda and a very poor government actively provoking things).
VR has and continues to work in situations that aren’t ‘perfect’ too.
Not quite a binary choice…
Legacywr said:
legzr1 said:
Legacywr said:
I’d like the government to win the dispute over CR issue.
Why?Instead Network Rail did what they were told by Grant Shapps and picked a fight with the RMT.
Ouroboros said:
safety measure brought in, that the unionised workers moaned about , that actually improves safety for all......
But it wasn’t brought in, has nothing to do with this dispute and safety has been vastly improved, year on year , with many other safety features.Edited by Ouroboros on Tuesday 28th June 15:56
If this isn’t yet another grrr union non-point then what is it?
legzr1 said:
Legacywr said:
Because sometimes CR is necessary. VR would work in a perfect scenario, but we don’t live in ideal world.
And sometimes it isn’t.As in this case.
As in the past 12 years of negotiations between the parties actually ‘at war’ in this dispute (difference now is a political agenda and a very poor government actively provoking things).
VR has and continues to work in situations that aren’t ‘perfect’ too.
Not quite a binary choice…
WHY is CR not necessary - when nobody has yet agreed to any revised T&Cs ?
(Please avoid your usual 'it just isn't' or 'everything would get sorted without it' typical response)
legzr1 said:
cirian75 said:
If they have asked for VR volunteers offering decent packages that would have gotten most if not all of the 2500.
Instead Network Rail did what they were told by Grant Shapps and picked a fight with the RMT.
Exactly.Instead Network Rail did what they were told by Grant Shapps and picked a fight with the RMT.
If they made 2,500 ticket staff roles redundant and 2,500 cleaners applied for VR, you would still need to make 2,500 ticket office staff redundant.
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