RMT union vote for a national rail strike

[FWIW]

valiant said:

Oooh, desperate…

Who? Me? I’m only here for the discussion…

[TonyToniTone]

valiant said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mic...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/transport/survey-resul...

[FWIW]

Just one more needed…

[legzr1]

The angst that must be taking place in certain sections of the press is just as important as the numbers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10960125/...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/29/suppor...


But we can always rely on this lot to find a ‘positive’
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1628618/train-st...

[Stedman]

legzr1 said:

ETCS?

So not ERTMS that has had years + £millions thrown at it?

ETCS comes under the umbrella of ERTMS, doesn't it?

[Vasco]

legzr1 said:

The angst that must be taking place in certain sections of the press is just as important as the numbers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10960125/...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/29/suppor...


But we can always rely on this lot to find a ‘positive’
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1628618/train-st...

Interesting to see that '......Revenue is just 54% of pre-pandemic levels.....'

Rail finances are going to be even more of a struggle than many people realise.

[Tlandcruiser]

Stedman said:

ETCS comes under the umbrella of ERTMS, doesn't it?

That’s right, the wording is often mixed up. ETCS is the command and control system that will replace AWS/TPWS. The four elements which form ERTMS are - ETCS/GSM-R/National operation Rules and at a later date and once more of the network has been converted, is the traffic management system.

Its slow progress due to the sheer scope and complexity- it’s what I’m working on

[Cobnapint]

anonymous said:

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The RPS is fully solvent. From what I can remember the contributions I paid were about 10.8% a couple of years ago. I don't think that's changed.
The one thing that makes the RPS so good is the AVC that runs alongside it - BRASS.

[Cobnapint]

valiant said:

Leicester Loyal said:

'£1 billion technology investment to bring railway into 21st century '

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1-billion-techn...

They should just buy a billion pounds worth of buses

But, but, but modernisation…


see, it happens all the time

I see the old 'victorian infrastructure' bks was thrown into that report. What a load of nonsense. The railway has had numerous resignalling, new rolling stock and track remodeling projects since Queen Vic was a lad.

[legzr1]

Tlandcruiser said:

Stedman said:

ETCS comes under the umbrella of ERTMS, doesn't it?

That’s right, the wording is often mixed up. ETCS is the command and control system that will replace AWS/TPWS. The four elements which form ERTMS are - ETCS/GSM-R/National operation Rules and at a later date and once more of the network has been converted, is the traffic management system.

Its slow progress due to the sheer scope and complexity- it’s what I’m working on

Thank you both.

Two of us from my company were asked some time ago if we’d like to pop down to London for a seminar with the other main players, TOCs, FOCs,NR etc. It was quite obvious that each separate body needed some people to transfer into the project for costing, implementation and the like.

I politely declined and think I dodged a bullet!

From the extremely limited information I received I think you’re a lot braver than me!

Are you with NR or one of the TOC/FOCs?

[cirian75]

Noticing that Mick Lynch is not on the TV or radio any more.

Tories can't be having an intelligent smart working class man showing up their dimwitted Eton elitist twerps who's only real skill is lying.

[Vasco]

cirian75 said:

Noticing that Mick Lynch is not on the TV or radio any more.

Tories can't be having an intelligent smart working class man showing up their dimwitted Eton elitist twerps who's only real skill is lying.

Interesting. Presumably, you must have some proof that the government is controlling the media. Please share your knowledge on how it's being done.

[cirian75]

Vasco said:

cirian75 said:

Noticing that Mick Lynch is not on the TV or radio any more.

Tories can't be having an intelligent smart working class man showing up their dimwitted Eton elitist twerps who's only real skill is lying.

Interesting. Presumably, you must have some proof that the government is controlling the media. Please share your knowledge on how it's being done.

They have form

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=carrie+story+pul...

[pquinn]

cirian75 said:

Noticing that Mick Lynch is not on the TV or radio any more.

Tories can't be having an intelligent smart working class man showing up their dimwitted Eton elitist twerps who's only real skill is lying.

If they had that degree of control over the media he'd never have been on in the first place.

Reality is the news cycle has moved on and no one cares right now.

[legzr1]

anonymous said:

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I would have thought you’d be the first to admit The ECML project was done ‘on the cheap’. Everything from the distances of structure to structure through to a three aspect SIMBIDS signalling system from just north of Newcastle to Berick. Not even basic AWS (hence the max speed of 50mph - £millions worth of Azumas being overtaken by HGVs on the A1…)

I agree though, the costs are immense.

Time and budget - it’s possible. Years ago (can’t remember exactly - Google would probably help) there was a massive Easter blockade on the ECML. Prep works in place months in advance, everything agreed, people in place and just about EVERY junction was cut out, replaced, re-ballasted and tamped. Over one weekend.

Value? Not too sure.

Maybe a case of pick two out of three…


Edited to answer your edit:

Stoke tunnel to Peterborough has 5 aspect signalling. Not too many years ago I’ve driven over the route with this signalling enabled. The normal aspects plus ‘flashing greens’. These give another signal section for warning/braking to allow…guess what? 140mph running. Nothing to do with in-cab signalling.

Edited by legzr1 on Thursday 30th June 12:37

[Tankrizzo]

cirian75 said:

They have form

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=carrie+story+pul...

Yeah you're right, the Tories leaning on The Times to pull a story is totes the same as making sure Mick Lynch vanishes from every mainstream paper and news channel.

[legzr1]

cirian75 said:

Noticing that Mick Lynch is not on the TV or radio any more.

Tories can't be having an intelligent smart working class man showing up their dimwitted Eton elitist twerps who's only real skill is lying.

Ouch

A little close to the bone for some on here I expect.

pquinn said:

Reality is the news cycle has moved on and I don’t care right now.

Edited that for you.

You’re welcome

[Stedman]

Tlandcruiser said:

Stedman said:

ETCS comes under the umbrella of ERTMS, doesn't it?

That’s right, the wording is often mixed up. ETCS is the command and control system that will replace AWS/TPWS. The four elements which form ERTMS are - ETCS/GSM-R/National operation Rules and at a later date and once more of the network has been converted, is the traffic management system.

Its slow progress due to the sheer scope and complexity- it’s what I’m working on

Our paths may cross, then

[loafer123]

pquinn said:

cirian75 said:

Noticing that Mick Lynch is not on the TV or radio any more.

Tories can't be having an intelligent smart working class man showing up their dimwitted Eton elitist twerps who's only real skill is lying.

If they had that degree of control over the media he'd never have been on in the first place.

Reality is the news cycle has moved on and no one cares right now.

This.

Unions…always playing the victim…

[legzr1]

anonymous said:

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My old company had a couple of the engineers with hands-on experience from that project join us on the footplate (funnily enough, after lots were became surplus and a VR scheme was put in place…)

The consensus was. ‘Done on the cheap, concerns raised and ignored and whole sections rushed’. Belford and Alnmouth in particular. Coincidentally,, where most of the issues continue to this day.

anonymous said:

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Well, the flashing greens’ sole reason for being was to allow 140mph running.
I’ve been a passenger on a few services hauled by 91s that attained the speed. A couple of times the conductor actually made announcements of such, proud of making up the six minute delay at the last station stop.

Why it seems to have died is a strange one.
It was proven to work and even today trains travelling over the line still receive flashing greens (or did 5 years ago).
The infrastructure is there, the trains are there and I’ve personally witnessed it all working smoothly on an ordinary KX-ED service.