RMT union vote for a national rail strike
Discussion
NuckyThompson said:
RacerMike said:
Assuming this is going to be next Thursday/Friday? Which is particularly rubbish for me as I need to get to Heathrow for a flight to NY and had booked my train tickets the other day.
Takes the P a little bit that they’re striking over pay when the average wage according to Glassdoor is 54k for a 40hr a week contract….
What you want them to do? Take a pay cut and allow the rail companies to make even greater profits? Takes the P a little bit that they’re striking over pay when the average wage according to Glassdoor is 54k for a 40hr a week contract….
The strike is the result not the root cause
The train operators are all on management contracts. Profit level is agreed and set by government
If they did cut pay, the benefit would be to the tresury.
Dblue said:
Like all of us are facing for the next year or two. Forcing 10% wage rises through a very powerful union is exactly the reason why inflation will likely continue to be a big problem.
The RMT members have some very very well paid members already, wages for drivers on London Underground work out at around 3 times that of a nurse for example.
It's sod all to do with profits of train companies , they do it because they can.
Probably worth pointing out that the majority of drivers are members of ASLEF, not the RMT.The RMT members have some very very well paid members already, wages for drivers on London Underground work out at around 3 times that of a nurse for example.
It's sod all to do with profits of train companies , they do it because they can.
Also, nobody disagrees that nurses are underpaid but the RMT don't have bargaining rights for them I'm afraid - that would be the job of Unison or whichever union they pay to represent their interests.
rigga said:
RMT are nowhere near as powerful as they used to be .
ASLEF the drivers union on the other hand ....
RMT represent signal and control room staff though. That WILL cause a lot of disruption (as in no service at all) if they go out.ASLEF the drivers union on the other hand ....
Lot of people think that it’s just drivers that cause the mayhem by striking when in fact it’s a small band of workers like signalmen and controllers that can completely shut the job down. Can have all the drivers in the world turn up but not a wheel will turn if the ROC/ local cabin staff go out…
foxbody-87 said:
Dblue said:
Like all of us are facing for the next year or two. Forcing 10% wage rises through a very powerful union is exactly the reason why inflation will likely continue to be a big problem.
The RMT members have some very very well paid members already, wages for drivers on London Underground work out at around 3 times that of a nurse for example.
It's sod all to do with profits of train companies , they do it because they can.
Probably worth pointing out that the majority of drivers are members of ASLEF, not the RMT.The RMT members have some very very well paid members already, wages for drivers on London Underground work out at around 3 times that of a nurse for example.
It's sod all to do with profits of train companies , they do it because they can.
Also, nobody disagrees that nurses are underpaid but the RMT don't have bargaining rights for them I'm afraid - that would be the job of Unison or whichever union they pay to represent their interests.
soxboy said:
According to BBC 'The union said its leaders would meet to discuss a timetable for strike action from mid-June'.
Apparently the RMT say "members want a decent pay rise, job security and no compulsory redundancies". We all would love that, but not going to get any sympathy for striking about it.
Issue is RMT staff need to right size the workforce. Apparently the RMT say "members want a decent pay rise, job security and no compulsory redundancies". We all would love that, but not going to get any sympathy for striking about it.
With WFH happening and stabilising there simply isn’t the work for the staff they had. Unless things dramatically change they never will. So you cannot guarantee any job in any company for starters and with this push redundancy is also a real possibility.
valiant said:
rigga said:
RMT are nowhere near as powerful as they used to be .
ASLEF the drivers union on the other hand ....
RMT represent signal and control room staff though. That WILL cause a lot of disruption (as in no service at all) if they go out.ASLEF the drivers union on the other hand ....
Lot of people think that it’s just drivers that cause the mayhem by striking when in fact it’s a small band of workers like signalmen and controllers that can completely shut the job down. Can have all the drivers in the world turn up but not a wheel will turn if the ROC/ local cabin staff go out…
But when there are disputes, I found that the RMT wasn't very cohesive, and pushing in the same direction for different grades.
ASLEF always stuck to their guns, and pretty much got what they were looking for.
rigga said:
No I agree, there are many sections of the railway, all doing their bit as a whole, to make the system run.
But when there are disputes, I found that the RMT wasn't very cohesive, and pushing in the same direction for different grades.
ASLEF always stuck to their guns, and pretty much got what they were looking for.
All I say is please put up rail ticket prices specifically to fund this - no govt help please. But when there are disputes, I found that the RMT wasn't very cohesive, and pushing in the same direction for different grades.
ASLEF always stuck to their guns, and pretty much got what they were looking for.
We might see how foot fall goes … I suspect decreases.
Welshbeef said:
ZedLeg said:
Starting salaries for nurses isn’t much more than minimum wage iirc.
https://www.nurses.co.uk/blog/what-s-the-typical-starting-wage-for-a-nurse-in-the-uk-in-2022/It’s 25k typically so 26% more than minimum wage
ZedLeg said:
Welshbeef said:
ZedLeg said:
Starting salaries for nurses isn’t much more than minimum wage iirc.
https://www.nurses.co.uk/blog/what-s-the-typical-starting-wage-for-a-nurse-in-the-uk-in-2022/It’s 25k typically so 26% more than minimum wage
Though to up all the grades is going to mean further National insurance increases…
NuckyThompson said:
What you want them to do? Take a pay cut and allow the rail companies to make even greater profits?
The strike is the result not the root cause
Your point on profits of rail companies - I can’t find much info on what the RMT are asking for versus what the TOCs are offering. And also can’t recall the current revenue/profits of said TOCs at the moment.The strike is the result not the root cause
What numbers are you using to base your viewpoint on?
Genuinely interested.
The payrise is the last thing on the agenda for me, it's more to do with changing of T&Cs, forcing us to do more nights, more weekends, trying to remove our enhancements, redundancies, making teams smaller from 3 men to 2. A lot of it is gonna compromise safety, whilst asking your staff to do more.
I also don't think we're expecting to get inflation or anywhere near 11%, reckon 5-6% is all we'll get and we'll accept that, but offering us no payrise, or a 1% payrise isn't gonna wash, when we've not had one since 2020. We see first hand the amount of money the railway wastes, yet rather than do something about that they'll pass the costs onto staff members, whilst spunking billions upon billions up the wall.
Some of the figures in the media are total bull btw, most of us earn a decent wage but it totally depends on your discipline and your T&Cs, a lot of us are either on the national average salary or on just above it, it's not all train drivers on 50k basic etc.
We'll get a lot of hate (as I probably will for this post), but the past generations fought for these rights and I hope we continue to do the same.
I also don't think we're expecting to get inflation or anywhere near 11%, reckon 5-6% is all we'll get and we'll accept that, but offering us no payrise, or a 1% payrise isn't gonna wash, when we've not had one since 2020. We see first hand the amount of money the railway wastes, yet rather than do something about that they'll pass the costs onto staff members, whilst spunking billions upon billions up the wall.
Some of the figures in the media are total bull btw, most of us earn a decent wage but it totally depends on your discipline and your T&Cs, a lot of us are either on the national average salary or on just above it, it's not all train drivers on 50k basic etc.
We'll get a lot of hate (as I probably will for this post), but the past generations fought for these rights and I hope we continue to do the same.
Edited by Leicester Loyal on Wednesday 25th May 01:13
Edited by Leicester Loyal on Wednesday 25th May 01:15
NuckyThompson said:
Johnnytheboy said:
They aren't taking a pay cut.
Unless the offer they turned down is 10% it would be a real world pay cutHopefully all employers that can will announce WFH on those days and the RMT will see their attempts at extortion fail.
Leicester Loyal said:
The payrise is the last thing on the agenda for me, it's more to do with changing of T&Cs, forcing us to do more nights, more weekends, trying to remove our enhancements, redundancies, making teams smaller from 3 men to 2. A lot of it is gonna compromise safety, whilst asking your staff to do more.
I also don't think we're expecting to get inflation or anywhere near 11%, reckon 5-6% is all we'll get and we'll accept that, but offering us no payrise, or a 1% payrise isn't gonna wash, when we've not had one since 2020. We see first hand the amount of money the railway wastes, yet rather than do something about that they'll pass the costs onto staff members, whilst spunking billions upon billions up the wall.
Some of the figures in the media are total bull btw, most of us earn a decent wage but it totally depends on your discipline and your T&Cs, a lot of us are either on the national average salary or on just above it, it's not all train drivers on 50k basic etc.
We'll get a lot of hate (as I probably will for this post), but the past generations fought for these rights and I hope we continue to do the same.
Genuine question, in what ways do they waste money? I also don't think we're expecting to get inflation or anywhere near 11%, reckon 5-6% is all we'll get and we'll accept that, but offering us no payrise, or a 1% payrise isn't gonna wash, when we've not had one since 2020. We see first hand the amount of money the railway wastes, yet rather than do something about that they'll pass the costs onto staff members, whilst spunking billions upon billions up the wall.
Some of the figures in the media are total bull btw, most of us earn a decent wage but it totally depends on your discipline and your T&Cs, a lot of us are either on the national average salary or on just above it, it's not all train drivers on 50k basic etc.
We'll get a lot of hate (as I probably will for this post), but the past generations fought for these rights and I hope we continue to do the same.
Edited by Leicester Loyal on Wednesday 25th May 01:13
Edited by Leicester Loyal on Wednesday 25th May 01:15
I work in manufacturing in the private sector and it always amazes me how much companies waste and how resistant people are to change to prevent it.
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