RMT union vote for a national rail strike
Discussion
Legacywr said:
cirian75 said:
Vasco said:
RMT call another strike for 2nd June.
Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
Can someone have a quiet word with the Govt and kindly point out adding very last second conditions to in principle agreed deals negotiated between the RMT and Rail Companies scuppers those deals.Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
But then this Govt want to have this fight.
cirian75 said:
Vasco said:
RMT call another strike for 2nd June.
Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
Can someone have a quiet word with the Govt and kindly point out adding very last second conditions to in principle agreed deals negotiated between the RMT and Rail Companies scuppers those deals.Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
But then this Govt want to have this fight.
cirian75 said:
Vasco said:
RMT call another strike for 2nd June.
Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
Can someone have a quiet word with the Govt and kindly point out adding very last second conditions to in principle agreed deals negotiated between the RMT and Rail Companies scuppers those deals.Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
But then this Govt want to have this fight.
If RMT members feel that more strikes will prove anything then they're more blinkered than I thought.
Countdown said:
I don't.
My understanding is that vacancies are fairly limited because it's such a popular job.
Are Train companies struggling to recruit drivers of the necessary calibre?
Requires a fairly nuanced answer. Train companies are desperate to employ more female drivers but find they fail the assessments significantly more than men. My understanding is that vacancies are fairly limited because it's such a popular job.
Are Train companies struggling to recruit drivers of the necessary calibre?
I'd suggest that if you're a woman and can pass the psychometric testing and atleast turn up for the interview and pass a medical then bingo you'll get a job offer.
The drop out rate for people who get as far as starting the course is quite low, I'd guess less than 10% and then maybe another 1 or 2% pass and then decide its not for them.
ChocolateFrog said:
Requires a fairly nuanced answer. Train companies are desperate to employ more female drivers but find they fail the assessments significantly more than men.
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Why are they desperate to employ more female drivers? Sounds a bit sexist to me. If they are having candidates do assessments surely they should be employing those who perform best when assessed?.
Legacywr said:
Did the RMT win?
A good point. I suspect this Government climb down came about when they realised how unpopular the ticket office closures had become and how much support there is for station staff.However, RMT members now have a 5% pay increase(or £1750) backdated to 2022 and a settled few months ahead, before the 2023 pay battle starts again.
With train drivers going on strike over the next few days, I suspect this strike and the knock-on economic damage caused by it could be averted by an equivalent offer being made.
Ashfordian said:
A good result for the RMT but why did it take so long for the Government to make a sensible and pragmatic offer?
All the Government has done is push a scorched earth policy where the taxpayer has been picking up the bill for the damage inflicted.
See all interviews by MPs in the Covid enquiry so far, that will give u a clue on why All the Government has done is push a scorched earth policy where the taxpayer has been picking up the bill for the damage inflicted.
Can you imagine if they just gave a reasonable offer right at the start. Would have saved so much time, money and utter misery for millions of people.
Instead the default is to play this silly game for way longer than is needed to get to a point where most of knew we'd get to eventually.
As this is for 2022, 2 years ago, soon negotiations for 23/24 will start and we'll probably still be discussing those in 2025/26.
Instead the default is to play this silly game for way longer than is needed to get to a point where most of knew we'd get to eventually.
As this is for 2022, 2 years ago, soon negotiations for 23/24 will start and we'll probably still be discussing those in 2025/26.
Rick101 said:
Can you imagine if they just gave a reasonable offer right at the start. Would have saved so much time, money and utter misery for millions of people.
Instead the default is to play this silly game for way longer than is needed to get to a point where most of knew we'd get to eventually.
As this is for 2022, 2 years ago, soon negotiations for 23/24 will start and we'll probably still be discussing those in 2025/26.
The problem with that is that a 'reasonable offer' probably wouldn't have been accepted by the RMT at the time.Instead the default is to play this silly game for way longer than is needed to get to a point where most of knew we'd get to eventually.
As this is for 2022, 2 years ago, soon negotiations for 23/24 will start and we'll probably still be discussing those in 2025/26.
If there need to be changes to T's + C's it's not surprising that any initial pay offers would have included that requirement in the negotiations.
Legacywr said:
Isn’t this deal near to what the government wanted, rather than the demands of the RMT?
I can't recall all the offers but the ones I can remember are:4%+4% with lots of Terms and Conditions changes
5%+4% with lots of Terms and Conditions changes (DOO added to almost intentionally scupper the deal)
5%+4% with fewer Terms and Condition changes
To the current accepted offer of 5% for 2022(or £1750) backdated and no T&C changes. The 2023 pay negotiations will start next year so you can expect further strikes when these quickly hit a stalemate.
Ashfordian said:
I can't recall all the offers but the ones I can remember are:
4%+4% with lots of Terms and Conditions changes
5%+4% with lots of Terms and Conditions changes (DOO added to almost intentionally scupper the deal)
5%+4% with fewer Terms and Condition changes
To the current accepted offer of 5% for 2022(or £1750) backdated and no T&C changes. The 2023 pay negotiations will start next year so you can expect further strikes when these quickly hit a stalemate.
Probably - but at some point there are T&C changes needed if we are to have an efficient and cost effective train system. Hopefully, the 2 main unions will see that there can be benefits in working closer with management rather than fighting for every possible morsel.4%+4% with lots of Terms and Conditions changes
5%+4% with lots of Terms and Conditions changes (DOO added to almost intentionally scupper the deal)
5%+4% with fewer Terms and Condition changes
To the current accepted offer of 5% for 2022(or £1750) backdated and no T&C changes. The 2023 pay negotiations will start next year so you can expect further strikes when these quickly hit a stalemate.
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