If Britain rejoined the EU tomorrow…
Discussion
crankedup5 said:
Evanivitch said:
crankedup5 said:
New chemicals to be added to the list, I looked upon the issue of assessing the chemical before its uses. Sixty new jobs with more to come, sounds good to me. Of course I am very aware that chemicals do have a broad range of uses in our everyday lives. Pleased to see you acknowledge our agility and expertise when critical situations to public health demand such agility,
The U.K. will adapt itself to life outside of the EU, but it will not be an overnight issue. I’m pleased that we are out, I take the view that the longer we stayed in the more difficult our exit would have become.
I get the impression that you've either never used Agile in an engineering or project context, or you just consider it a buzzword for your own personal trumpeting.The U.K. will adapt itself to life outside of the EU, but it will not be an overnight issue. I’m pleased that we are out, I take the view that the longer we stayed in the more difficult our exit would have become.
Ironic that you celebrate the creation of 60 jobs purely to duplicate the work already done in the EU. All hail unnecessary bureaucracy.
And so the people that actually understand the complexity of the issue and live through the difficulties actually understand what a **** show it really is.
Evanivitch said:
crankedup5 said:
Evanivitch said:
crankedup5 said:
New chemicals to be added to the list, I looked upon the issue of assessing the chemical before its uses. Sixty new jobs with more to come, sounds good to me. Of course I am very aware that chemicals do have a broad range of uses in our everyday lives. Pleased to see you acknowledge our agility and expertise when critical situations to public health demand such agility,
The U.K. will adapt itself to life outside of the EU, but it will not be an overnight issue. I’m pleased that we are out, I take the view that the longer we stayed in the more difficult our exit would have become.
I get the impression that you've either never used Agile in an engineering or project context, or you just consider it a buzzword for your own personal trumpeting.The U.K. will adapt itself to life outside of the EU, but it will not be an overnight issue. I’m pleased that we are out, I take the view that the longer we stayed in the more difficult our exit would have become.
Ironic that you celebrate the creation of 60 jobs purely to duplicate the work already done in the EU. All hail unnecessary bureaucracy.
And so the people that actually understand the complexity of the issue and live through the difficulties actually understand what a **** show it really is.
Edited by crankedup5 on Friday 24th June 22:23
crankedup5 said:
:yawn: six years and stil bleating with the usual arrogance served as a side dish. Wrestle on, that’s life.
That's fine, just remember that Americans thought they'd seen the back of Trump, but look what's happened today.Edited by crankedup5 on Friday 24th June 22:23
You and your kind will always be responsible for the ****-show we have today, even after BoJo and brex****eers have filled their pockets and left politics.
If we rejoined tomorrow we could have an influence on the regulations surrounding aircraft design, production and maintenance which EuASA are changing in March 2023. (Changes to part 21 regulations, which in reality seem quite sensible on the face of it).
However, we will just sit back and be a rule taker rather than a rule maker. Sovereignty rules!
However, we will just sit back and be a rule taker rather than a rule maker. Sovereignty rules!
Edited by mike9009 on Friday 24th June 22:43
Evanivitch said:
crankedup5 said:
:yawn: six years and stil bleating with the usual arrogance served as a side dish. Wrestle on, that’s life.
That's fine, just remember that Americans thought they'd seen the back of Trump, but look what's happened today.Edited by crankedup5 on Friday 24th June 22:23
You and your kind will always be responsible for the ****-show we have today, even after BoJo and brex****eers have filled their pockets and left politics.
crankedup5 said:
Did you and ‘your kind’ give a moments thought to people left behind by being in the EU and how the FOM suppressed wages at the lower end. No of course not! And that is the crux of this historic shift in politics, a complete disregard for half of the working electorate. Blame lies with you and ‘your sort’.
You're not even connected to reality How's that wage growth at the lower end doing now FoM has been removed? It's doing great, right?
You've added 1 and 1 and yet again you've run out of thumbs but "durr EU!" Is to blame
Evanivitch said:
You and your kind...
That sort of language, the words of absolutism and intolerance, have no place in any rational debate.If we want to avoid past errors and the error of Trumpism, we should pay heed to being less divisive and more inclusive. Politics are not binary, not black and white, but shades of grey.
Digga said:
Evanivitch said:
You and your kind...
That sort of language, the words of absolutism and intolerance, have no place in any rational debate.If we want to avoid past errors and the error of Trumpism, we should pay heed to being less divisive and more inclusive. Politics are not binary, not black and white, but shades of grey.
crankedup5 said:
Did you and ‘your kind’ give a moments thought to people left behind by being in the EU and how the FOM suppressed wages at the lower end. No of course not! And that is the crux of this historic shift in politics, a complete disregard for half of the working electorate. Blame lies with you and ‘your sort’.
I don’t often post in these threads, as it brings out the worst in PH. But this I must respond to. If we’re apportioning “blame”, for what good it does, then it must surely lie with those who orchestrated the leave campaign closely followed by those who voted to leave. The attempts to cast blame onto those who didn’t want to leave are absurd.
We’re out, like it or not. But please, if you are a Brexit supporter and find things aren’t going the way you thought they would, please don’t try to throw blame at people who didn’t want Brexit. Blame instead the people who ran the Leave campaign on multiple false promises (E.g. the amazing boost for fishing), and outright lies (e.g Turkey joining the EU and mass migration from Turkey).
Don’t blame those who didn’t want it, most of us predicted that it wasn’t going to be the plain sailing that was sold by the Leave campaign.
Magnum 475 said:
crankedup5 said:
Did you and ‘your kind’ give a moments thought to people left behind by being in the EU and how the FOM suppressed wages at the lower end. No of course not! And that is the crux of this historic shift in politics, a complete disregard for half of the working electorate. Blame lies with you and ‘your sort’.
I don’t often post in these threads, as it brings out the worst in PH. But this I must respond to. If we’re apportioning “blame”, for what good it does, then it must surely lie with those who orchestrated the leave campaign closely followed by those who voted to leave. The attempts to cast blame onto those who didn’t want to leave are absurd.
We’re out, like it or not. But please, if you are a Brexit supporter and find things aren’t going the way you thought they would, please don’t try to throw blame at people who didn’t want Brexit. Blame instead the people who ran the Leave campaign on multiple false promises (E.g. the amazing boost for fishing), and outright lies (e.g Turkey joining the EU and mass migration from Turkey).
Don’t blame those who didn’t want it, most of us predicted that it wasn’t going to be the plain sailing that was sold by the Leave campaign.
People who insult and disrespect can expect a reply that is in the same tone.
Evanivitch said:
crankedup5 said:
Did you and ‘your kind’ give a moments thought to people left behind by being in the EU and how the FOM suppressed wages at the lower end. No of course not! And that is the crux of this historic shift in politics, a complete disregard for half of the working electorate. Blame lies with you and ‘your sort’.
You're not even connected to reality How's that wage growth at the lower end doing now FoM has been removed? It's doing great, right?
You've added 1 and 1 and yet again you've run out of thumbs but "durr EU!" Is to blame
Evanivitch said:
crankedup5 said:
Did you and ‘your kind’ give a moments thought to people left behind by being in the EU and how the FOM suppressed wages at the lower end. No of course not! And that is the crux of this historic shift in politics, a complete disregard for half of the working electorate. Blame lies with you and ‘your sort’.
You're not even connected to reality How's that wage growth at the lower end doing now FoM has been removed? It's doing great, right?
You've added 1 and 1 and yet again you've run out of thumbs but "durr EU!" Is to blame
Try to respond without the childish remarks maybe.
Evanivitch said:
Digga said:
Evanivitch said:
You and your kind...
That sort of language, the words of absolutism and intolerance, have no place in any rational debate.If we want to avoid past errors and the error of Trumpism, we should pay heed to being less divisive and more inclusive. Politics are not binary, not black and white, but shades of grey.
crankedup5 said:
We have full employment and if you have a look around you will see the ‘real World’ wages for low paid are certainly increasing. The problem we have atm is labour shortage, hence employers offering higher rates in each sector in an attempt to attract labour.
Try to respond without the childish remarks maybe.
That's a blatant lie.Try to respond without the childish remarks maybe.
Labour shortage or not, pay is not rising and lower paid jobs (which typically don't see bonus payments) are falling in real terms.
Why lie? What do you gain from it?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/p...
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-g...
Digga said:
Evanivitch said:
Digga said:
Evanivitch said:
You and your kind...
That sort of language, the words of absolutism and intolerance, have no place in any rational debate.If we want to avoid past errors and the error of Trumpism, we should pay heed to being less divisive and more inclusive. Politics are not binary, not black and white, but shades of grey.
Evanivitch said:
Digga said:
Evanivitch said:
Digga said:
Evanivitch said:
You and your kind...
That sort of language, the words of absolutism and intolerance, have no place in any rational debate.If we want to avoid past errors and the error of Trumpism, we should pay heed to being less divisive and more inclusive. Politics are not binary, not black and white, but shades of grey.
Your assertion that Brexit was binary is false. Many, on both sides, were deeply conflicted. Many too, felt it was a question that should not have been asked, a choice they were forced into making.
Only fools are dogmatically certain.
“What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”
Digga said:
I’m not though.
Your assertion that Brexit was binary is false. Many, on both sides, were deeply conflicted. Many too, felt it was a question that should not have been asked, a choice they were forced into making.
Only fools are dogmatically certain.
“What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”
Only tools that can read a binary ballot paper? Perhaps you need to remember the options we were given? Your assertion that Brexit was binary is false. Many, on both sides, were deeply conflicted. Many too, felt it was a question that should not have been asked, a choice they were forced into making.
Only fools are dogmatically certain.
“What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”
crankedup5 said:
We have full employment and if you have a look around you will see the ‘real World’ wages for low paid are certainly increasing. The problem we have atm is labour shortage, hence employers offering higher rates in each sector in an attempt to attract labour.
Try to respond without the childish remarks maybe.
We do indeed have full employment, and record numbers of job vacancies, with difficulties filling them.Try to respond without the childish remarks maybe.
I think workers are right to ask for increased pay, not only because of inflation but simply market forces, their value has increased. With employers unwilling to pay, it looks like we're in for some months of chaos.
A chap in this article reckons he had 8,000 EU applicants that he had to reject, a far higher percentage than previously.
The Guardian: ‘What have we done?’: six years on, UK counts the cost of Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/25/w...
Vasco said:
Electro1980 said:
Vasco said:
What would we miss?!! - the freedom to do what we want without having to make sure that it's ok with 27 other countries.
......but I'm sure you know that anyway.
Probably better if you stop dreaming of the impossible.
And what “rules” have we made since leaving that we could not before?......but I'm sure you know that anyway.
Probably better if you stop dreaming of the impossible.
You remoaners really don't give up do you!!
What a sad life.
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