How About Another EU Referendum?

How About Another EU Referendum?

Poll: How About Another EU Referendum?

Total Members Polled: 462

Oh no - not again - I'm abstaining: 11%
Yes please: 29%
Absolutely not: 60%
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PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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DeltonaS said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
I was a Remainer but there's no going back. Parts of the EU are glad we're gone, and rejoining would see us needing to adopt the Euro. We had it and we blew it, now we have to live with it.
19 of the 27 EU nations have replaced their national currencies with the euro. So if the UK would rejoin it would certainly not have to adopt the Euro.

Plus I'm certain to the vast majority of EU nations the UK are more than welcome to rejoin.
As Groucho marx said

Biggy Stardust

6,796 posts

43 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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DeltonaS said:
19 of the 27 EU nations have replaced their national currencies with the euro. So if the UK would rejoin it would certainly not have to adopt the Euro.

Plus I'm certain to the vast majority of EU nations the UK are more than welcome to rejoin.
I'm sure our money would be most welcome.

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

137 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Biggy Stardust said:
I'm sure our money would be most welcome.
O dear, after all these years you still don't get it.

The benefit of the EU is the EU; the biggest free trade area in the world, the largest economy in the world.

With or without English flag wavers.

The UK net contributor part (only about 10bn Euro), means nothing in the grand scheme of things
Another Brexit lie.

Edited by DeltonaS on Saturday 25th June 19:03

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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DeltonaS said:
O dear, after all these years you still don't get it.

The benefit of the EU is the EU; [b]the biggest free trade area in the world,[b] the largest economy in the world.

With or without English flag wavers.

The UK net contributor part (only about 10bn Euro), means nothing in the grand scheme of things
Another Brexit lie.
Simply not true. Going by the size of the economies they have free trade deals with, Switzerland and Singapore for example have far larger free trade areas.

Jenny Tailor

1,727 posts

36 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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DeltonaS said:
Biggy Stardust said:
I'm sure our money would be most welcome.
O dear, after all these years you still don't get it.

The benefit of the EU is the EU; the biggest free trade area in the world, the largest economy in the world.

With or without English flag wavers.

The UK net contributor part (only about 10bn Euro), means nothing in the grand scheme of things
Another Brexit lie.

Edited by DeltonaS on Saturday 25th June 19:03
All of this has been done before....and again and again and again and again..........

We pay 10Bn annually for the pleasure of the EU selling tons of stuff to us, much much more than we sell to them.

Jeebus toothy forcing Crisps......

How many years has this debate been going on........??????????

And it is still the same argument.


Another new thread - same old, same old...... "The needle returns to the start of the song and we all sign along like before...."


Does anyone have anything new??????

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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Candellara said:
I voted Leave (and bitterly regret it) but after all the lies that were sold to us, i'd now vote Remain
The people of the UK were not even given a vote, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in the first place.
At least the vote in 2016 was the first, and only vote the people of the UK were ever given, on whether or not they wanted the UK to remain a member of the EU, and they voted by over one million more votes to leave the EU.

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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DeltonaS said:
Biggy Stardust said:
I'm sure our money would be most welcome.
O dear, after all these years you still don't get it.

The benefit of the EU is the EU; the biggest free trade area in the world, the largest economy in the world.

With or without English flag wavers.

The UK net contributor part (only about 10bn Euro), means nothing in the grand scheme of things
Another Brexit lie.

Edited by DeltonaS on Saturday 25th June 19:03
The UK ran a 90+ billion pounds a year trade deficit with the EU, for all but one of the years it was a member of the EU, whilst being the second greatest net contributor of funds into the EU`s coffers after Germany.
if the UK contributions mean nothing to the EU, Then the UK leaving or staying should have no consequences for either party.
The EU however still have numerous basket case economies they have to keep paying billions to, in the form of repeated financial bail outs, so it will be interesting to see how long they can carry on doing that now that its second greatest net contributor of funds has left.

Ivan stewart

2,792 posts

35 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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DeltonaS said:
O dear, after all these years you still don't get it.



The UK net contributor part (only about 10bn Euro), means nothing in the grand scheme of things


Edited by DeltonaS on Saturday 25th June 19:03
Yes quite !! Well the EU has a loose relationship with finances, like when were the accounts last audited ??

roger.mellie

4,640 posts

51 months

Saturday 25th June 2022
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I know it wasn’t intended but the title of this thread betrays a bit of an arrogant or narrow sighted viewpoint. It wouldn’t matter if the uk voted back in. The EU would have to agree, and they wouldn’t. If you were the EU would you let the UK in given their current track record on agreements or the state of the current Tory party? Not a chance.

The UK money would be most welcome but not with the baggage that comes with it. There is no chance of the EU welcoming the UK back with open arms. The bed has been made. I’m a flipping Remainer and I have no notions of rejoin any time soon, the ones that seem to bang on about it most are leavers seeing demons in every shadow.

Jenny, there’s nothing wrong with a trade deficit as you likely know. It has been government policy. It could even be argued (no idea on the veracity) that it’s indicative of the UK making good use of outsourcing certain things as long as they’re producing value add on top. The UK sells a lot more in services back. Whether the reliance on Uk dominance by sheer mass rather than negotiating protection into the deal holds out, I’ve no idea on that and would be interested in some thoughts from some now that we’re a few years down the line.

lord summerisle

8,138 posts

224 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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Ivan stewart said:
DeltonaS said:
O dear, after all these years you still don't get it.



The UK net contributor part (only about 10bn Euro), means nothing in the grand scheme of things


Edited by DeltonaS on Saturday 25th June 19:03
Yes quite !! Well the EU has a loose relationship with finances, like when were the accounts last audited ??
Every year since 1995.

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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roger.mellie said:
I know it wasn’t intended but the title of this thread betrays a bit of an arrogant or narrow sighted viewpoint. It wouldn’t matter if the uk voted back in. The EU would have to agree, and they wouldn’t. If you were the EU would you let the UK in given their current track record on agreements or the state of the current Tory party? Not a chance.

The UK money would be most welcome but not with the baggage that comes with it. There is no chance of the EU welcoming the UK back with open arms. The bed has been made. I’m a flipping Remainer and I have no notions of rejoin any time soon, the ones that seem to bang on about it most are leavers seeing demons in every shadow.

Jenny, there’s nothing wrong with a trade deficit as you likely know. It has been government policy. It could even be argued (no idea on the veracity) that it’s indicative of the UK making good use of outsourcing certain things as long as they’re producing value add on top. The UK sells a lot more in services back. Whether the reliance on Uk dominance by sheer mass rather than negotiating protection into the deal holds out, I’ve no idea on that and would be interested in some thoughts from some now that we’re a few years down the line.
No one in the UK voted, or was even given the chance to vote on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU. When they were `finally' given their first and only chance to vote on the matter in 2016, they voted with a majority of over one million to leave.
It was many years, before people in the EU even knew what being in the EU would mean for them.
It will be ten years at least, before anyone can make any objective, and meaningful observations on whether leaving or staying was good or bad for the UK.

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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Previous said:
It needs investment to create a shipping hub, tax reform, opening of borders to skilled labour, labour reform, etc etc etc.
In fact the government is issuing lots of skilled worker VISAs

gov said:
There were 277,069 work-related visas granted in the year ending March 2022 (including dependants). This was a 129% increase on the year ending March 2021 and is 50% higher than in the year ending March 2020.

Skilled work, which accounts for 66% of work-related visas granted, saw the largest growth in visa numbers from the year ending March 2020 and increased by 72,208 or 66%. High value, Skilled worker, Temporary worker and Other work visas and exemptions routes all rose compared to the previous year. These increases will in part reflect a recovery from the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, but Skilled work and Temporary work visas are also now substantially higher than the pre-COVID 19 level in 2019.

There were 73,400 grants to Skilled worker visas and 75,963 grants to Skilled worker Health & Care visas. Combined, these account for 54% of all work visas.

‘Seasonal Workers’ made up over half (53%) of all Temporary work grants, and saw a large increase, up from 10,656 in the previous year to 32,005 (+200%). This route came into effect in Q1 2019, and the growth in this route reflect the quota increases for the Seasonal Worker visa, which increased from 2,500 in 2019 to a current quota of 30,000 visas in 2022.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-statistics-year-ending-march-2022/summary-of-latest-statistics

Businesses who could once find ample unskilled labour for minimum wage jobs might well be complaining but there is a route for skilled workers that has been expanded post Brexit.

roger.mellie

4,640 posts

51 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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Pan Pan Pan said:
No one in the UK voted, or was even given the chance to vote on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU. When they were `finally' given their first and only chance to vote on the matter in 2016, they voted with a majority of over one million to leave.
It was many years, before people in the EU even knew what being in the EU would mean for them.
It will be ten years at least, before anyone can make any objective, and meaningful observations on whether leaving or staying was good or bad for the UK.
That’s what I like to refer to as the “turd flush” argument pee, I’d give it twenty minutes before I’d go in there. I disagree on the ten years point. It’s eight years since the referendum, it’s three years since the withdrawal agreement. It is only 1.5 since the TCA. But in that time what have the UK government done to make you believe that they’ll make a good use of brexit? Seems to me it was mostly about getting votes and as long as they can keep splitting the popular vote along brexit lines they’ll be happy to do so in the knowledge that they won’t have to demonstrate benefits when it’s a them against us game (I’m from NI, I know this game very well).

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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roger.mellie said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No one in the UK voted, or was even given the chance to vote on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU. When they were `finally' given their first and only chance to vote on the matter in 2016, they voted with a majority of over one million to leave.
It was many years, before people in the EU even knew what being in the EU would mean for them.
It will be ten years at least, before anyone can make any objective, and meaningful observations on whether leaving or staying was good or bad for the UK.
That’s what I like to refer to as the “turd flush” argument pee, I’d give it twenty minutes before I’d go in there. I disagree on the ten years point. It’s eight years since the referendum, it’s three years since the withdrawal agreement. It is only 1.5 since the TCA. But in that time what have the UK government done to make you believe that they’ll make a good use of brexit? Seems to me it was mostly about getting votes and as long as they can keep splitting the popular vote along brexit lines they’ll be happy to do so in the knowledge that they won’t have to demonstrate benefits when it’s a them against us game (I’m from NI, I know this game very well).
We had 40 plus years in the EU, and when given their first, and only vote on the matter of the UK`s EU membership (with over 40 years of actual experience of being in the EU) the people of the UK voted with a majority of over one million to leave. That is the only `objective' position we currently have on the UKs membership of the EU at present.
Anything else, is just precipitate, biased speculation, by those with an axe (and teeth) to grind over what `actually' happened.

Abdul Abulbul Amir

13,179 posts

211 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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You can ignore the first three years ater the referendum until the MPs that were not representative of their constituents' view were removed. First thing Boris should have done was repeal the Benn act.

roger.mellie

4,640 posts

51 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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Pan Pan Pan said:
We had 40 plus years in the EU, and when given their first, and only vote on the matter of the UK`s EU membership (with over 40 years of actual experience of being in the EU) the people of the UK voted with a majority of over one million to leave. That is the only `objective' position we currently have on the UKs membership of the EU at present.
Anything else, is just precipitate, biased speculation, by those with an axe (and teeth) to grind over what `actually' happened.
You’re demonstrating my viewpoint. Talk of 40 years ago (irrelevant to just about anything) and talk of current mandate vs a fear of a rejoin vote demonstrates that the main ones that really don’t want to move on from the leave vote are brexiters. Your leave vote is not under threat, you just like to think it is as it avoids addressing why brexit has failed to deliver on its promises.

This thread is a distraction that benefits leavers more than remainers as it offers the notion that brexit is still a battle rather than now you’ve got it what are you going to do with it being the question. Seems many would prefer grrr remainers rather than offer improvements.

roger.mellie

4,640 posts

51 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
You can ignore the first three years ater the referendum until the MPs that were not representative of their constituents' view were removed. First thing Boris should have done was repeal the Benn act.
To what end? What would it have achieved differently?

Abdul Abulbul Amir

13,179 posts

211 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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roger.mellie said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
You can ignore the first three years ater the referendum until the MPs that were not representative of their constituents' view were removed. First thing Boris should have done was repeal the Benn act.
To what end? What would it have achieved differently?
Who knows.....the MPs and others trying to block brexit most likely made the exit harder and certainly caused the NIP issues.


Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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roger.mellie said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
We had 40 plus years in the EU, and when given their first, and only vote on the matter of the UK`s EU membership (with over 40 years of actual experience of being in the EU) the people of the UK voted with a majority of over one million to leave. That is the only `objective' position we currently have on the UKs membership of the EU at present.
Anything else, is just precipitate, biased speculation, by those with an axe (and teeth) to grind over what `actually' happened.
You’re demonstrating my viewpoint. Talk of 40 years ago (irrelevant to just about anything) and talk of current mandate vs a fear of a rejoin vote demonstrates that the main ones that really don’t want to move on from the leave vote are brexiters. Your leave vote is not under threat, you just like to think it is as it avoids addressing why brexit has failed to deliver on its promises.

This thread is a distraction that benefits leavers more than remainers as it offers the notion that brexit is still a battle rather than now you’ve got it what are you going to do with it being the question. Seems many would prefer grrr remainers rather than offer improvements.
Brexit has NOT failed to deliver on its promises. it is far too early to make that claim, especially as Johnson has not even fully delivered on his promise to get the UK fully out of the EU.
But we `have' seen numerous remainer attempts, to try to thwart, overturn, or otherwise ignore the results of the `democratic' vote of 2016, which is why many remainers cannot be trusted in matters of democracy.
Many remainers it seems, only want to abide by `democracy' when democracy gives the results `they' wanted, which is why they are not trusted, regardless of what they say.

roger.mellie

4,640 posts

51 months

Sunday 26th June 2022
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For fk sake pee, you've made me get the laptop out as I can't be arsed quote posting on the iPad. That's tantamount to work (it's the work laptop).

Pan Pan Pan said:
Brexit has NOT failed to deliver on its promises. it is far too early to make that claim, especially as Johnson has not even fully delivered on his promise to get the UK fully out of the EU.
Which is it?

Pan Pan Pan said:
But we `have' seen numerous remainer attempts, to try to thwart, overturn, or otherwise ignore the results of the `democratic' vote of 2016, which is why many remainers cannot be trusted in matters of democracy.
Authoritarian ste. Someone's opinion on the referendum is not a measure on the relevancy of their opinion.

I get more than a little annoyed when I see wkers thinking politican's views on brexit or lockdown or whatever single issue pet policy they have are the most important criteria for candidate selection. Sensible people realise that people have a range of opinions, only s want to shout down the contrarian ones.

Pan Pan Pan said:
Many remainers it seems, only want to abide by `democracy' when democracy gives the results `they' wanted, which is why they are not trusted, regardless of what they say.
Get a fking life. I'm a remainer. I'm happy to abide by democracy and I don't put it in quotes. I accept majority opinion, I don't accept tyranny of the majority meaning I can't have a contrarian view. You seem to have a problem with the latter.

A lot of this boils down to that if brexit could stand on its merits it wouldn't have to look for demons among the dissenters. If I could type in a Darth Vader voice I'd be saying that your rage against dissent is a weakness, join the dark (remainer) side, lol.