How About Another EU Referendum?

[Abdul Abulbul Amir]

Lotobear said:

Abdul Abulbul Amir said:

Magnum 475 said:

Abdul Abulbul Amir said:

Agreed, and I call out the Remainer led revision of the last few years of parliamentary history when they complain about the current status of the UK-EU relationship when their actions after the referendum results directly led to it.

No. Please don't blame those who didn't want Brexit for the consequences of Brexit. You voted for it you, and you got what you voted for. It's not the fault of those who didn't want it, it's not the fault of the EU.

It is the fault of those who campaigned based on lies (Improved fishing industry, Turkey joining the EU and mass immigration etc). It is, to a lesser degree, the fault of those who voted for it.

You voted leave. You got what you voted for.

I can put blame on who is responsible. If you think that the actions of the anti-brexit MPs that tried to reverse and then undermine the goverment's negotiation strategy had no impact then you are wrong.

I will admit that I thought, naively with hindsight, that after the result came in the country and parliament would respect the result of a democratic vote and work in the best interests of the country in implementing that result.. This didn't happen...instead we had groups of MPs travelling to Brussels having secret meetings. LDs wanted to override it and the Labour party gave no input, no policy and blocked everything regardless.

As for the EU, there was no good faith negotiation from them but that was to be expected. Especially with their use of the GFA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw0RyfeWAK8

Never seen that, the utter s!

Quite, and remember this was the time that they wanted the Ireland issue dealt with before commencing trade negotiations.....but used the strategy of never agreeing on anything. Ireland were useful patsies that were happy to be the lap dog and the EU disgustingly used the GFA to further their own ends. They can't complain if the UK doesn't follow the NIP.

[Pan Pan Pan]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Magnum 475 said:

No. Please don't blame those who didn't want Brexit for the consequences of Brexit. You voted for it you, and you got what you voted for. It's not the fault of those who didn't want it, it's not the fault of the EU.

It is the fault of those who campaigned based on lies (Improved fishing industry, Turkey joining the EU and mass immigration etc). It is, to a lesser degree, the fault of those who voted for it.

You voted leave. You got what you voted for.

Don't waste your time mate. It'll never ever be the fault of Brexiteers. These arrogant pricks could never face up to that. It'll always be someone else's fault....remainers, remoaners, Covid, Putin, the EU. Anyone but the morons who voted for it and the liars they were conned by.

It's easier to fool someone than to get them to admit they've been fooled.

At least the people of the UK got the first, and only vote they had ever been given, on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in 2016.
If the UK had been taken out of the EU, the same way it was taken into it, The wailing and gnashing of teeth, of the remainers would have been deafening.

[Jeanboi]

I voted to leave.
I'd do the same again if we were forced to endure that another time.
But I'd rather democracy was respected.

[Mrr T]

Abdul Abulbul Amir said:

Lotobear said:

Abdul Abulbul Amir said:

Magnum 475 said:

Abdul Abulbul Amir said:

Agreed, and I call out the Remainer led revision of the last few years of parliamentary history when they complain about the current status of the UK-EU relationship when their actions after the referendum results directly led to it.

No. Please don't blame those who didn't want Brexit for the consequences of Brexit. You voted for it you, and you got what you voted for. It's not the fault of those who didn't want it, it's not the fault of the EU.

It is the fault of those who campaigned based on lies (Improved fishing industry, Turkey joining the EU and mass immigration etc). It is, to a lesser degree, the fault of those who voted for it.

You voted leave. You got what you voted for.

I can put blame on who is responsible. If you think that the actions of the anti-brexit MPs that tried to reverse and then undermine the goverment's negotiation strategy had no impact then you are wrong.

I will admit that I thought, naively with hindsight, that after the result came in the country and parliament would respect the result of a democratic vote and work in the best interests of the country in implementing that result.. This didn't happen...instead we had groups of MPs travelling to Brussels having secret meetings. LDs wanted to override it and the Labour party gave no input, no policy and blocked everything regardless.

As for the EU, there was no good faith negotiation from them but that was to be expected. Especially with their use of the GFA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw0RyfeWAK8

Never seen that, the utter s!

Quite, and remember this was the time that they wanted the Ireland issue dealt with before commencing trade negotiations.....but used the strategy of never agreeing on anything. Ireland were useful patsies that were happy to be the lap dog and the EU disgustingly used the GFA to further their own ends. They can't complain if the UK doesn't follow the NIP.

How unusual a collection of brexiters blaming remainers for the UK not getting the deal of all deals they clearly feel the EU should have given the UK.

After all we know the EU needed us more than we needed them.

[StevieBee]

Jeanboi said:

But I'd rather democracy was respected.

I'd agree with this, normally.

However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.

[Jeanboi]

StevieBee said:

Jeanboi said:

But I'd rather democracy was respected.

I'd agree with this, normally.

However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.

I was under no illusion we'd be off to Barbados, but nor have we arrived somewhere sub par either.

[Abdul Abulbul Amir]

Jeanboi said:

StevieBee said:

Jeanboi said:

But I'd rather democracy was respected.

I'd agree with this, normally.

However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.

I was under no illusion we'd be off to Barbados, but nor have we arrived somewhere sub par either.

Bognor is quite appealing when you're in Baghdad.

[frisbee]

Mrr T said:

How unusual a collection of brexiters blaming remainers for the UK not getting the deal of all deals they clearly feel the EU should have given the UK.

After all we know the EU needed us more than we needed them.

Taking back control!

Lazy whining bunch of sts.

[markymarkthree]

"Absolutely not" is a clear winner, might as well close the vote now.

[Jeanboi]

markymarkthree said:

"Absolutely not" is a clear winner, might as well close the vote now.

It sure is but some just won't accept that!

[Abdul Abulbul Amir]

Jeanboi said:

markymarkthree said:

"Absolutely not" is a clear winner, might as well close the vote now.

It sure is but some just won't accept that!

Maybe have a confirmation poll as people obviously didnt know what they voted for...

[markymarkthree]

Abdul Abulbul Amir said:

Jeanboi said:

markymarkthree said:

"Absolutely not" is a clear winner, might as well close the vote now.

It sure is but some just won't accept that!

Maybe have a confirmation poll as people obviously didnt know what they voted for...

I don't think remainer tear ducts could cope with another vote.

[roger.mellie]

markymarkthree said:

I don't think remainer tear ducts could cope with another vote.

And leaver effluent blockages wouldn't be questioned if it was all going great and leavers wouldn't feel the need to be on the defensive. aholes don't have tear ducts.

[StevieBee]

Jeanboi said:

StevieBee said:

Jeanboi said:

But I'd rather democracy was respected.

I'd agree with this, normally.

However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.

I was under no illusion we'd be off to Barbados, but nor have we arrived somewhere sub par either.

Weren't you? To keep the analogy going, are you saying that you voted to go on holiday but had no idea where you'd actually end up?

[Murph7355]

roger.mellie said:

And leaver effluent blockages wouldn't be questioned if it was all going great and leavers wouldn't feel the need to be on the defensive. aholes don't have tear ducts.

I'm interested to know what you expect when threads like this are started?

Do you expect people with opposing views simply to not bother replying to these threads?

They all end up the same way. But I'm not sure that replies by those who are less pro-EU are any more "defensive" as those starting them are.

The whole situation is very interesting from a social perspective. I don't see how the "debate" will ever be resolved.

[roger.mellie]

Murph7355 said:

I'm interested to know what you expect when threads like this are started?

Do you expect people with opposing views simply to not bother replying to these threads?

They all end up the same way. But I'm not sure that replies by those who are less pro-EU are any more "defensive" as those starting them are.

The whole situation is very interesting from a social perspective. I don't see how the "debate" will ever be resolved.

Normal approach when seeing an EU thread is think yet another, yawn, I'll ignore it, then be unable to resist doing a drive-by post offering my opinion when replying on some other thread. The other thread will have my main point of contribution and these EU brexity ones are just for fun these days. But then realise I'm getting sucked into a conversation I've already had and start looking for an exit. It's why you won't get a long form post from me even though I respect the opinions of yourself and others.

I never expect agreement or look for friends and I can make some very good arguments on why it should never be expected without thinking any less of those who disagree with me. I don't mind poking a wasp's nest though, it may not be the best survival trait but I can run away much faster than most.

It is interesting from a social perspective but only a little. Do you know any/many who are politically engaged in real life? I know a few but not many. But most people don't care and it should always be remembered when debating on here that we're not that representative of most.

[Ivan stewart]

StevieBee said:

Jeanboi said:

StevieBee said:

Jeanboi said:

But I'd rather democracy was respected.

I'd agree with this, normally.

However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.

I was under no illusion we'd be off to Barbados, but nor have we arrived somewhere sub par either.

Weren't you? To keep the analogy going, are you saying that you voted to go on holiday but had no idea where you'd actually end up?

We now have a choice where we end up ,
We don’t need get permission or to follow other people’s rules

Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 28th June 07:46

[Oilchange]

The vote was remain or leave, it was quite clear. At least to me.

What they argued about in the interim is frankly nonsense as, just as in local and national elections, they make up a load of twaddle and lies on both sides to support their arguments and sway the odd voter. Well at least some of them do, it’s filtering the chaff from the wheat that’s the problem but if you stick to the premise of the vote and go with your gut, as I did, then anything about reasons is moot in my opinion.
It’s too easy to use the chaff as a reason for the vote going the wrong way but then I think general elections, cup matches and grand prix seasons have gone the wrong way and I’ve just sucked them up.

[roger.mellie]

Ivan stewart said:

We now have a choice where we end up ,
We don’t need get permission or to follow other people’s rules

Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 28th June 07:46

Balls.

A big myth about brexit is the one that the UK can make its own rules independently of others.

More than ever it's now a rule taker rather than a rule maker.

Yes it can consider moving back to pounds and ounces, the rest of the world will not use those measures when dealing with the UK so it has the freedom to make life harder for itself. Petty example but demonstrative nonetheless of the level of thinking among some.

I'm not a complete cynic when it comes to there being some advantages leaving the EU but some absolute bullst is talked about it too.

[Ouroboros]

EU army and other b's would always make me want out
Trade deals and economics, but too much interference on laws and trade, the EU is just too big.